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No, not going to bench Brunell.......

:banghead:

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our d fense is pedestrian at best we suck that is the whole problem right there like it or not brunell haters.....

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Duh.

Double duh.

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There is always next year.
But then next year will be next year with Cambell starting and learning the offense since he wont play this year. Then there will be next year.

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[quote=Skins fan 44;229733]There is always next year.
But then next year will be next year with Cambell starting and learning the offense since he wont play this year. Then there will be next year.[/quote]

And after that we'll have the 2012 season to get excited about.....:(

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Was anyone realistically expecting Brunell to be benched?

If we lose to the Colts, then I think it might become a possibility.

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[QUOTE=RedskinRat;229736]And after that we'll have the 2012 season to get excited about.....:([/QUOTE]

MAYBE

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I would like to thank the Redskins' organization for destroying any kind of hope for a good NFL team. The best coaches and players money can buy........ Yeah right what a freaking joke!!!!!!! You guys suck balls!!!!!!

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[quote=Mattyk72;229749]Was anyone realistically expecting Brunell to be benched?

If we lose to the Colts, then I think it might become a possibility.[/quote]
Who would give a damn who we start if we lose to the colts.... fuck playing for pride ..And everybody should be accountable and including GIBBS

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[quote=Mattyk72;229749]Was anyone realistically expecting Brunell to be benched?

If we lose to the Colts, then I think it might become a possibility.[/quote]

finally someone with brains. this is exactly how its going down. brunell gets the start against the colts....and depending on the outcome i think you see campbell under center after the bye.

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[quote=GTripp0012;229729]Duh.

Double duh.[/quote]
definitly double duh

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I will pay to see Gibbs football as long as he shall live and grace us with his presence in DC. I still have faith in Gibbs. Hall hits FG at home vs Vikes or etc different attitude here. In this day and age people are quick to jump to conclusions and consequences. We should remember that consistancy is the answer.

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[QUOTE=Mattyk72;229749]Was anyone realistically expecting Brunell to be benched?

If we lose to the Colts, then I think it might become a possibility.[/QUOTE]

There is no if we lose. We will lose. And I have never verbally predicted a loss, but the Colts ain't the Jaguars. They are coming off of a bye week and will fire it up in the air. Jason Campbell starts against Dallas. We pound the ball on the ground and win with Portis, Betts and Duckett.

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well you never know. hopefully we just pull out the win. i'd love to see us at 3-4 going into a bye and maybe 4-4 after we have 2 wks to prepare for dallas at home.

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[quote=Luxorreb;230245]I will pay to see Gibbs football as long as he shall live and grace us with his presence in DC. I still have faith in Gibbs. Hall hits FG at home vs Vikes or etc different attitude here. In this day and age people are quick to jump to conclusions and consequences. We should remember that consistancy is the answer.[/quote]

I agree that we really are lucky to have Joe Gibbs as coach for as long as he desires. Gibbs' run from 1981-92 is something for which I will be forever grateful and probably never will experience again.

But the irony in your post is that Gibbs and the coaches made the decision to start the season with the oft-injured, never-healed John Hall as our placekicker. Hall never should have been our PK this season.

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[quote=SUNRA;230252]There is no if we lose. We will lose. And I have never verbally predicted a loss, but the Colts ain't the Jaguars. They are coming off of a bye week and will fire it up in the air. Jason Campbell starts against Dallas. We pound the ball on the ground and win with Portis, Betts and Duckett.[/quote]

After seeing the Cards take the Bears to the brink last night, anything is possible. The Colts aren't exactly steamrolling anyone. IF we pound the ball, and that's a big if, we can win this game.

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[quote=Mattyk72;230286]After seeing the Cards take the Bears to the brink last night, anything is possible. The Colts aren't exactly steamrolling anyone. IF we pound the ball, and that's a big if, we can win this game.[/quote]

Yes, but the Cards were smart enough to bench their washed-up veteran QB and start the youngster ; )

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Brunell doesn't have fumbilitis, and is actually executing...might not be great, but definitely better than Warner was. Plus, you have to assume that Leinart was taking a good amount of snaps in practice for that move to happen. Al Saunders has come out and said backups get no snaps with the first team offense.

But that's besides the point. With the bye week coming up, no coach in their right mind would make a switch now. If the Colts win, look for it to open up between Collins and Campbell. If Brunell gets the win, I don't see a change made during the bye week.

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[quote=Twilbert07;230304]Yes, but the Cards were smart enough to bench their washed-up veteran QB and start the youngster ; )[/quote]

True, but Warner was losing games for them with all of his fumbling.

Brunell isn't winning games for us, but he's not fumbling them away either.

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[quote=Mattyk72;230286]After seeing the Cards take the Bears to the brink last night, anything is possible. The Colts aren't exactly steamrolling anyone. IF we pound the ball, and that's a big if, we can win this game.[/quote]

Thus the phrase "That is why they play the game!"

Some great and loyal fans around here giving up on the season already. Probably were on here last year in week 12 when we were 5-6 talking all this same trash. It ain't over 'til it's over.

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we're only 2 games out of 1st w/9 nfc games to go! don't be surprised if brunell starts even if we lose at indy, but i feel a win for real.

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[quote=freddyg12;230318]we're only 2 games out of 1st w/9 nfc games to go! don't be surprised if brunell starts even if we lose at indy, but i feel a win for real.[/quote]

Exactly...Everybody knew this division would be a battle down to the wire. Everyone has been saying that since February. Someone has to be in last place at this point. Unfortunately it is the Redskins, but there is a lot of football left to play including three home division games. Let's not lose faith just yet. A win going into the buy would give us the much needed momentum going into FedEx to face off with the Cowgirls. We can do this!

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[quote=Mattyk72;230313]True, but Warner was losing games for them with all of his fumbling.

Brunell isn't winning games for us, but he's not fumbling them away either.[/quote]

I don't understand why there's a distinction between losing games through inaction, and losing them from fumbling. A loss is a loss, and if the key player isn't making the key plays, a change needs to be made. And it wouldn't make sense to pull Brunell before the bye, but Gibbs is talking like benching him is out of the question.

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[quote=Mattyk72;230313]True, but Warner was losing games for them with all of his fumbling.

Brunell isn't winning games for us, but he's not fumbling them away either.[/quote]

I agree; there's no real comparison to make here. Warner did lose games for the Cards.

Listening to Joe T. in the booth last night, I recalled how he played with fire and loved to beat the Cowboys. I hope whoever our next starter is plays with fire.

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[quote=Southpaw;230321]I don't understand why there's a distinction between losing games through inaction, and losing them from fumbling. A loss is a loss, and if the key player isn't making the key plays, a change needs to be made. And it wouldn't make sense to pull Brunell before the bye, but Gibbs is talking like benching him is out of the question.[/quote]

At this point I think it is out of the question. As long as we are still mathematically alive in the playoff race, Mark Brunell gives this team the best chance to win. He can't do it alone though.

The team needs to start clicking on both sides of the ball and Teams, and the coaches need to get back to what works for this team...run the ball to set up the pass, manage the clock, and keep the opposing offense off the field.

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[quote=4mrusmc;229832]I would like to thank the Redskins' organization for destroying any kind of hope for a good NFL team. The best coaches and players money can buy........ Yeah right what a freaking joke!!!!!!! You guys suck balls!!!!!![/quote]
Great post you bring so much football analogy to this site.

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[QUOTE=Twilbert07;230304]Yes, but the Cards were smart enough to bench their washed-up veteran QB and start the youngster ; )[/QUOTE]

The Cardinals were also playing on a serious emotional high last night. First Monday night game in years, in a new stadium.

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Some change has to be made though. Not firing a coach, and maybe not benching Brunell YET. But something to light a fire under these guys because obviously Gibbs' pep talks arent doing it. Spring said soft wasnt the word for it when describing the teams play. Bench some poorly playing starter, just for the sake of getting these guys scared for their job. The Ravens are 4-2 and are firing their O-Coor Fassel today. We are 2-4 with 1 million question marks and we are going to do nothing. Again, I am not saying to fire anyone.

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[quote=TAFKAS;230331]The Cardinals were also playing on a serious emotional high last night. First Monday night game in years, in a new stadium.[/quote]
You're right; the Cardinals' fan definitely were into the game last night. If our fans at FedEx had stayed fired up for all four quarters on Sunday, it might have inspired our players.

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[quote=Chief X_Phackter;230320]Exactly...Everybody knew this division would be a battle down to the wire. Everyone has been saying that since February. Someone has to be in last place at this point. Unfortunately it is the Redskins, but there is a lot of football left to play including three home division games. Let's not lose faith just yet. A win going into the buy would give us the much needed momentum going into FedEx to face off with the Cowgirls. We can do this![/quote]

yes, and hopefully the injury bug will be minimal late in the yr. Gibbs teams always play well in dec., plus other nfc east teams will have problems, e.g. TO, coughlin's g-men wearing down

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What Leinart did was provide a spark to his team. The Cardinals aren't that good, but Leinart provided a spark, something our team is missing with MB under center. Once again, I find myself hoping for just the slightest injury, nothing serious, but maybe an ankle sprain. When Brunnell was taken back for x-rays, I actually pepped up thinking maybe Collins could come in and save the day....damn speedy golf carts at FedEx! The season will be lost before Gibbs benches MB.

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[quote=Southpaw;230321]I don't understand why there's a distinction between losing games through inaction, and losing them from fumbling. A loss is a loss, and if the key player isn't making the key plays, a change needs to be made. And it wouldn't make sense to pull Brunell before the bye, but Gibbs is talking like benching him is out of the question.[/quote]

It's pretty easy to make the distinction actually. Warner was directly contributing to the Cards losing with his turnovers. Right now Brunell isn't doing much to help win a game, but he's not the ultimate reason for the offensive struggles, despite what the narrow minded pundits want to say.

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[quote=Mattyk72;230353]It's pretty easy to make the distinction actually. Warner was directly contributing to the Cards losing with his turnovers. Right now Brunell isn't doing much to help win a game, but he's not the ultimate reason for the offensive struggles, despite what the narrow minded pundits want to say.[/quote]

I agree with that, MB isn't the only reason we're losing but he is one of the big reasons, along with a D that can't stop anybody.

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[QUOTE=paulskinsfan;230357]I agree with that, MB isn't the only reason we're losing but he is one of the big reasons, along with a D that can't stop anybody.[/QUOTE]

You forgot about the nothing "special" teams!

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JUst as a side not JC preseason numbers:
Pass at: 51
Pass Comp: 26
TD's: 0
Intercep: 2
Tot Passing yrds:270
Average per attempt:5.29
Average per completion: 10.38
Maybe theres a reason JC is not the starter at this time. I know it was preseason playing against alot of 3rd stringers and we where playing 3rd stringers. I do agree JC needs time in a game but its just too early in the season for him and we don't even know what they see in him at pratice. He was not even warming up whe brunell got hurt.

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[QUOTE=Mattyk72;230353]It's pretty easy to make the distinction actually. Warner was directly contributing to the Cards losing with his turnovers. Right now Brunell isn't doing much to help win a game, but he's not the ultimate reason for the offensive struggles, despite what the narrow minded pundits want to say.[/QUOTE]

This is precisely why we need to make a change now. You're either part of the problem or part of the solution, and we need production from the qb spot. The skill positions seem to be set, or at least we're locked in with our receivers and backs.

Brunell isn't the ultimate reason for the offensive struggles, but he's very high on a very short list. Cooley has disappeared, which may be why teams play so much Cover 2 on us. We've got no answers, other than a mobile qb who could keep some of these plays alive. Put me in the Campbell corner, he's going to play so why not today?

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Jason Campbell can thank his lucky stars to have been drafted by the Redskins under Joe Gibbs' leadership. Campbell has played in six different systems in six years, and he is now in the most complex by far, one that Mark Brunell with all his experience has not mastered yet. Gibbs will keep Campbell in a learning mode so that when he comes in, he will succeed.

If you put Campbell in now, you risk destroying his tree of confidence with all the tree boring worms that fans will pour onto him in the thousands when he fails to play with extraordinary effectiveness. Right now Campbell's confidence tree needs to get stronger and taller before he is ready to go.

I am amazed with the grace that Mark Brunell holds up under the antipathy sent at him. Even an experience player like him is going to be effected by all that criticism and lack of support.

The fact is that just like fans can be the 12th man, they can also have the effect of making us play like we have only 9 or 10 men, by harming the players with all this scapegoating.

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[quote=firstdown;230365]JUst as a side not JC preseason numbers:
Pass at: 51
Pass Comp: 26
TD's: 0
Intercep: 2
Tot Passing yrds:270
Average per attempt:5.29
Average per completion: 10.38
Maybe theres a reason JC is not the starter at this time. I know it was preseason playing against alot of 3rd stringers and we where playing 3rd stringers. I do agree JC needs time in a game but its just too early in the season for him and we don't even know what they see in him at pratice. He was not even warming up whe brunell got hurt.[/quote]

Those numbers don't mean much to me, but the only reason Campbell was not warming up is that Collins will be finishing out games when Brunell gets injured during a game. Campbell will play if he has a week to prepare. And no time is better than after the Colts beat the sh** out of us this Sunday..........that will give Campbell 2 weeks to get prepared for a home game vs. Dallas. Start Campbell's career.........I don't think he'll take us to more wins, but I think its time for him to now learn on the field.

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No matter what I Love Joe Gibbs and he will always be my alltime favorite coach... and will always be greatful for all the thrills he has provided me....

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[quote=Oakland Red;230397]Jason Campbell can thank his lucky stars to have been drafted by the Redskins under Joe Gibbs' leadership. Campbell has played in six different systems in six years, and he is now in the most complex by far, one that Mark Brunell with all his experience has not mastered yet. Gibbs will keep Campbell in a learning mode so that when he comes in, he will succeed.

If you put Campbell in now, you risk destroying his tree of confidence with all the tree boring worms that fans will pour onto him in the thousands when he fails to play with extraordinary effectiveness. Right now Campbell's confidence tree needs to get stronger and taller before he is ready to go.

I am amazed with the grace that Mark Brunell holds up under the antipathy sent at him. Even an experience player like him is going to be effected by all that criticism and lack of support.

The fact is that just like fans can be the 12th man, they can also have the effect of making us play like we have only 9 or 10 men, by harming the players with all this scapegoating.[/quote]

right on, I thought the crowd was a factor sunday, in titans favor