Why Barack Obama in 2008!!
 

Something new and fresh, i like most of you are tired of the Bush-clinton swap. We need new blood in office that has not been corupted. If we have new face and a fresh start our country will thrive. We need a president that can unite the nation such as Ronal Regan did. I am a Regan-democrat, I like Ronnie alot but i do dislike Clinton and bush. We need a candidate that can make the right decisions not just for their party, but for the nation. Therefore I hope Barack Obama wins the election.

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I like Obama, but he has not declared candidacy yet.
I like Howard Dean because he speaks with anger and emotion, not like a stoic asshole like Kerry, or a dipshit like Bush...
I want somebody that is angry and wants to change this mofo'n country

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sadly this country is nowhere near ready to elect a minority president. it's not even remotely sure its ready for a women president.

too bad too, because my dream campaign would be Clinton/Powell

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[quote=illdefined;235615]sadly this country is nowhere near ready to elect a minority president. it's not even remotely sure its ready for a women president.

too bad too, because my dream campaign would be Clinton/Powell[/quote]
Don't be so sure.... One thing Obama doesn't have on his record is the "War" issue. There was a good article in the editorials of the Washington Post about him. ([url=http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/10/23/AR2006102301033.html]Why Not Obama? - washingtonpost.com[/url])

He doesn't have to say he was "misled" or that the administration tricked us. He doesn't have to think of an elaborate scheme to say why he voted this way or that.

So in a way he's got a major advantage over any competitors, because without a doubt, the number one issue will be the war again.

Also as far as foreign policy goes, alot of people think that something as subtle and insignificant as having a different pigmentation may symbolize to the world we are a different country. It's a hell of a stretch, and I'm not so sure I agree, but that's another point in the article.

I'm still endorsing McCain for now, but it's another interesting twist in what may prove to be a very unique upcoming election.

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well check the source, if only the whole country were like Washington, much less the Washington Post.

sadly i think we're a generation away from this country breaking the Rich White Men as president rut its stuck in. i was generally optimistic too once....but not only did the son of Bush get elected, he got RE-elected. cold hard reality.

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i thought you're not allowed to make political threads

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[quote=steveo395;235641]i thought you're not allowed to make political threads[/quote]

Kidwell I must applaud you, because this is by far the best thread you have made. That being said, your not allowed to make political threads, check out the guidelines bud.

And I also agree, I don't think much of America is ready for a Black president, which is sad really.

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You are if you're Admin or Mod......

Kid Well......Sorely needed Bye week.....The clues are all there.

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I dunno. This kidwell guy is from Colorado Springs. I don't think there is anyone on this board from there.

I think he truly is just a regular-Joe moron.

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I disagree that the country isn't ready for a minority president, whether the candidate be black or female...or whatever.

We all know that minorities, particularly the Hispanic population, are the fastest growing group within the United States. Issues like gay rights, a woman's right to choose, and the immagration (sp) issue are at the forefront of topics today. The reason these are important, I think, is that some may perceive a minority or a woman candidate as more 'in touch' with these issues, and more apt to approach them with the right mindset.

One thing's for sure, Obama has drawn huge crowds wherever he goes, unlike any other Democrat currently, Hillary included. His first book has been a hit, and his second one is it's way. And as far as raising money, from what I've read, he has the potential to be a cash raising machine. Now if there is any indication, key work indication, of how viable a candidate may be, his ability to raise money is vital.

There are so many things in his favor right now that, in my opinion, he absolute has to make a run at the White House. The chances of him being this hot again in his political career are slim to none.

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So basically what you're saying is that he's the anti-christ? Beguiling and charming the masses on his way to ultimate power? Thanks for the succinct warning, 12th!

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You heard it hear first, just remember that 724!

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obamas lack of experience is what bothers me, not the color of his skin. but it would be refreshing to hear more from someone other than the good, old rich boys network

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John McCain in '08. Exactly what we need: a moderate.

This country is way too polarized, there aren't enough people willing to meet in the middle. We need that more than anything these days.

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[QUOTE=Schneed10;235696]John McCain in '08. Exactly what we need: a moderate.

This country is way too polarized, there aren't enough people willing to meet in the middle. We need that more than anything these days.[/QUOTE]

i agree with the moderate thing, but man, i lost much of the respect i had for McCain when his republican masters made him change his original maverick tune a couple months ago. reminded me that he's just another politcian.

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[QUOTE=12thMan;235678]I disagree that the country isn't ready for a minority president, whether the candidate be black or female...or whatever.

We all know that minorities, particularly the Hispanic population, are the fastest growing group within the United States. Issues like gay rights, a woman's right to choose, and the immagration (sp) issue are at the forefront of topics today. The reason these are important, I think, is that some may perceive a minority or a woman candidate as more 'in touch' with these issues, and more apt to approach them with the right mindset.

One thing's for sure, Obama has drawn huge crowds wherever he goes, unlike any other Democrat currently, Hillary included. His first book has been a hit, and his second one is it's way. And as far as raising money, from what I've read, he has the potential to be a cash raising machine. Now if there is any indication, key work indication, of how viable a candidate may be, his ability to raise money is vital.

There are so many things in his favor right now that, in my opinion, he absolute has to make a run at the White House. The chances of him being this hot again in his political career are slim to none.[/QUOTE]

i hope you're right 12th, i really do. it would be nice to see, but i think the long embedded powers that be here have an influence in this country we can't really fathom.

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[quote=dmek25;235694]obamas lack of experience is what bothers me, not the color of his skin. but it would be refreshing to hear more from someone other than the good, old rich boys network[/quote]


....And it could very well be Obama's lack of experience that could play to his advantage if he campaigns effectively. The longer one stays in Washington (i.e. Senate), the more likely dirty politics will become attached to that individual. This, in my opinion, will be part of Obama's appeal as he moves further into, what I feel will be, a presidential candicy.

Look, there's no denying that this would be unprecedented by all stretches of the imagination. However, if you look at what this nation has gone through, starting with 9/11, we've seen a string of unprecented events, on the political front and otherwise.

I think what could very well end up happening is that both he and Hillary end up on the same ticket. One being nominated as the Pres. candidate and the other VP.

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[QUOTE=dmek25;235694]obamas lack of experience is what bothers me, not the color of his skin. but it would be refreshing to hear more from someone other than the good, old rich boys network[/QUOTE]

I'm sorry but what experience did Clinton or Bush have? What we need is independent individual with integrity and initiative. Sadly, everyone who goes to Washington turns into callous, corrupt and conceited coward.

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[QUOTE=illdefined;235699]i agree with the moderate thing, but man, i lost much of the respect i had for McCain when his republican masters made him change his original maverick tune a couple months ago. reminded me that he's just another politcian.[/QUOTE]


Self preservation is the name of the game. Like all politicians he toes the party line when put out to dry.

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sounds strangly simmilar to osama, maybe he is really osama and he wants to take over the usa!!!!!!

thats what i think and thats why i wont vot for him!

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[QUOTE=dall-assblows;235719]sounds strangly simmilar to osama, maybe he is really osama and he wants to take over the usa!!!!!!

thats what i think and thats why i wont vot for him![/QUOTE]

yikes. please try not to "vot" at all. :doh:

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sorry guys didn't know!!! i could say political stuff changed my address i am from manchester md

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[quote=illdefined;235735]yikes. please try not to "vot" at all. :doh:[/quote]

nnniiiccceeee!

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[quote=saden1;235709]I'm sorry but what experience did Clinton or Bush have? What we need is independent individual with integrity and initiative. Sadly, everyone who goes to Washington turns into callous, corrupt and conceited coward.[/quote]
you are talking about career politicians versus a 2-3 year senator. I'm not sure if understanding the way things work in Washington is a plus or minus. the second part of your statement i definitely agree with

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Yeah both Bush and Clinton were governors before the oval office, so did have their fair share of politics.

The problem with senators running for president is usually they have a long track record where one can find contradictions(Kerry). If I am not mistaken there has not been a president who was previously a senator in quite some time.

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It's not like Obama has only been in politics for two/three years. He has been a state politician since 1996. It's all a mute point though, DNC will do everything possible to make sure he doesn't get out of the primaries.

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[quote=hooskins;235857]Yeah both Bush and Clinton were governors before the oval office, so did have their fair share of politics.

The problem with senators running for president is usually they have a long track record where one can find contradictions(Kerry). If I am not mistaken there has not been a president who was previously a senator in quite some time.[/quote]


You're right, Hoo...the last Senator to ascend to the Presidency was JFK. Some from VP, but none straight from the Senate in years.

Many forget the George Jr. wasn't a Governor very long himself before being elected.

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[quote=12thMan;235885]You're right, Hoo...the last Senator to ascend to the Presidency was JFK. Some from VP, but none straight from the Senate in years.

Many forget the George Jr. wasn't a Governor very long himself before being elected.[/quote]

I was gonna say since JFK, but I was not sure, and didn't wanna sound like an idiot. I guess high school history paid off.

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obama may run as VP with Mark Warner or something, but i think Mark Warner is the most likely to win the democratic presidential ticket, which would be good. hed have a good shot at winning a historically red state in virginia, i think LBJ was the last democrat to win virginia

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[quote=Big C;235932]obama may run as VP with Mark Warner or something, but i think Mark Warner is the most likely to win the democratic presidential ticket, which would be good. hed have a good shot at winning a historically red state in virginia, i think LBJ was the last democrat to win virginia[/quote]

Ideally that would be great, but the problem with Warner is that he has almost no money compared to Hilary. Even though people may have their opinions about her, she is a figure that everyone knows, and she has alot of connections. I don't remember the figures, but she has collects tons more than any other Democratic Candidate.

Nowadays it really is all about money, more than the candidate. I mean back in the day the DNC heads would sit together and find the candidate with the best image, but doesn't really work like that anymore. I would love to see Warner run, because of southern roots, but I doubt he will make it.

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Mark Warner isn't hurting for money. He has a net worth of over $200 million I believe. Problem with Hilary is her lack of national appeal, I don't think she rates that well in middle america

Wish all political threads could stay civil, let's hope this one does.

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i seriously doubt warner gets the final bid. last i heard gore is still a leading candidate.

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[QUOTE=That Guy;235944]i seriously doubt warner gets the final bid. last i heard gore is still a leading candidate.[/QUOTE]

why do u doubt warner gets the final bid? gore isnt running

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Gore may jump in, especially as we closer and there is no clear cut nominee. Warner?....Don't know about him. Nationally I don't think a lot of people really know his story. Today's politics are vastly played out in the media and one's ability to raise money. Both Hillary and Obama have a leg up, in fact two legs up on the rest of the party in that regard.

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I thought Warner had said recently that he wasn't running for President in 2008. Anyone think John Edwards will make a go at it? And what do you all think of Pataki?

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And I feel all dirty responding to a thread that 0421kidwell started. So henceforth we're pretending that RobH4413 started this thread.

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[QUOTE=12thMan;236009]Gore may jump in, especially as we closer and there is no clear cut nominee. Warner?....Don't know about him. Nationally I don't think a lot of people really know his story. Today's politics are vastly played out in the media and one's ability to raise money. Both Hillary and Obama have a leg up, in fact two legs up on the rest of the party in that regard.[/QUOTE]

thats usually how it is, since warner is a governor, he isnt known nationally yet

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I think Edwards will jump back in it. As far as Warner, look at Arnold S., for instance, he's a Governor but he still has national appeal. Even if you don't live in the state of California, some have an opinion about his politics. The average joe living outside of the D.C. area don't know who Mark Warner is, much less his politics. Many people know George Pataki because he's Gov. of NY., and the events surrounding post 9/11. If you ask the average voter to name, let's say 3 to 5Governors across the country, they would probably start to struggle to name them after three.

Bush Jr. came in on the heels of dad's legacy. Reagan was well known before he got into politics. Even Jimmy Carter had an interesting story that gain him national appeal, he was known as the guy who owned a peanut plantation for crying out loud!!

All I'm saying is 'who you are' isn't everything, but it does go a very long way in the minds of voters until they can actually sort through the fray for themselves.

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[QUOTE=12thMan;236033]I think Edwards will jump back in it. As far as Warner, look at Arnold S., for instance, he's a governor, but he still has national appeal. Some like him, some don't. The average joe outside of the D.C. area doesn't know Mark Warner. Most know Pataki because he's Gov. of NY., and the attention post 9/11 has gotten. If you ask the average voter to name, let's say, 5
Governors, they would probably start to struggle to name them after three.

Bush came in on the heels of dad's legacy. Reagan was well known before he got into politics.

All I'm saying is 'who you are' isn't everything, but it does go a very long way in today's selection process.[/QUOTE]

What does that say about the average Joe? And the scary thing is that the average Joe votes.

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I'm as liberal as they get and I hate Hilary's guts. If she runs, I will vote for someone else.