At what point would a skins fan be justified in calling for Gibbs' resignation?
 

I understand the need for continuity in coaching staff and players, but our offense in Gibbs 2.0 has been pi$$ poor for the most part. We love Gibbs for what he accomplished in his first stint and honor him for it, but to not have an offensive identity (other than the 5yd dink and dump pass on 3rd and 13) for over two years is clearly Gibbs' fault. Gibbs can still manage people well, but what if this team fails to make the playoffs next year? Are we then justified in calling for his head? 4 years with a losing record in 3 of them and a bunch of aging overpaid vets is reason enough to get anybody canned.

Gibbs got all the players he wanted to make a championship run last year and this year. He picked an aging vet QB and stuck with him, negating all the young talent we have at WR and TE. Buges has underachieved with our offensive line.

He sure has picked a bunch of nice high character guys that won't implode on a team, but you can't claim that as a victory when the goal was to reach the super bowl. Brunell and others saying anything short of the super bowl this year would be a disappointment????!! What gave them the idea at the beginning of the year that we were going to be good enough to reach anywhere near the SB?

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I'll be called a "yes man" for sure, but I really believe there are some people who have the right-however frustrating it may be for people-to decide when they want to leave. Dean Smith, Bobby Cox, Greg Popovich, Bobby Bowden, Joe Gibbs, to name a few.

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I respect that and can see that right being extended to legends in College Sports (e.g., Joe Pa, Bowden, Dean Smith, etc), but in pro sports?

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[quote=TAFKAS;245626]I'll be called a "yes man" for sure, but I really believe there are some people who have the right-however frustrating it may be for people-to decide when they want to leave. Dean Smith, Bobby Cox, Greg Popovich, Bobby Bowden, Joe Gibbs, to name a few.[/quote]

Mark me down as a yes man too.

It goes beyond Gibbs though for me, I'm just tired of coaching changes. Gibbs can have his 5 years before I'll make my ultimate judgement on his 2nd stint.

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I'm a yes man.
How many coaches take perennial losing sports franchises and turn them to winning in 3 years? Or ever? I might also point out that without Gibbs we are the............the Bengals..............the Cardinals. We are record setters of 73-0, and one SB lost.
It is indeed a disgrace this thread was started

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Never!

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I'd give him a 4th season. If he can't field an offense after that, there will be no need to call for his firing as he will resign. Gibbs is smart and knows that if he can't get it done, he'll leave out of his love for the organization.

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Im not a yes man, but Im patient with coaches. I feel 3 years is the magic number. If you don't have it working by then, something may be wrong. If Gibbs goes through another year like this one next year. Time to let GWill take the ship over.

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Not again!!! Please make it STOP!

If you don't like Gibbs, go be a Cowboys fan.

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I don't think it's a disgrace that this thread was started, it's a very legit question. Fact of the matter is, if Joe Gibbs' name was...oh, Nick Saban or Mike Tice, or Herm Edwards....this would the put up or shut up year.

It's funny that when Gibbs returned one of the very first things to come out of his mouth was that the past doesn't really buy you much. I do think he's running on borrowed time and reputation here.

That being said, I think he needs to stay and ride out the bumps. Not because he's Joe Gibbs, but for the sake of avoiding another coaching upheaval.

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The point at which Gibbs is caught late night at the Watergate Hotel handing over Saunder's 700 page playbook to 31 represenatatives of the other NFL franchises late at night wearing a diaper and covered in peanut butter and Hershey's Chocolate Magic Shell. At that point a fan would be justified in calling for his resignation.

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[quote=hesscl34;245659]Not again!!! Please make it STOP!

If you don't like Gibbs, go be a Cowboys fan.[/quote]


It's not about 'liking' Gibbs? It's about the Redskins...no one is questioning Gibbs loyalty or love for this team, that's very clear.

Bottom line, the success and failure starts with Joe Gibbs, and if that's the case, then this is a very valid thread.

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if he pulled Campbell after 19 minutes of play for [He Whom Shall Not Be Named].

other than that unlikely scenario, who the HELL could even hold Gibbs jock leading the Redskins? i mean he's human, he ISN'T God - contrary to half of Warpath's poster handles - he clearly has flaws, but even those are mostly of the good kind (loyalty etc.). and those are overshadowed by his qualities.

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[quote=illdefined;245665]if he pulled Campbell after 19 minutes of play for [He Whom Shall Not Be Named].

other than that unlikely scenario, who the HELL could even hold Gibbs jock leading the Redskins? i mean he's human, he ISN'T God - contrary to half of Warpath's poster handles - he clearly has flaws, but even those are mostly of the good kind (loyalty etc.) but they are way overshadowed by his qualities.[/quote]

Exactly, Ill. For the record, I love Joe Gibbs and what he's done for this town. He came in and restored respectability to this franchise and a sense of pride to the city about their team. But this notion that Gibbs is infallable, is beyond me.

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[quote=12thMan;245660]I don't think it's a disgrace that this thread was started, it's a very legit question. Fact of the matter is, if Joe Gibbs' name was...oh, Nick Saban or Mike Tice, or Herm Edwards....this would the put up or shut up year.

It's funny that when Gibbs returned one of the very first things to come out of his mouth was that the past doesn't really buy you much. I do think he's running on borrowed time and reputation here.

That being said, I think he needs to stay and ride out the bumps. Not because he's Joe Gibbs, but for the sake of avoiding another coaching upheaval.[/quote]

You are entitled to your own opinion. Fact is those guys bascially are unproven, Joe is???????? Redskins are who without him? Working on Spurrier 2, or 3? Has there been mistakes made? Without a doubt. What do you judge the tunaround time for LONGTIME losing franchises to be? Do you think he has delivered success's of note in his Joe2 tenure? Sweeping Cboys, playoffs??? These sound familiar?

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[quote=12thMan;245669]Exactly, Ill. For the record, I love Joe Gibbs and what he's done for this town. He came in and restored respectability to this franchise and a sense of pride to the city about their team. But this notion that Gibbs is infallable, is beyond me.[/quote]

I personally have not read any post suggesting Gibbs is infallible. I do however, seriously question your ability to accurately assess his accomplishments, lack thereof, or his ability to deliver them.

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[quote=Hog1;245670]You are entitled to your own opinion. Fact is those guys bascially are unproven, Joe is???????? Redskins are who without him? Working on Spurrier 2, or 3? Has there been mistakes made? Without a doubt. What do you judge the tunaround time for LONGTIME losing franchises to be? Do you think he has delivered success's of note in his Joe2 tenure? Sweeping Cboys, playoffs??? These sound familiar?[/quote]

True. I just threw out those names as examples, not really to compare them to Gibbs' success. I mean, who else has an active winning percentage better than Gibbs...maybe Bellichek?

Funny you threw out Spurrier? I think had we kept either Marty Shott...or maybe held on to Marvin Lewis long enough to make him head coach, it's possible we're not even discussing Gibbs.

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We let the wrong coach go when Marvin Lewis was here.

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[quote=Hog1;245672]I personally have not read any post suggesting Gibbs is infallible. I do however, seriously question your ability to accurately assess his accomplishments, lack thereof, or his ability to deliver them.[/quote]

I have personally read some, in fact many, that certainly suggest he's beyond reproach, that's for damn sure.

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Now Marvin is stuck in Cincy with a bunch of misfit juvenilles. I think in hindsight, no knock on Gibbs, his temperment would have meshed well with the current set of players we have.

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If there is one thing this team needs desperately it is stability. Gibbs 2.0 has not been too bad this time around and changing coaches wont change anything.

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[quote=12thMan;245677]Now Marvin is stuck in Cincy with a bunch of misfit juvenilles. I think in hindsight, no knock on Gibbs, his temperment would have meshed well with the current set of players we have.[/quote]

He's built that team full of felons though.

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i am probably as displeasd with gibbs as anybody (for many reason- one being the hiring of saunders), but asking for his resignation is not the way too go. washington has been riddled with coaching changes, we need a constant. gibbs is that constant. let him remain...bring back all the coaches, give them the opp to finish what they started. takes a few years for people to learn systems....
its going to be hard enough on JC next year- lets not make him learn a new system.

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I will always be a yes man for Joe Gibbs no matter what. He deserves nothing less than to honor his five year contract. I tend to be more patient with coaches like Joe Gibbs for a couple reasons: First reason is obvious in the fact that he is a proven leader and has had alot of success as an NFL head coach. Second reason is that I am tired of this coaching carousel. It has proven nothing for us in the past decade and a half, except to stunt any growth that this team might have had.

I truly believe that lack of patience is what has hurt this team in the past. Owners, coaches, and fans alike need to learn that in this era of instant gradification, we have to relearn patience. Gibbs isn't God, he's human like everybody else. I believe he has tried to do exactly what is needed for this team. It just hasn't happened exactly the way he had hoped.

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I agree, Irish. The only point I'm making is failure is failure whether we're talking about Joe Gibbs or the newest coach in the NFL. And I think it's possible that we sometimes become jaded by past success or reputation when dealing with certain individuals that we've endeared ourselves to.

I'm not advocating a switch by any means.

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[quote]I truly believe that lack of patience is what has hurt this team in the past.[/quote]

I agree here, which is why Im wary of Joe Gibbs. He's in win now mode, not build for the future mode. Something we're not ready to do yet. I think he's a solid head coach, but he's right around a middle of the pack coach in this day and age. He's certainly not a top 10 coach anymore.

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I will never turn my back on Joe Gibbs.

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[quote=Daseal;245683]I agree here, which is why Im wary of Joe Gibbs. He's in win now mode, not build for the future mode. Something we're not ready to do yet. I think he's a solid head coach, but he's right around a middle of the pack coach in this day and age. He's certainly not a top 10 coach anymore.[/quote]

I disagree, drafting Campbell was done with an eye on the future, which is now thankfully.

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I agree 12th, if his name was Joe Dibbs he'd be gone. He's getting whatever benefit of the doubt he's getting because of what he's done in the past, because what he's done currently is not any better than OBC did.

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[QUOTE=skinsguy;245681]I will always be a yes man for Joe Gibbs no matter what. He deserves nothing less than to honor his five year contract. [/QUOTE]

I don't disagree. He's got the job as long as he wants it. One thing we cannot, ever do is remove the HOF title in front of his name. I suspect this is his last year. Two disapointments sandwiching a PO year are the final chapters in the HOF Coach Gibbs legacy.

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I'm a fan who will be willing to let Joe Gibbs make that decision for himself. After all, that's what legends do.

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I don't think the fans have the right to call for his resignation but if you disagree with the direction of the team we all have a vote.

Refuse to purchase tickets and merchandise and if you are a season ticket holder, go out of your way to sell your tickets to opposing fans. That should get Snyder's attention.

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I've been critical of some of Gibbs' calls as head coach, but I think it's far too soon to be calling for his resignation. He adopted a franchise that has been handled poorly, from the top down, for the previous decade. He should be given at least the length of his contract to try and right the ship.

But I also think there's only a 50/50 shot of him still being the head coach next season, and Campbell could be the determining factor. If Campbell shows potential, I could see Gibbs coming back and trying to build from the positives. If Campbell completely flops, Gibbs might just decide he's had enough, and hang it up.

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[QUOTE=Daseal;245658]Im not a yes man, but Im patient with coaches. I feel 3 years is the magic number. If you don't have it working by then, something may be wrong. If Gibbs goes through another year like this one next year. Time to let GWill take the ship over.[/QUOTE]

That's what scares me. While I'll have no problem with Gibbs' decision to leave after another disgraceful performance on offense next season, I'm not sold on Greg Williams as a Head Coach and personnel evaluator. Each year, we have let core guys walk on defense walk away and have paid the price. Pierce, Smoot, Ryan Clark - heck even some of the lesser known folks like Ron Warner could've helped this team right now. Williams was key in getting Carter and AA here, and both have been huge busts. S Taylor is regressing each week.

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[QUOTE=12thMan;245674]True. I just threw out those names as examples, not really to compare them to Gibbs' success. I mean, who else has an active winning percentage better than Gibbs...maybe Bellichek?

Funny you threw out Spurrier? I think had we kept either Marty Shott...or maybe held on to Marvin Lewis long enough to make him head coach, it's possible we're not even discussing Gibbs.[/QUOTE]

Dungy is the only active coach with a better winning percentage. If not for the wild success we had over the last five games there would have been no Super Bowl expectations. Think back over the past five years, what other coach brought that level of hope? Not saying that another coach couldn't, but I am saying that no other coach did it here. Turner, Schottenheimer and Spurrier were brought here to give the fan base hope.

There are no quick fixes, no dream free agents or draft picks who are going to come to Redskin Park and turn the skins around. Gibbs has a plan, he's won before, and I think he'll win it all again here in DC.

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[quote=Southpaw;245695]I've been critical of some of Gibbs' calls as head coach, but I think it's far too soon to be calling for his resignation. He adopted a franchise that has been handled poorly, from the top down, for the previous decade. He should be given at least the length of his contract to try and right the ship.

But I also think there's only a 50/50 shot of him still being the head coach next season, and Campbell could be the determining factor. If Campbell shows potential, I could see Gibbs coming back and trying to build from the positives. If Campbell completely flops, Gibbs might just decide he's had enough, and hang it up.[/quote]

I personally think Gibbs returns no matter what. And if he doesn't, it certainly won't have anything to do with Campbell succeeding or failing, after all we're only going to see him for seven games. That's hardly enough for Joe Gibbs to call it quits with 2 years remaining.

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[QUOTE=Southpaw;245695]If Campbell completely flops, Gibbs might just decide he's had enough, and hang it up.[/QUOTE]

If Campbell completely flops, that will be Gibbs' mistake since it was he who was instrumental in bringing Campbell here and rolling the dice on him (gifting all those draft picks to Denver) in the first place.

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[quote=memphisskin;245703]Dungy is the only active coach with a better winning percentage. If not for the wild success we had over the last five games there would have been no Super Bowl expectations. Think back over the past five years, what other coach brought that level of hope? Not saying that another coach couldn't, but I am saying that no other coach did it here. Turner, Schottenheimer and Spurrier were brought here to give the fan base hope.

There are no quick fixes, no dream free agents or draft picks who are going to come to Redskin Park and turn the skins around. Gibbs has a plan, he's won before, and I think he'll win it all again here in DC.[/quote]

Thanks, I forgot about Dungy. You are right, there are no quick fixes, however, Joe Gibbs has next year and the one after to do whatever he's going to do.

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It is all about the rings on Gibbs hands.

As a result, there is only one person who is in a position to call for Joe Gibbs to resign:

Mrs. Gibbs.

Dan Snyder isn't going to. Some bitter reporters and talk show hosts might, but who cares.

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[quote=RiggoRules;245707]It is all about the rings on Gibbs hands.

As a result, there is only one person who is in a position to call for Joe Gibbs to resign:

Mrs. Gibbs.

Dan Snyder isn't going to. Some bitter reporters and talk show hosts might, but who cares.[/quote]

From what I've read so far, or at least in this thread, no one here is calling for him to resign.