Expect Andre Carter to Pressure Romo
 

I am going to go out on a limb (perhaps a brittle one at that) and predict that Andre Carter will collect at least one sack on Tony Romo and will get a few QB hurries. Please feel free to ridicule me if I am proven wrong.

I went back and watched this year's Redskins games to try to figure out why Andre Carter isn't collecting more sacks. I've noticed that Carter, a speedy end-rusher, has been going wide on most passing downs. Carter usually ends up going too wide. Why? Because our DTs have been getting little, if any, pressure on the interior of opposing offensive lines. Opposing quarterbacks have been able to step up into the pocket, avoid Carter, and complete passes.

With a (relatively) healthy duo of Griffin and Salave'a, I expect our DTs to get more inside pressure. Moreover, with a healthy secondary, I expect our coverage to hold up a little longer than it has in recent weeks. Although Romo is a mobile quarterback, I fully expect the presence of two health DTs and two healthy CBs to help Carter apply pressure from the outside.

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i sure hope so

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I agree with almost everything you have said.

I also think he will get one sack, but I think be a fluke. I don't expect him earning a sack.

He will get a sack, bc he will be pressed by our DTs, and Romo will run out to a side, and Carter will sack him.

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Carter better line up wide to use his speed rush! If big ass Flozell gets his paws on him, it's over!

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To reiterate what I said above (in different words), great speedy pass rushers usually have good DTs inside who apply pressure. Carter is not a bull-rusher, he relies on his speed and ability to beat OTs around the edges. Without inside pressure, his speed is useless. To date, Carter has been given NO help from our DTs.

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I think Carter was a big bust, almost as big as Arch.

But because of his switch back to line, and a different D, I think he will start showing some life at the end of this year. I think we will have a different opinion about him next year.

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[quote=Sheriff Gonna Getcha;238345]To reiterate what I said above (in different words), great speedy pass rushers usually have good DTs inside who apply pressure. Carter is not a bull-rusher, he relies on his speed and ability to beat OTs around the edges. Without inside pressure, his speed is useless. To date, Carter has been given NO help from our DTs.[/quote]

Yeah I think that is true.

In my view, I am just saying that Carter will get a sack, based more off the other players. You are saying that as well, but I think Romo will have no where to go for one play, except into Carter.

I expect only that one moment, and the rest of the game Carter will be sucking.

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I think he can make some plays if he's moved around a bit as he has been the past couple weeks. Sure hope he finds a comfort zone.

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[QUOTE=hooskins;238346]I think Carter was a big bust, almost as big as Arch.

But because of his switch back to line, and a different D, I think he will start showing some life at the end of this year. I think we will have a different opinion about him next year.[/QUOTE]

Was he overpaid? Yes. Is he a bust? No.

We knew exactly what we were getting from him when we signed him, a speedy end-rusher. We knew that he wasn't going to bull-rush a 340 OT (e.g. Flozell Adams). We seemingly thought that our DTs would provide pressure on the inside and Carter would provide pressure from the outside. Carter has been beating OTs on the edges, but that doesn't mean squat when opposing QBs have simply been able to move the pocket up in the middle because our DTs aren't getting inside pressure.

I guarantee you that once our inside D-linemen start applying pressure, Carter will get a lot more QB pressures and sacks.

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NOTHING would make me happier than to see our D have that jailbreak, swarming, smothering style we all expected this season

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[QUOTE=hooskins;238347]Yeah I think that is true.

In my view, I am just saying that Carter will get a sack, based more off the other players. You are saying that as well, but I think Romo will have no where to go for one play, except into Carter.

I expect only that one moment, and the rest of the game Carter will be sucking.[/QUOTE]

The area in which I do think Carter sucks is against the run. He's getting plowed by big OTs.

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Buuuuuussssssttttt

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[QUOTE=D'BOYZ;238353]Buuuuuussssssttttt[/QUOTE]

Kinda like your 1st round pick Bobby Carpenter. How's he doing? What about Fabini? I heard he's really shored up your O-line about as much as Marcellus Wiley helped out your Dline.

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[quote=Sheriff Gonna Getcha;238356]Kinda like your 1st round pick Bobby Carpenter. How's he doing? What about Fabini? I heard he's really shored up your O-line about as much as Marcellus Wiley helped out your Dline.[/quote]
WOOOOOOOOOW! GOOD ONE SHERIFF!

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Just for everyone's viewing pleasure, Bobby Carpenter has not started a single game, has been inactive for three games (apparently, he's not good enough for special teams), and has yet to record a single tackle.

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Carter has some talent, I think we've all seen it, but no one can do it by themselves. If the DL sucks, he will look poorly too. If the DL steps up a little, then Carter will look better.
As far as Carter getting a sack and some hurries....he NEEDS to. We need him to step up. I just don't see it.
ps- Romo is overrated.

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[QUOTE=jsarno;238365]As far as Carter getting a sack and some hurries....he NEEDS to. We need him to step up. I just don't see it.
ps- Romo is overrated.[/QUOTE]

We don't need Carter to step up, we need to be able to prevent QBs from doing so.

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it seems to me carter lets himself get engaaged with the bigger offensive lineman. then the battle is over. i have rarely seen him try to use the speed rush.

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[quote=Sheriff Gonna Getcha;238356]Kinda like your 1st round pick Bobby Carpenter. How's he doing? What about Fabini? I heard he's really shored up your O-line about as much as Marcellus Wiley helped out your Dline.[/quote]

get 'em

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it really looks like romo has just been lucky up to this point, IMO

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Carter could get a sack. Hell anyone can get one frickin sack. How about consistency and production? They should play Wynn on run downs and Carter on pass. That's making the best out of a bad situation. Who has a worse right side in the NFL than the Skins? Carter and Holdman = a lot of rushing yards for the other team.

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Great post SGG.

With no push up the middle QBs can easily step up and deliver. We need that push up the gut to prevent QBs from being able to do that and only then will the sacks come from the outside rush of Carter.

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[QUOTE=Sheriff Gonna Getcha;238368]We don't need Carter to step up, we need to be able to prevent QBs from doing so.[/QUOTE]

Yeah, which means we need our d-line to step up to stop them from stepping up. It all starts with pressure. Any QB in the league can pick any team apart when they have all day to throw it.

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It would be nice if our linebackers could cover tight ends, even with pressure, romo will just be able to dump off to whitten, unless we learn to cover.

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Wow. So that's it? Andre Carter officially gets a pass because the defensive tackles aren't getting pressure?

What happened to the notion that Carter was supposed to provide some pressure of his own?

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[QUOTE=Mattyk72;238381]Great post SGG.

With no push up the middle QBs can easily step up and deliver. We need that push up the gut to prevent QBs from being able to do that and [B]only then will the sacks come from the outside rush of Carter.[/B][/QUOTE]

Sorry. I'm not buying it. The only thing preventing Carter from getting sacks is Carter himself. It's not Cornelius Griffin's fault that Andre can't get around the offensive tackle. It's not Joe Salave'a's fault that Carter can't get the edge on his opponent and at the very least [I]hurry[/I] the quarterback into a bad throw.

Defensive ends are supposed to be effective whether the D-tackles are getting penetration or not.

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[quote=Sheriff Gonna Getcha;238368]We don't need Carter to step up, we need to be able to prevent QBs from doing so.[/quote]So what you're saying is that when I was clammoring for more DT depth in the offseason, I [I]wasn't[/I] talking out of my ass?

And to think I tried so hard...

Seriously though, Montgomery and Golston have played well for rookies. But in this defense, well is not good enough. You need to manhandle the O-line.

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[quote=Beemnseven;238542]Sorry. I'm not buying it. The only thing preventing Carter from getting sacks is Carter himself. It's not Cornelius Griffin's fault that Andre can't get around the offensive tackle. It's not Joe Salave'a's fault that Carter can't get the edge on his opponent and at the very least [I]hurry[/I] the quarterback into a bad throw.

Defensive ends are supposed to be effective whether the D-tackles are getting penetration or not.[/quote]If this was true, guys like Jevon Kearse wouldn't disappear when moving from team to team, and guys like Derrick Burgess wouldn't emerge after leaving a team.

Wow, I just took two shots at the Eagles without even trying.

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[QUOTE=Beemnseven;238542]Sorry. I'm not buying it. The only thing preventing Carter from getting sacks is Carter himself. It's not Cornelius Griffin's fault that Andre can't get around the offensive tackle. It's not Joe Salave'a's fault that Carter can't get the edge on his opponent and at the very least [I]hurry[/I] the quarterback into a bad throw.

Defensive ends are supposed to be effective whether the D-tackles are getting penetration or not.[/QUOTE]

It's nice to say that Carter should be effective whether the D-tackles are getting penetration or not. In my mind however, that is simply unrealistic. Teams pay a high premium for game-changing defensive ends (i.e. Dwight Freeney). While we paid Carter $30 million, we didn't pay him anywhere near what Dwight Freeney is going to get and we paid him less than half of what Jevon Kearse actually got. So, to expect Carter to be a monster even when other D-linemen aren't doing anything is simply unrealistic.

And based on my review of game-tape, Andre Carter is beating OTs on the edge. When he gets around the edge, however, the QBs aren't where they would be if the DTs were getting pressure. Perhaps your seeing something different and, if so, maybe you are right. I just haven't seen the DTs getting any inside pressure.

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[QUOTE=Beemnseven;238537]Wow. So that's it? Andre Carter officially gets a pass because the defensive tackles aren't getting pressure?

What happened to the notion that Carter was supposed to provide some pressure of his own?[/QUOTE]

I think that a defensive end's performance and production is in fact, to a large extent, contingent upon the performance of the DTs. I think that is especially true when you are talking about a speed-rushing end who is trying to beat OTs around the edge.

I guess we'll have to see in the coming weeks. Hopefully, Griffin and Salave'a start getting inside pressure. If so, I'm confident Carter's production will increase. Perhaps I'll be proven wrong and you'll be proven right.

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ok, WHO is this Carter dude you guys keep talking about?

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[quote=Beemnseven;238537]Wow. So that's it? Andre Carter officially gets a pass because the defensive tackles aren't getting pressure?

What happened to the notion that Carter was supposed to provide some pressure of his own?[/quote]

I'm not giving him a free pass by any means, but the argument that the DTs aren't doing much to help holds merit.

He has done a better job in the past few weeks at creating some pressure.

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When you watched these previous games did you notice if what they are saying about him on the run is true?

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[quote=illdefined;238627]ok, WHO is this Carter dude you guys keep talking about?[/quote]
I think they mean Lavar Arrington

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Reasonable people can disagree, I guess. Certainly, Griffin and Salave'a aren't getting the penetration they once did. But when the defensive tackles are creating havoc and exploding through the center of the line, then they'd be the one with more sacks, not the ends. Throughout the league though, that isn't typically the case. D-ends have always collected more sacks.

Not only that, in a 4-3 defensive alignment, defensive tackles are taking on three blockers, while the ends are generally only matched up against one each.

Either way, the word now is that Andre Carter was probably better suited for linebacker, the position he was moved to in San Francisco. Looks like that was right. I can tell you this -- when checking Carter's stats after he signed here, and realizing that he averaged 4.5 sacks a year over his career, no one, including me, anticipated a "monster" coming for the quarterback. But this front office apparently did.

But he isn't even an [I]occasional[/I] threat to the QB. And I'm not expecting any sort of miraculous explosion through the line from Griffin and Salave'a, either. From the very beginning, I viewed Salave'a as a stop-gap; a nice find who'd be good in rotation, but now he's a permanent starter, and we're witnessing about what I expected from him. Griffin was a pleasant surprise in year one as a Redskin coming off a so-so career in New York. Sooner or later, he was going to need help, and a dropoff from him was inevitable.

I just wish Gibbs, Snyder and Cerrato saw that.

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[quote=Sheriff Gonna Getcha;238356]Kinda like your 1st round pick Bobby Carpenter. How's he doing? What about Fabini? I heard he's really shored up your O-line about as much as Marcellus Wiley helped out your Dline.[/quote]


Well, Carpenter is not a bust, we didn't know that G. Ellis was going to pan out the way he did at linebacker. The way I see it, he is going to contribute in a couple of years.

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[quote=Vaquero;238724]Well, Carpenter is not a bust, we didn't know that G. Ellis was going to pan out the way he did at linebacker. The way I see it, he is going to contribute in a couple of years.[/quote]
On a side-note about Carpenter I heard somewhere that Parcells liked Lawson better as a prospect but picked Carpenter because he is more pro-ready and you guys want to win now. Know anything about this and where I can read more about it?

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[quote=Rexi;238736]On a side-note about Carpenter I heard somewhere that Parcells liked Lawson better as a prospect but picked Carpenter because he is more pro-ready and you guys want to win now. Know anything about this and where I can read more about it?[/quote]

Not on a Redskins site.

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let me say this one more time...i think i have posted this at least three times...i think SF was on to something by trying to convert carter to a LB. Flozell owned AC in game one. i hope i am wrong about carter but there is only so far you can go on your father's coat tails. because at this point thats what he is riding daddy's coat tails. he, AC, has one good season in his career period.

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then lets zone blitz on carters side, and let him drop back into coverage. we desperately need pressure on the QB today