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Regarding the 12th man as an component on Sunday.

[I]"Don't expect the fans to come out of their cars cheering. You have to give them something to cheer about"[/I]

Wise words. I wish he still played for the Skins.

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i agree...we've been cheering for the last decade with nothing to cheer about (save last years great run). That said, i do wish we'd arrive a bit earlier to the games...we are def. a late arriving crowd, which makes the team's dramatic entrance somewhat weaker, as the stadium is still 30% empty 15 mins before game time. but can't fault people for wanting to booze...

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I think this is mostly because of 495. Getting all 96,000+ into the stadium is near impossible. Fans need to leave earlier to arrive earlier. Theres nothing worse than paying all the money to go to a game and missing kickoff. I leave early enough to be in my seats with at least 10 minutes to go and Im always ready to cheer. If the Defense takes the field first I continually cheer them on no matter how many third and longs they give up. I'll cheer no matter how bad it is.

I also think that given the choice the other team has the advantage at the beginning of either half. As stated, fans aren't in their seats in the first quarter and aren't loud, and at the beginning of the second half many fans are in lines for the bathroom, for food, or buying stuff. Thats just the way it goes. Those of us that are ready need to cheer louder to make up for the difference.

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fair enough...still wish people would arrive earlier, but what can you do? How are the fans in your section? Last game I went to, people were SCREAMING at a guy for standing up and cheering on our D...so much so that there was almost redskin or redskin violence. Do you find that fans in your section (the majority) are less animated as well? I mean from my standpoint, you are at a game...its your job to cheer, and if you feel moved to do it standing, so be it...i for one, never sit down (but that is because i am right infront of the luxury boxes (so there is nobody behind me), but still, its a GAME!

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Fans have a duty to support their team by making noise when the opponent's offense is on the field and staying quiet (i.e. not booing) when our offense is on the field. Fans DO affect the game and if they do not do their part to create a home-field advantage, they shouldn't complain about players not doing their part.

I've never understood the point of booing your team. What does it accomplish? If your team sucks, do you think the players need the fans to inform them of such? When a team is playing poorly they know it and don't need fans to pile on and hit them when they are down.

In anticipation of how people might respond to this post: (1) football is not politics, so please do not cite your 1st Amendment rights to boo; and (2) just because you paid for a ticket and have the [I]right[/I] to boo doesn't mean that you [I]should[/I] boo.

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when you overpay for so much talent (and ticket prices are raised accordingly) you have a right to expect your team not to suck. I can understand the desire to boo, as fan are simply soooo frustrated that they have no other outlet (ie- 4 3 and outs in a row, and brunell completes a 5 yard pass when we needed 8)...just as the natural reaction to a good play is to cheer. You want a release. Moreover, these guys are not kids, they are professionals. It is reasonable for people to expect them to play and behave accordingly. That said, I agree with you, it is destructive, demeaning and unnecessary. Moreover, i don't buy the booing as a motivational tool, but i can see some benefit in trying to illicit change- ie get brunell out.

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[QUOTE=BrunellMVP?;237767]fair enough...still wish people would arrive earlier, but what can you do? How are the fans in your section? Last game I went to, people were SCREAMING at a guy for standing up and cheering on our D...so much so that there was almost redskin or redskin violence. Do you find that fans in your section (the majority) are less animated as well? I mean from my standpoint, you are at a game...its your job to cheer, and if you feel moved to do it standing, so be it...i for one, never sit down (but that is because i am right infront of the luxury boxes (so there is nobody behind me), but still, its a GAME![/QUOTE]

Fans in my section (129) seem to be more sitting than cheering. It drives me nuts but what can i do. Also in this section are many fans of the opposition. The wife and I are on the aisle, so every week I have to sit next to the opposition. This week won't be any different. Expect the stadium to be at least 40% cowboy fans if not more. I've definitely heard stories of people being told to sit down and think its ridiculous.

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[QUOTE=Sheriff Gonna Getcha;237772]Fans have a duty to support their team by making noise when the opponent's offense is on the field and staying quiet (i.e. not booing) when our offense is on the field. Fans DO affect the game and if they do not do their part to create a home-field advantage, they shouldn't complain about players not doing their part.

I've never understood the point of booing your team. What does it accomplish? If your team sucks, do you think the players need the fans to inform them of such? When a team is playing poorly they know it and don't need fans to pile on and hit them when they are down.

In anticipation of how people might respond to this post: (1) football is not politics, so please do not cite your 1st Amendment rights to boo; and (2) just because you paid for a ticket and have the [I]right[/I] to boo doesn't mean that you [I]should[/I] boo.[/QUOTE]

Yea the booing drives me nuts. Its not all Brunells fault. He just takes the blame all the time because hes the easiest one to point at. Boo the D when they keep giving up 3rd and longs.

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That is another huge beef- the redskins fans seem to sell their tickets to opponents ALL the time! Are they corp seats? i am constantly sickened by the volume of opposing jerseys in the stadium, week in, week out.

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[quote=RedskinRat;237741]Regarding the 12th man as an component on Sunday.

[I]"Don't expect the fans to come out of their cars cheering. You have to give them something to cheer about"[/I]

Wise words. I wish he still played for the Skins.[/quote]

I cannot STAND how negative he is. Drives me crazy. He's bitter.

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maybe if Snyder wouldn't constantly raise the ticket prices you would see more ordinary Joe's at the games. i live about an hour and a half away, and go to one game a year. because thats all i can afford. i would love top see 4-5 games a year but i got mouths to feed:)

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[QUOTE=dmek25;237787]maybe if Snyder wouldn't constantly raise the ticket prices you would see more ordinary Joe's at the games. i live about an hour and a half away, and go to one game a year. because thats all i can afford. i would love top see 4-5 games a year but i got mouths to feed:)[/QUOTE]

I live 2hours away and have season tickets. Im by no means rich. We have a kid and my wife is currently looking for a job. Average joes CAN get to all the games if they try hard enough.

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all of those issues are snyder's fault. Tickets are too expensive, the stadium is too big, and the location sucks. All of these factors bring up those issues. Too many seats to fill so many tickets get sold to cowgirls fans, bad location so 495 gets backed up....late arrival. Too expensive so it's all corporate people who don't cheer as hard. oh yeah......and the team isnt good haha

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Snyder didn't build the stadium, so we can't blame him for all the problems.

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He has added like 10,000 seats and charged a rediculous amount for them

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But there's nothing he can do about the location or the road infrastructure around the stadium.

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[quote=Warpath;237800]I live 2hours away and have season tickets. Im by no means rich. We have a kid and my wife is currently looking for a job. Average joes CAN get to all the games if they try hard enough.[/quote]
i guess its all in what you seem important in life. i love the redskins, but if its between a bigger and nicer home and tickets, guess what loses? nice car or tickets? and by the way, you got any tickets for sale?

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i leave here around 1000 so i can get there around 1130 or 1200. i dont want to miss anything because i only go once or twice a season

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If they want a good atmosphere, they need to offer free tickets to college kids, then the stadium will be rockin..............snyder "needs" the extra money though, so no incentives like that wont be adopted. But seriously, imagine if we had a "student" section, the other team wouldnt be able to hear themselves.

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[quote=dall-assblows;237883]that is sexy avatar rr[/quote]

It sure is.. :(

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[QUOTE=RedskinRat;237741]Regarding the 12th man as an component on Sunday.

[I]"Don't expect the fans to come out of their cars cheering. You have to give them something to cheer about"[/I]

Wise words. I wish he still played for the Skins.[/QUOTE]

I disagree with BMitch a bit here...I am going to the game Sunday and I intend to start with the noise until they give me a reason not to cheer. It's Dallas for f-cks sake...they deserve a hype building at 1:05...what they do with it from there and how we repond is up to them.

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Blaming Snyder for Fed Ex fields problems is assinine...you may as well pin the Kennedy assisination on him as well.

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[quote=celts32;237910]I disagree with BMitch a bit here...I am going to the game Sunday and I intend to start with the noise until they give me a reason not to cheer. It's Dallas for f-cks sake...they deserve a hype building at 1:05...what they do with it from there and how we repond is up to them.[/quote]

I think BMitch was saying that the team needs to perform, not just expect the fans to Rah-Rah regardless.

If I was lucky enough to be there I'd be loud from 10:00am until the cops drag me out.

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[QUOTE=RedskinRat;237913]I think BMitch was saying that the team needs to perform, not just expect the fans to Rah-Rah regardless.

If I was lucky enough to be there I'd be loud from 10:00am until the cops drag me out.[/QUOTE]

I agree with that if that's what he meant...it's going to be a testy crowd...it will start hype but as soon as it goes bad the crowd will turn on them. Especially at Brunell. I don't plan on booing personally...but I think this is going to be an angry crowd if they don't get off to a good start.

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why are there so many dallas fans around here???? are there a lot of people who used to live out there, or their families did, or were they so sick of the redskins losing that they quit on em. Or are these just people seeking attention, or a combination of all that........your thoughts.

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[QUOTE=The Zimmermans;237921]why are there so many dallas fans around here???? are there a lot of people who used to live out there, or their families did, or were they so sick of the redskins losing that they quit on em. Or are these just people seeking attention, or a combination of all that........your thoughts.[/QUOTE]



For a long while it was not just Dallas, it was any team the Redskins were playing against. There is a history behind the reasons though things did begin to get better in the early 70's when they began to have some success under the late George Allen.

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[quote=hesscl34;237885]It sure is.. :([/quote]


i want one :FIREdevil

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not so sure you can blame synder. As the guys have pointed out, infrastructure, location, and size (large, prior to additions) were all out of his control. We can, however, take issue with the escalation in prices, which are prohibitively expensive the proletariat. I mean, 1 day at Fedex costs more than the tax rebates (not getting political)...

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Do you think the high prices correlate directly with the lack of atmosphere?? I know some games have great atmosphere, but toward the end of the season when the team is struggling the atmosphere isnt very impressive. And never is impressive on the club level. Why are people content with sitting inside and watching the tvs?

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[QUOTE=The Zimmermans;238261]Do you think the high prices correlate directly with the lack of atmosphere?? I know some games have great atmosphere, but toward the end of the season when the team is struggling the atmosphere isnt very impressive. And never is impressive on the club level. Why are people content with sitting inside and watching the tvs?[/QUOTE]

I think that FedEx doesn't generate a great homefield advantage for a few reasons: (1) the Club Level tickets are expensive and a lot of those fans are the "Chardonnay" crowd; (2) we haven't fielded a great team since the RFK days; (3) FedEx is very antiseptic and doesn't create that blue-collar "we'll tear your head off" atmosphere; and (4) for some reason it seems like Washingtonians sell a lot of their tickets to outsiders (e.g. Dallas fans) and don't hold onto them like Philly or Green Bay fans do.

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Do you think that the tickets get sold to other fans because it is too much of a commitment to go to every game because of ticket prices, traffic etc...

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[QUOTE=The Zimmermans;238372]Do you think that the tickets get sold to other fans because it is too much of a commitment to go to every game because of ticket prices, traffic etc...[/QUOTE]

In some cases, but not for most "sellout" ticketholders. If this organization fields a good playoff team in back-to-back years, I think fans will stop selling their tickets in such large numbers. The fan base is definately here, it just needs to be energized.

That being said, the fans have a job to do (create homefield advantage) and they are simply not doing it. We are losing some close game (e.g. against Vikes and Titans) at home and the fans need to do their part to try to bring us Ws.

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[quote=Sheriff Gonna Getcha;238394]That being said, the fans have a job to do (create homefield advantage) and they are simply not doing it. We are losing some close game (e.g. against Vikes and Titans) at home and the fans need to do their part to try to bring us Ws.[/quote]


maybe once the team decides to show some heart the fans will feel more like jumping in.

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[QUOTE=That Guy;238427]maybe once the team decides to show some heart the fans will feel more like jumping in.[/QUOTE]

I agree that when our team plays better, the fans will be louder. But just because that is the way things are, that doesn't mean that's the way things should be.

I know I have no right to say X person is less of a fan than I am, but I cannot stomach fairweather fans who cheer only when we are stomping someone's ass. Many fairweather Redskins fans make me sick - they show no heart whatsoever. If our team had the heart of our fans, we'd be the Oakland Raiders.

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[quote=Sheriff Gonna Getcha;238441]I agree that when our team plays better, the fans will be louder. But just because that is the way things are, that doesn't mean that's the way things should be.

I know I have no right to say X person is less of a fan than I am, but I cannot stomach fairweather fans who cheer only when we are stomping someone's ass. Many fairweather Redskins fans make me sick - they show no heart whatsoever. If our team had the heart of our fans, we'd be the Oakland Raiders.[/quote]

and LDS does everything to encourage that kind of fan behavior by having all those lounges and such open DURING the game. he rather sell than have people look at what's on the field. The high prices also help bring in an older crowd and the politician/lawyer/etc crowd which is less likely to cheer anyways.

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The guy is out to make money....

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[quote=BrunellMVP?;237779]That is another huge beef- the redskins fans seem to sell their tickets to opponents ALL the time! Are they corp seats? i am constantly sickened by the volume of opposing jerseys in the stadium, week in, week out.[/quote]


I agree that is a problem when they are playing good. Otherwise, I don't blame someone for selling their overpriced seats when Snyder puts dogsh!t on the field. If the prices were reasonable, I would say that no one should sell them to other teams fans but with this team, go right ahead.

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[quote=Sheriff Gonna Getcha;238441]I agree that when our team plays better, the fans will be louder. But just because that is the way things are, that doesn't mean that's the way things should be.

I know I have no right to say X person is less of a fan than I am, but I cannot stomach fairweather fans who cheer only when we are stomping someone's ass. Many fairweather Redskins fans make me sick - they show no heart whatsoever. If our team had the heart of our fans, we'd be the Oakland Raiders.[/quote]

Whoa, I don't know about that. Snyder has created a situation where non-fans are going to be a large percentage of the crowd because of prices and corporate sponsorships.

Many die-hards can't afford to be season ticketholders.