Cutting Archuleta & The Salary Cap
 

Great post from Jason LaCanfora on the WP's blog. Looks like Arch is going to be with us for quite some time.

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well...maybe if the rest of the D didn't suck so bad, and the offense could put up points, he wouldn't be such a glaring weakness...its unfortunate that we have to pay him, but maybe we can start to figure out ways to use him to his strengths...ie, cleaning jerseys, mopping, lifting heavy rocks and such

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no surprise there, i mean, you give a guy 10$mill in guarantees, and he's going to end up with at least 10$mill before he leaves.

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Dont worry me and a group of friends are taking care of him, we are working out the details right now of kidnapping him and sending him to ubekistan, founding and donations would be apreciated thx

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Can't he like give some of the money back or agree to take a pay cut?

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[QUOTE=Redskin;246840]Dont worry me and a group of friends are taking care of him, we are working out the details right now of kidnapping him and sending him to ubekistan, founding and donations would be apreciated thx[/QUOTE]

The uzbeks are liars and cheats, they not keep him unless you send them 20 gallons fermented horse urine and 40 pounds of pubis.

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[quote]Can't he like give some of the money back or agree to take a pay cut?[/quote]

Would you?

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I'm still hoping that our "genius" coaching staff figures out a way to utilize the skills of this player which Lovie Smith wanted really bad for the Bears. He has something to offer, we just have to get it out of him.

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because of lavar giving money back, the new cba contains rules to prevent that from happening in the future (oh yeah, and they suspended lavar's agent for an entire year for doing that too). so that's a no-go.

If he gets kidnapped or killed, i believe we're still on the books for the guaranteed money, so the uzbeks really can't help us there :(.

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I don't think he is too happy here playing in this defense. So perhaps we can work someting out with Chicago and get him outta here. But then that would probably mean leaving Arch leaving $ on the table and that's not going to happen.

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[quote=That Guy;246861]because of lavar giving money back, the new cba contains rules to prevent that from happening in the future (oh yeah, and they suspended lavar's agent for an entire year for doing that too). so that's a no-go.

If he gets kidnapped or killed, i believe we're still on the books for the guaranteed money, so the uzbeks really can't help us there :(.[/quote]

Damn. He can always restructure can't he? He might be a team oriented guy.

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[quote=Jason72;246856]I'm still hoping that our "genius" coaching staff figures out a way to utilize the skills of this player which Lovie Smith wanted really bad for the Bears. He has something to offer, we just have to get it out of him.[/quote]

Yeah. I talked with a Rams fan the other day who doesn't follow the skins. He was saying that we took one of thier best defensive players and thought he would be doing great for us.

We are not using him right.

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we are stuck with that bum. he needs to play linebacker. doesnt have the speed for coverage. everytime he comes in the game he is going to be thrown at unless he blitzs. thanks for the great contract structure...dont know who to think first the danny or gibbs?

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well actually there is maybe something we can do...we did eat all of LC's money when we traded him. maybe shop a trade and take the loss to unload him. Troy vincent who has been here what a month has taken AA's job? how much clearer does it have to be???

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if we ever did manage to bring in or develop a shut-down corner he'd probably be of greater value. maybe once ST gets a little better in coverage...

dont get me wrong ST is great but he still has the occasional lapse.

anyways if one or both of those things happen maybe he can get back out there.

oh, he could also work on his coverage skills. hell if i were the highest paid safety benched in place of some old vet, i would def start working double time to get with the program.

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I think he faced a big adjustment coming into this defensive system, bigger than anyone had anticipated. With the loss of Prioleau he was forced into playing alot more coverage than Williams had planned, and before you know it AA's confidence was shot.

Williams needs to find a way to build this guy back up since it looks like we're stuck with him for the short term.

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I do think cutting AA is a possibility (albeit an expensive one).

A post-June 1 cut would count $1.833M in 2007 and $7.167M in 2008. While that is a big deadcap hit to take in 2008 it wouldn't be the first time.

I've always theorized that the Skins allocate a certain percentage of their cap to deadcap each year. This year we had Lavar's $7.5M+ deadcap hit and a total of over $16M in deadcap. Last year we had Coles' $9M deadcap hit and nearly $20M in total deadcap.

Right now we have less than $1M in deadcap in 2007 and that just doesn't sound right for a Skins team. Even if we cut Arch and took his full $9M deadcap hit in 2007, we'd still be "ahead" of the game in Skins terms. Plus the salary cap keeps rising every year making the deadcap portion smaller in percentage terms.

Personally I hope they find some use for this guy. I wouldn't mind giving him a shot at LB (as others have suggested) since we are weak there and he can't cover anyways. But if he really can't fit here I think we should cut him next year, take the full $9M deadcap in 2007, and start rebuilding for 2008.

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[quote=Sheriff Gonna Getcha;246850]The uzbeks are liars and cheats, they not keep him unless you send them 20 gallons fermented horse urine and 40 pounds of pubis.[/quote]

loll

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[quote=GoSkins!;246894]Yeah. I talked with a Rams fan the other day who doesn't follow the skins. He was saying that we took one of thier best defensive players and thought he would be doing great for us.

We are not using him right.[/quote]

That's bullcrap! I live in St. Louis. I can tell you for a fact, St. Louisans were laughing when the Skins paid Arch the bank. The concensus was that he couldn't cover and since his neck injury, he wasn't tackling aggressively anymore. I've repeatedly posted how this was a bad move. I only wish I had Gibbs and Snyder's phone number because when I first heard the rumor the Skins were going to sign Archuletta, I was screaming NNOOOOOOOOOOO! I wish I was wrong, but Arch is even more washed up than I thought.

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They shoud'nt cut A.A. if u want my opinion they should cut GW send
him back to NASCAR

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[QUOTE=CrazyCanuck;247117]I do think cutting AA is a possibility (albeit an expensive one).

A post-June 1 cut would count $1.833M in 2007 and $7.167M in 2008. While that is a big deadcap hit to take in 2008 it wouldn't be the first time.

I've always theorized that the Skins allocate a certain percentage of their cap to deadcap each year. This year we had Lavar's $7.5M+ deadcap hit and a total of over $16M in deadcap. Last year we had Coles' $9M deadcap hit and nearly $20M in total deadcap.

Right now we have less than $1M in deadcap in 2007 and that just doesn't sound right for a Skins team. Even if we cut Arch and took his full $9M deadcap hit in 2007, we'd still be "ahead" of the game in Skins terms. Plus the salary cap keeps rising every year making the deadcap portion smaller in percentage terms.

Personally I hope they find some use for this guy. I wouldn't mind giving him a shot at LB (as others have suggested) since we are weak there and he can't cover anyways. But if he really can't fit here I think we should cut him next year, take the full $9M deadcap in 2007, and start rebuilding for 2008.[/QUOTE]

Good post. I agree that we should cut him next year, if he can't work out this year. I mean, he's going to take up cap space whether he's here or not ... may as well get someone who can at least start.

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[quote=mooby;246869]Damn. He can always restructure can't he? He might be a team oriented guy.[/quote]

restructure usually means converting current or future base salary into signing bonus, which would only make things worse (cap wise). his base salary for his first three years is basically vet minimum anyways, so there's nothing to move.

and we can't shop him. his contract is horrible except as a 2 year vet min deal with a guarantee to dump him afterwards (instead of paying 4+mill a year) and having him have no real reason to play at all, money-wise. besides, he can't find a spot on the #30 defense and has been embarrassed weekly, so he has ZERO trade value.

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CC: taking that big a hit might kill any chance to improve the team (ONE useful draft pick)... that's the problem with the credit car mentality though. It's always tempting to just keep pushing the payments down the road.

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[QUOTE=That Guy;247184]CC: taking that big a hit might kill any chance to improve the team (ONE useful draft pick)... that's the problem with the credit car mentality though. It's always tempting to just keep pushing the payments down the road.[/QUOTE]

I agree, no one wants deadcap. But considering we currently have hardly any deadcap for 2007, I do think cutting AA is a possibility and probably wouldn't be the end of the world.

If the guy can't see the field on the 30th ranked D, what's gonna happen in 2-3 years from now? If there's no future with this guy let's cut him, take the hit, and move on.

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[QUOTE=hail_2_da_skins;247159]That's bullcrap! I live in St. Louis. I can tell you for a fact, St. Louisans were laughing when the Skins paid Arch the bank. The concensus was that he couldn't cover and since his neck injury, he wasn't tackling aggressively anymore. I've repeatedly posted how this was a bad move. I only wish I had Gibbs and Snyder's phone number because when I first heard the rumor the Skins were going to sign Archuletta, I was screaming NNOOOOOOOOOOO! I wish I was wrong, but Arch is even more washed up than I thought.[/QUOTE]

It's like Bill Simmons says: every team needs a VP of Common Sense. If the Skin's FO had just talked to a group of St Louis fans they probably wouldn't have paid Adam Abercrombie so damn much.

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Cut his ass now. He is horrible. I dont ever want to see him on the field again.

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[QUOTE=That Guy;247182]restructure usually means converting current or future base salary into signing bonus, which would only make things worse (cap wise). his base salary for his first three years is basically vet minimum anyways, so there's nothing to move.

and we can't shop him. his contract is horrible except as a 2 year vet min deal with a guarantee to dump him afterwards (instead of paying 4+mill a year) and having him have no real reason to play at all, money-wise. besides, he can't find a spot on the #30 defense and has been embarrassed weekly, so he has ZERO trade value.[/QUOTE]

I agree there is nothing we can do here in terms of restructuring.

However I do think trading him is a real possibility. Any team that traded for him would only be responsible for the salary portion of his contract. He'll make the vet min for 2007 and "only" $1M in 2008. Plus the acquiring team could cut him at anytime with no repercussions.

So from a financial standpoint I think AA is an attractive trade target. Of course there is also the football side of things and he might just be bad enough that no one wants him. But if we're gonna cut him anyways why not try to get something in return?

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[quote=T.O.Killa;247175]They shoud'nt cut A.A. if u want my opinion they should cut Joe Gibbs send
him back to NASCAR[/quote]

I think they have an entire forum room dedicated to your lot at ES. Or you could just become Offiss's understudy.

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[quote=CrazyCanuck;247214]I agree there is nothing we can do here in terms of restructuring.

However I do think trading him is a real possibility. Any team that traded for him would only be responsible for the salary portion of his contract. He'll make the vet min for 2007 and "only" $1M in 2008. Plus the acquiring team could cut him at anytime with no repercussions.

So from a financial standpoint I think AA is an attractive trade target. Of course there is also the football side of things and he might just be bad enough that no one wants him. But if we're gonna cut him anyways why not try to get something in return?[/quote]

I like the idear of trading him, but you bring up a good point. Who wants him now? I mean maybe teams that are playing 3-4, and they could somehow utilize him. I am not sure if Chicago would want him anymore.

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3-4s generally use bigger outside linebackers, not smaller ones.

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I think Archuletta will improve next year. No way he is really this bad. Nobody on our D is really playing well. There is no point in cutting him. Even if he doesn't play much next year, which I don't think will happen, I'd rather have a good backup for $1.5 million or w/e than nobody for like $8 million.

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I say suck it up and find a way to use him. If Williams truly is a genius he should be able to turn chicken sh!t into chicken salad. Archuletta has skills, he can tackle and is very fast. There has to be a role for him.

There is nothing worse than cutting a guy, continuing to pay him and then he lines up against you.

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[quote=T.O.Killa;247175]They shoud'nt cut A.A. if u want my opinion they should cut Joe Gibbs send
him back to NASCAR[/quote]

WoWo that statement pisses me off and i dont know why, maybe its cuase your a fucking prick ass bitch get off this site damnit if i ever see you post again ill ill ill bitch and moan and take out the Tail pipe

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[QUOTE=Redskin;247284]WoWo that statement pisses me off and i dont know why, maybe its cuase your a fucking prick ass bitch get off this site damnit if i ever see you post again ill ill ill bitch and moan and take out the Tail pipe[/QUOTE]

It's the same thing I was thinking (more or less) when I read that initial post. But best to ignore the post and not acknowledge his existence here. He's just here to troll, he'll go away soon

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[quote=T.O.Killa;247175]They shoud'nt cut A.A. if u want my opinion they should cut Joe Gibbs send
him back to NASCAR[/quote]

Stupid is as stupid does....................Forest

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i say eat the the money and cut our losses with AA before June 1st.

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the more i think about this along with AA heading to the chopping block...how about andre carter? is it too soon to call him a bust? better yet when will the skins wake up and realize he (AC) is playing out of position. again as i have posted in the past...AC needs to play linebacker. If Ellis for the boys can convert so can AC

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[quote=vaoutlaws2006;247336]the more i think about this along with AA heading to the chopping block...how about andre carter? is it too soon to call him a bust? better yet when will the skins wake up and realize he (AC) is playing out of position. again as i have posted in the past...AC needs to play linebacker. If Ellis for the boys can convert so can AC[/quote]

Carter may beginning to find his groove. Have to figure out how to use AA. Were stuck with him for now

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I know he is stinking it up this year, but lets give the guy a chance. He has a lot of tools, speed , size , can tackle very well. and the guys works really hard. he was rushed in here, given the keys and really didn't have any idea of what to do. I think during the offseason, another preseason, he will be just fine. This time next year everyone will be talking about us having the best safety tandem in the league.