If Moss is out - can ARE and Lloyd step up?
 

The skins made depth a wide receiver a priority and if Moss is out we are about to see if they got it right. So far ARE and Lloyd have contributed almost nothing. However, in my opinion this is in large part a function of Brunell not even looking their way. With Moss out he'll have no choice. We know that if he throws it Lloyd's way he can out jump the cowgirls secondary so I'd love to see Brunell tossing it deep a few times on 1st and 2nd down to stretch the field and open it up for Portis.

Of course, we all hope Moss plays but perhaps if he doesn't it will at least force Brunell to look elsewhere - looking on the bright side, this could be the time for Lloyd and ARE to break out.

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Depend's someone could get killed the way Brunell throws deep with R Williams lurking about.

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are and b lloyd need to step up but if the qb has "Moss Blinders" on he wont throw it to them. I hope the blinders come off this sunday.

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[QUOTE=vaoutlaws2006;238072]are and b lloyd need to step up but if the qb has "Moss Blinders" on he wont throw it to them. I hope the blinders come off this sunday.[/QUOTE]

That's the point though - if Moss isn't playing the 'blinders' will have to come off. Unless Brunell chooses to through it over the sidelines - something he has been doing a lot of. Actually, thinking about it if he sees Moss stalking the sidelines in a shirt and tie he might throw it there even more! Sh!t.

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[QUOTE=marius;238077]Unless Brunell chooses to through it over the sidelines.[/QUOTE]

That should read throw. It's early and I need a coffee.

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maybe some positives if moss doesnt play. now brunell is forced to look elsewhere. we already know that both of those guys are legit nfl recievers

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I said it before, I dont think that Brunell is comfortable throwing to ARE and Lloyd. It seemed to me in the Colts game Saunders was forcing Brunell to throw to Lloyd the first couple of plays.

I do think however if Jason Campbell would not have this problem. He would, IMO, throw to the open receiver no matter who it was. I think that we have a very good stable of WR's with Moss, Lloyd, ARE, Patten. We need to have a QB that will throw to the open receiver, no matter who it is. We should also run more 4WR sets, even run Portis out the 4wide sets, spread the D. That would open up PlayAction like crazy for our O. Just my thoughts...

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[quote=marius;238077]That's the point though - if Moss isn't playing the 'blinders' will have to come off. Unless Brunell chooses to through it over the sidelines - something he has been doing a lot of. Actually, thinking about it if he sees Moss stalking the sidelines in a shirt and tie he might throw it there even more! Sh!t.[/quote]
Last season, I thought that Patten and Jacobs must not be getting open, but I'm now convinced that Brunell has blinders for Moss, and sometimes Cooley. His final throw to Moss in QUADRUPLE coverage in the loss to the Titans was ridiculous. I'd love to see that play from the end-zone camera - ARE and/or Lloyd were probably wide open.

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It's like a vicious circle as Brunell feels comfortable throwing to Moss because of what Moss can do so he keeps throwing to him. Uncertain of what the others can do, he avoids them - better the devil you know and all that. If the other guys are getting open and Brunell is still throwing to a double covered Moss then that would be unbelievable from a veteran quarterback. If Moss is out on Sunday then we will see for sure what is going on.

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The question I have is will Brunell pick out another receiver to lock onto if Moss doesn't play? Another words is his problem too much love for Moss, or is it that he doesn't have the ability to scan the whole field anymore?

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I think both Brandon and ARE are more than capable of stepping up, ie getting wide open and running wild...i think the real questions focus on 4 things: 1) is the playcalling going to allow for deep balls? 2) will the line allow those calls to develop? 3) will mark be patient enough (trust his line) to let the plays develop? 4) will we establish an effective run game to set up play action?

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i just dont think he scans the field. he feels a little pressure the he wants to throw it to moss regardless of how many people are on him. My prediction is this sunday cooley is the guy he will want to force it too. If Brunnell doesnt have success this weekend will we see a change? I wont bet on it but all i can hope for is during the bye week Brunnell has found a fountain of youth somewhere and spent the entire time in it.

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I would agree, it doesn't appear as if he is making his reads...He seems to look for moss, if moss is covered, he looks to check down or tosses it out of bounds...while this strategy avoids the turnover, it diminishes the value of our talented off season acquisitions- while making the opposing D's job exponentially easier.

I also agree that the connection between brunell and cooley will be key on sunday.

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Everyone is going to have to step up without Moss.

Not having Moss in the lineup is going to be a big loss. Why can't we just get healthy as a team??

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We have all the depth we need. Patten, Lloyd, Randal El, Cooley. We're good.

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This could either be a huge step forward or an even bigger leap backward than they have already taken. Without Moss, Brunell might actually learn how to throw to someone without Moss, Cooley, or *insert RB here* on the back of their jerseys. However, I don't think it's going to happen. It'll be about the same thing that happens when Moss is in there. He'll look to Cooley and the backs most of the game. Whatever, I'll be on the road during the game.

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As it's been pointed out, it's not whether ARE and Lloyd can step up (they can), it's whether Brunell can throw to someone who's not 89, 47 or 26/46. He's going to have to this weekend, and I think he'll be ok.

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Guys really there's no way neither Moss or Portis will miss this game they will stuff a hole bottle of pain killers just to be out there this game is Huge it's the season

probably the last meaningful game of the season they won't miss it

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probably the last meaningful game of the season they won't miss it[/quote]


Blah, blah.... it's far from the last meaningful game.

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[quote=BDBohnzie;238135]As it's been pointed out, it's not whether ARE and Lloyd can step up (they can), it's whether Brunell can throw to someone who's not 89, 47 or 26/46. He's going to have to this weekend, and I think he'll be ok.[/quote]

You guys KILL me with this Brunell stuff. The man CAN throw the ball to other people. He'll be fine, and he'll have a freakin rocket on him after sitting out for so long and resting.

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Sure he CAN, but WILL he?

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Of course he can....he just chooses not to. And now, he has no choice but to look downfield at someone other than 89.

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I have an idea. Put Moss jerseys on ALL receivers.

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lets not forget that he's also nursing an injury.

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[quote=hesscl34;238141]probably the last meaningful game of the season they won't miss it[/quote]


Blah, blah.... it's far from the last meaningful game.[/quote]


Dude blah, blah Really?

You can honestly say with a straight face that IF you lose and sitting with a 2 - 6 record there will be other meaningful games in the season???

With a 2 -6 record you can honestly sit and say The season AIN'T OVER..... Come on.

We all Know that IF you win this game and end up losing the other 8 and that game cost us the Playoffs you'll be chearing like crazy.

We might Suck but hey We Stop the Cowboys..... So yeah It's probably the last meaningful game of the season.

YOU win you still have hope, you can screw our season..... You lose season is over the only things left to look for is when JC steps up at QB and What to do with the first pick of the draft

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At 2-6, mathematically it's not over. That's all I can say about that.

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[QUOTE=hesscl34;238143]You guys KILL me with this Brunell stuff. The man CAN throw the ball to other people. He'll be fine, and he'll have a freakin rocket on him after sitting out for so long and resting.[/QUOTE]

Moss: 28 catches, 435 yards
Cooley: 21 catches, 218 yards
Betts: 23 catches, 193 yards
Lloyd: 11 catches, 164 yards
Randle El: 18 catches, 167 yards
Portis: 15 catches, 155 yards
Sellers: 9 catches, 50 yards

So, he looks to throw to other people than Moss; their names are Betts and Cooley. On that list it's 47 catches by backs, 21 by cooley and 29 by receivers not named Moss. 28 by Moss. So, if he doesn't play, they're in deep trouble.

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[QUOTE=D'BOYZ;238156]
Dude blah, blah Really?

You can honestly say with a straight face that IF you lose and sitting with a 2 - 6 record there will be other meaningful games in the season???

With a 2 -6 record you can honestly sit and say The season AIN'T OVER..... Come on.

We all Know that IF you win this game and end up losing the other 8 and that game cost us the Playoffs you'll be chearing like crazy.

We might Suck but hey We Stop the Cowboys..... So yeah It's probably the last meaningful game of the season.

YOU win you still have hope, you can screw our season..... You lose season is over the only things left to look for is when JC steps up at QB and What to do with the first pick of the draft[/QUOTE]

You're right man. I can't stand the sorry ass Skins fans who say stuff like, I don't care if we go 2 - 14 and beat Dallas both games. That's bs. That's a losing attitude. Personally, the Skins can go 14 and 2 and drop both games to Big D for all I care. I want them to win! Dallas doesn't mean much to me. Hell, go 10-6 and 0-6 in the division, if they make the playoffs I'll be pissed that they lost all divisional games, but I'll be happy as hell that they made the playoffs. They need to win games, I don't care who they come against. Just win baby...

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Yeah, I mean if we lost to Dallas twice and won the Super Bowl, I'd just shit on them anyway. It wasn't that they were the better team overall, just the better team THAT PARTICULAR DAY. It's defeatist to be like that.

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dallas makes me sick. i hate seeing the jersey's on the metro, i hate seeing them about town, and i automatically hate the person wearing it. that said, i'd take loses to dallas anyday for a winning record (we all would). I think the point of the 2-14 thing is, if we are going to win only two games, we prefer they be against the boyz.

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[quote=hesscl34;238143]You guys KILL me with this Brunell stuff. The man CAN throw the ball to other people. He'll be fine, and he'll have a freakin rocket on him after sitting out for so long and resting.[/quote]
No you kill me! When the hell are you gonna throw that Brunell towl in you've been wavin'? Can't you see that this Brunell thing ain't workin? Will he have a rocket on him or rust? There comes a time in every athletes life when he has to look in the mirror and face reality. Father Time is blitzing right up the middle and he can't get out of the way! The future is now!

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[quote=Crat92;238172]No you kill me! When the hell are you gonna throw that Brunell towl in you've been wavin'? Can't you see that this Brunell thing ain't workin? Will he have a rocket on him or rust? There comes a time in every athletes life when he has to look in the mirror and face reality. Father Time is blitzing right up the middle and he can't get out of the way! The future is now![/quote]

WHAT I SEE - is that he's our ONLY chance to make the playoffs THIS YEAR. You guys are so busy thinking about next year that you've all thrown in the towel THIS YEAR. Instead of sitting around bashing him all season I'm going to stand behind him. I would like to see a few more good games, and I would HOPE that now that our D is healthy that he can step up a bit more. The time IS NOW, not tomrrow. Makes more sense, I think!!

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[quote=hesscl34;238175]WHAT I SEE - is that he's our ONLY chance to make the playoffs THIS YEAR. You guys are so busy thinking about next year that you've all thrown in the towel THIS YEAR. Instead of sitting around bashing him all season I'm going to stand behind him. I would like to see a few more good games, and I would HOPE that now that our D is healthy that he can step up a bit more. The time IS NOW, not tomrrow. Makes more sense, I think!![/quote]
Point well taken HESS. I sure hope you're right!

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[quote=hesscl34;238175]WHAT I SEE - is that he's our ONLY chance to make the playoffs THIS YEAR. You guys are so busy thinking about next year that you've all thrown in the towel THIS YEAR. Instead of sitting around bashing him all season I'm going to stand behind him. I would like to see a few more good games, and I would HOPE that now that our D is healthy that he can step up a bit more. The time IS NOW, not tomrrow. Makes more sense, I think!![/quote]

You say that you're going to stand behing him but if he loses this week and you're sitting at 2 - 6 with the only real chance to make the playoffs is if you go 8-0 the next weeks would you still be behind him

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No, he's going to be standing behind US because he will have butt-raped us and the team for the entire season.

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ARE will have a breakout game recieving, lloyd will do pretty well too

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Yeah an McGiver will air back on tv ... any more wishful thinking

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[QUOTE=D'BOYZ;238214]Yeah an McGiver will air back on tv ... any more wishful thinking[/QUOTE]

yeah. u will leave the site forever

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[quote=D'BOYZ;238190]You say that you're going to stand behing him but if he loses this week and you're sitting at 2 - 6 with the only real chance to make the playoffs is if you go 8-0 the next weeks would you still be behind him[/quote]

That's a whole lot of "ifs".. To answer your question, YES, I'll still be behind him becuase I want to see a few more good games this year. Especially against the Giants.

You're way up there on your horse for being 4-3 right now, don't you think? New QB and all. You all may very well fall short yourselves. Any given Sunday.

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Has Sean Taylor met Tony Romo yet?

Poor Romo......