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I just believe we just don't have the right players for this offense to work. CP is my favorite player on the team but he is just not as patient as he needs to be in order to make those running plays work. He just too fast for the blockers we have. I also believe that our o-line is not as good as Kansas City's. I have been watching the chiefs games all season long and other than the pittsburg game they have been moving the ball down the field with ease. I mean on paper we should be a lot better than them with the players we have and the offensiv coordinator. I think everything starts with the o-line. Of course I main problem is the qb play. I mean the chiefs have Damon Huard looking better then trent green this year. We just need a qb who can withstand the pass rush and complete the pass instead of throwing it away or taking a sack. If jason campbell is not the answer than maybe draft one in this year's draft or pick up green for a couple of years before he retires to lead us to the super bowl with the talent we have on this team. Huard will definitely be the qb for the chiefs next year and maybe the rest of the season as well. I'm sorry i just felt like releasing exactly what has been on my mind.

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[quote=Sean"Big Hurt"Taylor;235994]I just believe we just don't have the right players for this offense to work. CP is my favorite player on the team but he is just not as patient as he needs to be in order to make those running plays work. He just too fast for the blockers we have. I also believe that our o-line is not as good as Kansas City's. I have been watching the chiefs games all season long and other than the pittsburg game they have been moving the ball down the field with ease. I mean on paper we should be a lot better than them with the players we have and the offensiv coordinator. I think everything starts with the o-line. Of course I main problem is the qb play. I mean the chiefs have Damon Huard looking better then trent green this year. We just need a qb who can withstand the pass rush and complete the pass instead of throwing it away or taking a sack. If jason campbell is not the answer than maybe draft one in this year's draft or pick up green for a couple of years before he retires to lead us to the super bowl with the talent we have on this team. Huard will definitely be the qb for the chiefs next year and maybe the rest of the season as well. I'm sorry i just felt like releasing exactly what has been on my mind.[/quote]
Randy Thomas isn't having a year like last year IMO. Not sure if it's the play calling or not, but I can remember him last year leading the way on alot of those counter-tre type plays. I always loved watching him pull because he was so fast and explosive. It may just be my imagination. As I've mentioned before, I'm pretty ignorant when it comes to analyzing the o-line, but clearly they're struggling, as is most of the aspects of our team.

I think Jason Campbell is the answer, eventually. Remember our offense isn't horrible, It's just not where it needs to be. We need to be able to dictate what a defense has to do, not vice versa. Pretty basic stuff I'm saying here, but reality is were not far off on the "O" side of the ball. I think it was Matty in a post recently said something to the effect that he's exactly what we should have expected of him at this point. He wasn't suppose to come in and tear the roof off right away. We all need to relax, and not over-interpret his lack of play as lack of potential.

Defense is another story. There's so many variables and chaos theories of why we can't get it done, all with some serious validity. We may be worse off on defense than we think. Hopefully GW will turn things around in a hurry.

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Great lines make good backs look great and avg backs look good, obviously Gibbs never understood what he had in the hogs, he's under the impresion that all you need is a high profile back and your off and running, no back can run without good blocking, Clinton Portis coming out of college looked to be a very good change of pace and third down type of back, but he was put into a system that allowed for big gains running the ball where he could use his speed to really run up some serious numbers, but just like most of the backs that go through denver he is a little better than avg back. personally I think he hits the holes to slow, he's still trying to run as if he was in denver waiting for the cut back that never comes. Stephen Jackson [st louis] would have been a much better fit for our offense, not to say we couldn't win with CP, just that 52 mil could have been spent on other players to help with pass protection and opening holes to run through etc. Not that we are capable of evaluating talent regardless of how many picks we have or how much money we have under the cap, we are horrible at talent evaluation.

But if we had a clue of how to draft, how much talent do you think we could have right now without 2 contracts, Brunell and Portis's 94mil? Keep in mind we could have traded Bailey for picks rather than giving up a second rounder, as well as giving up a second rounder for Brunell.

I am not even going to go into the rest of the picks we have thrown away!

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Wasn't it a 3rd for Brunell? Either way, that's pretty presumptious I think to say that Gibbs has no appreciation for the value of a good offensive line

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Gibbs doesn't know the value of an o-line? Come on! That is very tough to justify. Is he too fond of MB, is he over the hill in terms of modern offense, is he too conservative, sure we can talk. BUt the man showed ALL YOU NEED to win is an oline. He made Rypien a super-bowl MVP, for crying out loud!

I think JC will help, and I agree that it's not a surpirse that the offense has been inconsistent. It's complex, and the system takes time to become second nature for these guys. WHen it does, this o-line, with these WRs and Portis, should be fine--IF JC ever plays!

And please leave Champ out of this! Portis holds the single season redskin running record--with the so-called lame o-line you just called out. Whatever.

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[QUOTE=JWsleep;236050]Gibbs doesn't know the value of an o-line? Come on! That is very tough to justify. Is he too fond of MB, is he over the hill in terms of modern offense, is he too conservative, sure we can talk. BUt the man showed ALL YOU NEED to win is an oline. He made Rypien a super-bowl MVP, for crying out loud!

I think JC will help, and I agree that it's not a surpirse that the offense has been inconsistent. It's complex, and the system takes time to become second nature for these guys. WHen it does, this o-line, with these WRs and Portis, should be fine--IF JC ever plays!

And please leave Champ out of this! Portis holds the single season redskin running record--with the so-called lame o-line you just called out. Whatever.[/QUOTE]


How many yards per carry? If you run a guy enough times he could eventually get 2000yds if he was capable of holding up. What's more important for an everydown running back, yds. per carry, or total yds? I say no question yds per carry, and if I am right about that then CP was the worst everydown back in the NFL that year, theres no getting around it. Just because Gibbs choose to run him into the ground to legitamize the signing is meaningless as far as I am concerned. And by the way Betts is averging more YDS per carry this year than Portis, and Betts comes in to get the tough yards.

No he didn't make SB MVP out of Rypien, our O-line did, the fact is Rypien wasen't anything to speak of before or after that year, and why? the O-line didn't allow anyone within 7 yards of him all year, we were on pace to set an NFL record for fewest sacks that year before the last game against the eagles. Did Gibbs take advantage of that? Absolutly, but I want to see him do it without a dominate O-line. Some here have been diverting attention from Brunell and have been blaming the O-line, well if that's the case who's responsible for the O-line, and why?

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4.3 YPC last year for portis, that is pretty good

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I think the Lineman themselves are responsible. Samuels has had some good years some bad. This seems to be a bad one. Ditto Jansen. Rabach does some things well but not others. Thomas may never play like he did last year again. (age, broken leg) They never have consistently played well. I think the Saunders offense has them confused as well. I would like to see them come out after the bye week with a more simplified running attack and get the hell away from all the screens and draws. Run the ball 30 times with Portis regardless of the score and try three 9 routes a half. That leaves at least 20 pass plays where they can TRY to drop back a throw REGULAR passes.

I think it's more than presumptuous to say that Gibbs doesn't understand the value of line play. I don't think it really deserves a response.

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This offense needs one change and one change only. Cut off the head.

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[QUOTE=offiss;236084]How many yards per carry? If you run a guy enough times he could eventually get 2000yds if he was capable of holding up. What's more important for an everydown running back, yds. per carry, or total yds? I say no question yds per carry, and if I am right about that then CP was the worst everydown back in the NFL that year, theres no getting around it. Just because Gibbs choose to run him into the ground to legitamize the signing is meaningless as far as I am concerned. And by the way Betts is averging more YDS per carry this year than Portis, and Betts comes in to get the tough yards.

No he didn't make SB MVP out of Rypien, our O-line did, the fact is Rypien wasen't anything to speak of before or after that year, and why? the O-line didn't allow anyone within 7 yards of him all year, we were on pace to set an NFL record for fewest sacks that year before the last game against the eagles. Did Gibbs take advantage of that? Absolutly, but I want to see him do it without a dominate O-line. Some here have been diverting attention from Brunell and have been blaming the O-line, well if that's the case who's responsible for the O-line, and why?[/QUOTE]


Did this post make sense to anyone else? I mean, I don't pretend to be nearly as knowledgeable as Offiss is, none of us are, but this has me completely confused. Little help please. Thanks

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[quote=TAFKAS;236092]Did this post make sense to anyone else? I mean, I don't pretend to be nearly as knowledgeable as Offiss is, none of us are, but this has me completely confused. Little help please. Thanks[/quote]


He seems to be saying that a 2000 yards season is within any backs reach if they get enough carries, that Betts is better than Portis, and that Gibbs is suspect until he wins without a "dominate O-line". All nonsense. Czabanesque nonsense.

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[QUOTE=Sean"Big Hurt"Taylor;235994] If jason campbell is not the answer than maybe draft one in this year's draft or pick up green for a couple of years before he retires to lead us to the super bowl with the talent we have on this team. [/QUOTE]

WHAT? Pick up another aging QB? Sure he knows the system, but youth has to be the focus, not another mid to late thirty year old!

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[QUOTE=jsarno;236109]WHAT? Pick up another aging QB? Sure he knows the system, but youth has to be the focus, not another mid to late thirty year old![/QUOTE]

Shoot. Green is older than Brunell

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[QUOTE=70Chip;236104]He seems to be saying that a 2000 yards season is within any backs reach if they get enough carries, that Betts is better than Portis, and that Gibbs is suspect until he wins without a "dominate O-line". All nonsense. Czabanesque nonsense.[/QUOTE]

But what I am also saying is, if our line is as bad as everyone thinks and I have thought it wasen't as good as everyone had made out in previous years than who's fault is it? Is it not Gibbs fault for not identifing such a glaring need at such a vital area of the team?

I can't help but wonder how many championships Gibbs may have won if it wasen't for that great line he had for 10 years, and we are talking all time great here. The fact is many coaches may have been able to win with that line, then again maybe not, Gibbs did what any good coach would do utilize his talent. But Gibbs had times during his first tenure when we couldn't move the ball like when we made the switch from Joey T to Schroeder, the offense took off once that happened, it always seemed back in the 80's the offense was as good as the QB, that's how it was for JG. Maybe it's still the same way, maybe all our problems stem from the QB and I have a strong feeling for the most part it does, then maybe Gibbs really hasen't lost it, maybe it's more of an ego thing that he can't swallow his pride on Brunell, either way he has to take the fall.

I for one am willing to cut the line some slack even though I have felt that Samuels is highly overated and have thought that for a 3 or 4 years now, Jansen has been a rock for us but is defiently having a down year, Dockery weighs 350 and plays like he's 250, and I felt we could have drafted better than Rabach, but there glaring faults could be under a huge spotlight because of the QB play, and until [as the grim reap put it] we cut off the head I for one will give them a pass [no pun intended].

And here's an example of why, our favorite team in the whole world made a switch tonight against one of the toughest defenses in the league with maybe the toughest D-line, and what happened? An undrafted QB with zero starts came in and managed the game and made some key plays, did he do anything spectacular? No, but he hung in the pocket didn't crumble when players were near him and made throws downfield when need be he was more concerned about making a play than when he was going to be hit, and all we heard is how the Boy's O-line can't protect, and no way will they keep Carolina from killing Romo, well Dallas's line didn't do to bad tonight did they? And all they did was replace the QB, Bledsoe is Brunells twin at QB, the only difference is Bledsoe stands in the pocket and waits to get hit, Brunell can't even do that he throws it immediatly as soon as he see's a different colored jersey on his side of the line of scrimmage, where he throws it is of no concern to him, or apparently Gibbs, so long as it's not an INT. Tonight we saw exactly why Parcells used to own Gibbs, because he identified his problem and fixed it with an undrafted QB, Gibbs still has no clue and gave up plenty for mister ACCURATE, and we think the world of him JC, so to put it bluntly, Dallas is winning with undrafted QB's and we can't get our big time 1st rounder on the field to take an NFL snap! So Gibbs will spend 2 weeks trying to fix Brunell and find out against the Boys that all the kings horses and all the king's men can't put our humpty dumpty back together again. And then we will be treated to all the excuses! Where's Lawerence Taylor when you need him?

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[QUOTE=TAFKAS;236110]Shoot. Green is older than Brunell[/QUOTE]

EXACTLY! What's the point in that? We had our chance with Green and let him go.

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[quote=offiss;236118]Bledsoe is Brunells twin at QB[/quote]

Through 7 starts:

Drew Bledsoe 2006
53.3% completion
1164 yards
7 TDs, 8 INTs
69.2 QB rating (icky stat, w/e)

Mark Brunell 2006
64.1% completion
1465 yards
7 TDs, 3 INTs
90.4 QB rating

Why are they twins? Because they are of similar age? Does that make me Lindsay Lohan's twin?

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[quote=TAFKAS;236092]Did this post make sense to anyone else? I mean, I don't pretend to be nearly as knowledgeable as Offiss is, none of us are, but this has me completely confused. Little help please. Thanks[/quote]

my head hurts

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We need the bye to be over with now.

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HI, I'm Lindsy Lohan and this is how a crab walks!

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[quote=offiss;236038]Clinton Portis coming out of college looked to be a very good change of pace and third down type of back, but he was put into a system that allowed for big gains running the ball where he could use his speed to really run up some serious numbers, but just like most of the backs that go through denver he is a little better than avg back.[/quote]

Little better than an average back?? Are you serious? He's probably one of the three most talented tailbacks in the NFL. Not to mention the fact that the slightly above average tailback set the Redskins single season rushing records behind the "slow" offensive line, just last year. I don't see how anyone can still call him a system back with what he's done since he's been in Washington.

And you're kidding yourself if you think Betts could handle the load. First of all, he's not the "power runner" that everyone seems to think he is. He may be a north/south runner, but if someone puts a hand on him, he's going down. Second, he's not durable. Even though he's only had a handful of starts in his four year career, he's been injured at least once in every season. Hell, even last week, when Brunell checked down to him several times in a row, he looked like he was having trouble getting back to the huddle by the third pass he caught.

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Portis is a system back....the NFL system

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I can't believe we're still debating whether CP is a good back or not.

Ridiculous.

It's not even worth discussing... seriously.

:doh:

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[QUOTE=Daseal;236188]HI, I'm Lindsy Lohan and this is how a crab walks![/QUOTE]

HAHA, gotta love Family Guy!

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[quote=Mattyk72;236238]I can't believe we're still debating whether CP is a good back or not.

Ridiculous.

It's not even worth discussing... seriously.

:doh:[/quote]

:tongue:Flush::nono:

I agree compeltely. Panic is not a pretty thing.

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Portis is not the freaking problem. No back can run when the other team is stacking 8 men in the box because the opposing quarterback cannot throw over the top. The problem is Mark Brunell, he does not keep the other team honest. Without the deep ball threat, teams will continue to take the running game and short passes away.

BENCH BRUNELL.

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[QUOTE=hail_2_da_skins;236293]Portis is not the freaking problem. No back can run when the other team is stacking 8 men in the box because the opposing quarterback cannot throw over the top. The problem is Mark Brunell, he does not keep the other team honest. Without the deep ball threat, teams will continue to take the running game and short passes away.

BENCH BRUNELL.[/QUOTE]

I completely agree.

Also, I am pleased with Portis' production. He has what, 6 td's? He missed most of 2 games too. So 6 td's in 5 games is outstanding.

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Mark Brunell 2006
64.1% completion
1465 yards
7 TDs, 3 INTs
90.4 QB rating

Say anything you want about how Brunell is "unable to stretch the field" (or any other subjective arguement), but when your numbers look like that and your offense ranks in the top ten in efficiency and scoring, you are not a problem, plain and simple. Hate to bring up this tired arguement, but it's still ridiculous to say otherwise.

I apologize on behalf of Mark Brunell for being 37 and not a very sexy player. All he does is produce from the QB position.

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[quote=GTripp0012;236329]
I apologize on behalf of Mark Brunell for being 37 and not a very sexy player. All he does is produce from the QB position.[/quote]

Yeah, One touchdown and a shade over 200 yards per game is ridiculous production...

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[quote=Southpaw;236332]Yeah, One touchdown and a shade over 200 yards per game is ridiculous production...[/quote]Considering that the season TOP is nearly 2 to 1 against you, it really is.

Don't forget that passing TD is a stat that is only representitive of a team's red zone tendencies and has little to do with the QB himself. Going into the bye, Portis was second in the NFL in rushing TD's, second only to Tomlinson. Even Betts has a rush TD this season.

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Let's not forget that the offense is the reason this team has 2 wins as opposed to one or maybe even none if we had the offense of the prior two seasons.

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[quote=offiss;236038]Great lines make good backs look great and avg backs look good, obviously Gibbs never understood what he had in the hogs, he's under the impresion that all you need is a high profile back and your off and running, no back can run without good blocking, Clinton Portis coming out of college looked to be a very good change of pace and third down type of back, but he was put into a system that allowed for big gains running the ball where he could use his speed to really run up some serious numbers, but just like most of the backs that go through denver he is a little better than avg back. personally I think he hits the holes to slow, he's still trying to run as if he was in denver waiting for the cut back that never comes. Stephen Jackson [st louis] would have been a much better fit for our offense, not to say we couldn't win with CP, just that 52 mil could have been spent on other players to help with pass protection and opening holes to run through etc. Not that we are capable of evaluating talent regardless of how many picks we have or how much money we have under the cap, we are horrible at talent evaluation.

But if we had a clue of how to draft, how much talent do you think we could have right now without 2 contracts, Brunell and Portis's 94mil? Keep in mind we could have traded Bailey for picks rather than giving up a second rounder, as well as giving up a second rounder for Brunell.

I am not even going to go into the rest of the picks we have thrown away![/quote]

Portis is a top 5 back in the nfl. His running style is perfect, he hits holes very quickly, much quicker than Betts may i add, and recently he has been getting in the endzone effectively. He is also a very durable back, look how many carries he had two years ago and last year. this is his first year with injury trouble. YPC is overrated as well, tomlinson had just over 3 ypc his rookie year cause of a weak O-line. Portis is also a very effective receiver, and he seldom loses yards cause he's very effective at always falling forward. Run betts 30 times in a game and see what happens, probably a lot of crashing into his o linemen and a couple fumbles. Portis is our best player (maybe santana moss), he's the franchise, he's our best.

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[quote=hail_2_da_skins;236293]Portis is not the freaking problem. No back can run when the other team is stacking 8 men in the box because the opposing quarterback cannot throw over the top. The problem is Mark Brunell, he does not keep the other team honest. Without the deep ball threat, teams will continue to take the running game and short passes away.

BENCH BRUNELL.[/quote]

I agree with this. Offensively we're still adjusting to a new system and that sould be taken into account but Brunell's inability to keep teams honest is killing the base for this offense...the running game. They're stacking against the run because they have no fear of us going deep. On the rare occasion we try to go deep to keep the defense honest Brunell cannot even get out of his own way let alone a pass rusher resulting in alot of sacks and throw aways. The O line could be better but Brunells lack of mobility plays a large role too. Atleast Campbell can scramble and get the ball down field kepping teams alittle more honest IMO.

Also if our defense was at the level we were at the prevous two seasons the offense would be putting up enough point to have a far better record.

Portis is a top notch back who can do it all and plays hard.

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[quote=TrustinGibbs;236471]I agree with this. Offensively we're still adjusting to a new system and that sould be taken into account but Brunell's inability to keep teams honest is killing the base for this offense...the running game. They're stacking against the run because they have no fear of us going deep. On the rare occasion we try to go deep to keep the defense honest Brunell cannot even get out of his own way let alone a pass rusher resulting in alot of sacks and throw aways. The O line could be better but Brunells lack of mobility plays a large role too. Atleast Campbell can scramble and get the ball down field kepping teams alittle more honest IMO.

Also if our defense was at the level we were at the prevous two seasons the offense would be putting up enough point to have a far better record.

Portis is a top notch back who can do it all and plays hard.[/quote]Well, try to understand what the running game is in Al's offense. It's the big play element of the offense. He uses the passing game to move the chains. Keeps it short, underneath, keeps drives moving.

He "takes shots" by running the ball. If the defense creeps up, and Portis can break through that first line, he's gone. So I would argue that Saunders is [I]trying[/I] to get the D to creep up on him.

Portis is a home run hitter at RB, and I think that's how Al is trying to use him. Not to grind out the clock like last season.

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[QUOTE=GTripp0012;236329]Say anything you want about how Brunell is "unable to stretch the field" (or any other subjective arguement), but when your numbers look like that and your offense ranks in the top ten in efficiency and scoring, you are not a problem, plain and simple.[/QUOTE]

if Yards Per throw ATTEMPT (not completion) were a stat, would you care then? what about 'doesn't throw vertical' or 'over the middle' is subjective?

how's Portis's YPC by the way? has he broken any "homeruns"? if you're basing the offense purely on how KC played, why isnt Cooley thrown to downfield like Gonz was?

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[quote=offiss;236084]How many yards per carry? If you run a guy enough times he could eventually get 2000yds if he was capable of holding up. What's more important for an everydown running back, yds. per carry, or total yds? I say no question yds per carry, and if I am right about that then CP was the worst everydown back in the NFL that year, theres no getting around it. Just because Gibbs choose to run him into the ground to legitamize the signing is meaningless as far as I am concerned. And by the way Betts is averging more YDS per carry this year than Portis, and Betts comes in to get the tough yards.
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I totally disagree on the YPC vs. total yards argument. If YPC were so much more valuable, Barry Sanders would have 3 Super Bowl rings. I'll take a back like Emmitt Smith, or Portis for that matter, who gets the tough yards instead of dancing in the backfield for a loss. John Riggins is another classic example of a runner who ground out tough first downs. Few people realize that Barry Sanders ALWAYS led the league in negative yardage rushes, often putting his teams in long yardage situations. Detroit's inconsistency sustaining drives was directly related to being forced to pass. And don't tell me about Sanders' lame O-line - he had Lomas Brown and Kevin Glover, both Pro Bowlers. But enough of that tangent.

Portis is the right back for this offense, and once the O-line does a better job, including pass protection to allow Brunell to get the ball downfield, Portis will see fewer "8 in the box" schemes. And BTW, his 4.3 YPC average last year was more than respectable.

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[quote=illdefined;236503]if Yards Per throw ATTEMPT (not completion) were a stat, would you care then? what about 'doesn't throw vertical' or 'over the middle' is subjective?

how's Portis's YPC by the way? has he broken any "homeruns"? if you're basing the offense purely on how KC played, why isnt Cooley thrown to downfield like Gonz was?[/quote]Yards per Attempt is a stat, in fact, I don't think I've ever thrown out a YPC stat...ever. All of my stats are YPA.

Vertical and over the middle are open to interpretation, therefore they are subjective. So is "homeruns" while you are at it.

I don't know what Cooley's deal is, but he is in pass protection a lot. It's a poor use of his talent, IMO, but a necessary one.

Portis' YPC is 4.2, down about a half yard from last year. But Brunell was the QB both years (and is playing better this year), so it's obviously not his fault.

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[QUOTE=GTripp0012;236508]Yards per Attempt is a stat, in fact, I don't think I've ever thrown out a YPC stat...ever. All of my stats are YPA.

Vertical and over the middle are open to interpretation, therefore they are subjective. So is "homeruns" while you are at it.

I don't know what Cooley's deal is, but he is in pass protection a lot. It's a poor use of his talent, IMO, but a necessary one.

Portis' YPC is 4.2, down about a half yard from last year. But Brunell was the QB both years, so it's obviously not his fault.[/QUOTE]

"homeruns" was your term, not mine. that stat shown in game 2 about Brunell throwing outside the numbers more than anyone in the NFL looked pretty empirical to me. and finally Brunell is the same from last year but our O-Line isn't? you're comparisons with players this year vs. last year are just as "inconsistent".

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brunell is older, slower, with less arm strength than last year, don't give me that "better than last year" crap. He has scrambled for like one first down this year. He had some big time scrambles last year, plus he was more on cue with santana last year.

He's gotten worse, I hate how he hides injuries, and plays through them, which severely hurts the team in the end. If he can't do it, he should take a week off.

When portis doesnt play the whole game, we always lose, without him, we don't got much. If we bench brunell for ANYBODY that might change.

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[QUOTE=GTripp0012;236508]Yards per Attempt is a stat, in fact, I don't think I've ever thrown out a YPC stat...ever. All of my stats are YPA.

Vertical and over the middle are open to interpretation, therefore they are subjective. So is "homeruns" while you are at it.

I don't know what Cooley's deal is, but he is in pass protection a lot. It's a poor use of his talent, IMO, but a necessary one.

Portis' YPC is 4.2, down about a half yard from last year. But Brunell was the QB both years (and is playing better this year), so it's obviously not his fault.[/QUOTE]

Portis's numbers are actually down just .1 yard from last year, not half a yard a carry. And if Saunders thinks that big plays should come out of the running game, he shouldn't have a job. That's not something you can count on in the NFL. There are too many good players on defense to try to rely on the offensive line and running back to make huge plays. Big plays have to come from the passing game. And that's not supposed to all be 12 yard passes and Santana in space. The ball needs to fly down the field.

I don't understand how anyone can watch the NFL and say that Mark Brunell is just as good as about half of the regular NFL starters. Other guys stretch the field. And I don't want to see his numbers compared to winning quarterbacks because Brunell isn't playing well enough to win. That's very subjective. That's based on a game by game basis. If he were playing well enough to win they'd be winning! And as for time of possession, that's his damn fault! If the ball kept moving, they Skins O would stay on the field. They don't move the chains because Brunell handles a 3rd and 8 by throwing to whoever is closest to him. It's disgusting.

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GT, part of the ToP MAY also be due to the offense not running ball control and going 3 and out so much. the defense has sucked, but offense hasn't helped them out at all.