Who got the better of the Portis/Bailey trade?
 

I was thinking about this today as Portis went on IR for the year. I believe Denver got the better half on this one. Didn't they get a 2nd rounder too? If anyone out there knows who this players is I'd like to know. For the life of me I still can not believe that Snyder did not pay this guy. I know Champ told the media he hated the constant change but somehow we should have kept this guy. As much as I like Portis, this is another move we should not have made. Great cover corners are just too hard to find and we are sure paying for it now.

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Yeah it sucks now, but what were you saying last year???

Portis was our main man and we made it into the playoffs, without coverage issues.

I am so sick of this crappy debate. It has already come up a couple times. Yeah corners are hard to find, but Portis is young, Champ is old. Portis can directly affect the score. Period, we got the better deal. You all would agree last year, dont let one year blind your judgement.

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Do we have to go through this again!?!?

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[quote=Redskins8588;247291]Do we have to go through this again!?!?[/quote]

I know this is so stupid, I hate when fans get so caught up in the moment they forget about how the trade has helped us.

I guess fans are like this everywhere...

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Minus the fact that until Portis we had Trung Candidate as our main RB, and with the second round pick that Denver got I beleived they drafted Tatum Bell. And boy he has ben tearing it up hasnt he...

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[quote=hooskins;247293]I know this is so stupid, I hate when fans get so caught up in the moment they forget about how the trade has helped us.

I guess fans are like this everywhere...[/quote]

Sorry. I'm a rookie to the site. But I'm not caught up in the moment. Yes I bough it up becasue Portis is hurt but I always believe (most of the time) that you try and keep defense over offense.

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This debate honestly makes me want to vomit.

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Wtf?

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[quote=Redskins8588;247294]Minus the fact that until Portis we had Trung Candidate as our main RB, and with the second round pick that Denver got I beleived they drafted Tatum Bell. And boy he has ben tearing it up hasnt he...[/quote]

My point is I would rather have kept the draft pick and Champ. That's all. Plus we drafted Betts so that 2nd rounder could have been used on o-line or d-line depth.

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[quote=skinsfan69;247295]Sorry. I'm a rookie to the site. But I'm not caught up in the moment. Yes I bough it up becasue Portis is hurt but I always believe (most of the time) that you try and keep defense over offense.[/quote]

This isnt a hit onto you. It doesnt have to do if you are a rookie or not. Its nothing personal, I got love for all skins fans. It's just this debate that kills me. It is all good and well to talk about defense, but you honestly never thought this was a problem the last couple years.

Our D was fine, with Smoot, Rogers, Springs. All the sudden it has struggled, and then this arguement comes up.

That is why I am sick of it. People are just looking for blame where there isnt any.

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He was also asking for alot of money and we had to look future. He is getting old now, doesnt have too many years left.

And despite what everyone is saying, Rogers IS getting better.

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trung candidate...enough said

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Denver won the trade because of the extra pick that turned into Bell. If it were even up CP for CB as it should have been I would call it a draw...

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Several years ago, I heard from a friend, who had a friend that knew Champ Bailey, that Champ Bailey said he was going to leave the Redskins when his contract was up. My reaction was, Bullshit! He's our top pick, etc.

Sure enough, when Champ's deal was up he basically forced a trade. I don't think he would have re-signed with us for any amount of money.

We were fortunate to get anything for him.

I think it was a 2nd round pick for Portis and the exclusive right to negotiate with Champ.

The draft is overrated. There are some teams who know how to pick good players. Many do not. I would trade any team's second round pick for Portis. I read about how the importance of the draft then think of Tim Couch, Akili Smith, Andre Ware, Blair Thomas, Gary Beban, etc...

There's no guarantee in the draft. I believe that consistent solid drafting is a solid way to build a team. But some teams will never get it done that way. Since George Allen, The Redskins haven't done it this way. There was a great draft early in the Gibbs/Beathard era (1981 - May,Grimm, Manley,Charlie Brown, Didier) that helped the Redskins to their glory years. But, for the most part, our teams were built with free agents or trades. Recently,when we have had picks we took Heath Shuler, Michael Westbrook, Rod Gardner,Patrick Ramsey, Taylor Jacobs and (sadly on this list) Lavar Arrington.

Let's hope the players we have drafted since Joe Gibbs returned (Sean Taylor, Chris Cooley, Carlos Rogers, Jason Campbell, Rocky McIntosh) fare better. From 1999 through 2003, The Skins had 32 draft picks (including 1st round 2,3 in 2000). Only 4 of those players are on the roster. We had picks. I think Taylor, Cooley and Rogers will be solid. I'm pulling hard for Jason Campbell. Rocky is a rookie. I don't feel like he's going to be a bust.

Some of the 'so called' smart teams (Patriots, Steelers) benefit from other teams stupidity and end up with Polamalu, Roethlisberger, Maroney and other players who drop while other teams pick Robert Gallery (insert bust here).

Redskins got someting for nothing.

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Gonna go back in time! Is it Throwback Thread Thursday?

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Its a wash. Straight Simple. You cant look soley at this year because Portis was hurt. Bailey didnt want to be here, Portis was an incredible addition to our team, end of story, cut and dry. The 2nd rounder is questionable but otherwise, its a wash. Bailey has been great for them, Portis great for us.

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at the time keeping champ was NOT an option, so the question was would you rather get portis? was someone else available? or would you end up with nothing?

once lavar got his money, champ was gone, and if we waited to long he wouldn't have had any trade value, since his contract would expire.

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[quote=hooskins;247299]That is why I am sick of it. People are just looking for blame where there isnt any.[/quote]So true...

Portis certainly has nothing to do with our failures. Well...he does, but only because he's hurt and has been hurt the entire season.

As for the trade, it was certainly a great one for Denver, and it's been a good one for us. Same as I expect the JC deal to be.

The great thing about trades in the NFL is that both teams can get a good deal. That's obviously not always the case (how happy do you think the Jets are to have Coles right now?), but in many cases, trades help both teams.

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there are some real bone heads on this site. even with giving a draft pick up to get CP we didnt get the short end of the stick with the trade. CP carried this team on his back last season. The last year bailey was here smoot outplayed him. PERIOD.

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Last year I thought the skins go thte better of the deal but this year it seems as if denver did so I guess that means on average the trade has been even.

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While Bailey is the best corner back in the league, he didn't want to be here. Portis has been exceptional for the Skins, busting his body time and time again for the team. He never quits on a play and puts his body on the line even if some of the schemes don't suit his style. The guy is an elite back who lays it out there for the team - what more could you ask for? How can you even question this?

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[quote=Redskins8588;247291]Do we have to go through this again!?!?[/quote]


my thoughts exactly. this is the 3rd year for this discussion. every time something goes good or bad with either one of these players, its who got the better deal. it is getting..no wait it is OLD.

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This one's easy. The assessment varies from year to year, but the whole impact from the won't be clear until after 5-6 years.
Last year, it seems that both teams got a good deal from the trade. This year on the other hand, it seems like Denver is up. Portis is on IR, and our secondary can't stop anyone. At this point, I'd give the edge to Denver considering they've gone deeper into the playoffs than us and they got a second round pick from the trade

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i don't know...i think gibbs misjudged Betts' talent- is portis our main stud? no question. is he dominant? i don't know- his average yards per carry isn't impressive (line issues...)
on the champ side, is he the best corner in the NFL? yes. are they tough to comeby? yes.

but lets look at it this way...without champ we were fine in coverage (last year) with a healthy springs, etc. without champ- denver's running game has sucked. that said, they win, we don't (consistently...)

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this thread makes me want to :vomit:

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Who got the better end of the deal?

Second guessers everywhere.

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Denver has running back issues right now, we have CB issues right now, which is more important, i guess it changes from case to case.

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Its is a done deal and an old one at that. If you live life looking back at things you did or should have done that will lead to a miserable life.

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I know a lot of people said that we had no option because Champ was going to leave here but I the Redskins could have franchised him and protected themselves that way by getting 2 first rounders for anyone wanting to sign him (or at least work out a deal if no team wanted to pony up 2 first rounder) - so the Redskins did have an option.

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i'd say it would be a wash except for the fact that, like you guys are saying, champ did not want to be here.

it's good we got something for him.

i like clinton portis enough that i just don't care about who technically got the better part of the deal.

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Too hard to tell. Champ didn't want to be here anymore. Granted I thought the 2nd round pick was way too high to toss in, its still a bit of a wash.

Portis is a great personallity and a solid RB. But really good CBs are a bit more rare in this league. I also doubt Champ would be playing to that level here in DC right now. But Portis would be looking like Barry Sanders up there in Denver =p

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[quote=Bill B;247398]I know a lot of people said that we had no option because Champ was going to leave here but I the Redskins could have franchised him and protected themselves that way by getting 2 first rounders for anyone wanting to sign him (or at least work out a deal if no team wanted to pony up 2 first rounder) - so the Redskins did have an option.[/quote]
If I'm correct if we made him a franchise player it would have made his cost to much for us with the salery cap issues.

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lmaoooooooooooooooo @ Throwback Thread Thursday!

>mixin' the TANG<

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[quote=skinsfan69;247288]I was thinking about this today as Portis went on IR for the year. I believe Denver got the better half on this one. Didn't they get a 2nd rounder too? If anyone out there knows who this players is I'd like to know. For the life of me I still can not believe that Snyder did not pay this guy. I know Champ told the media he hated the constant change but somehow we should have kept this guy. As much as I like Portis, this is another move we should not have made. Great cover corners are just too hard to find and we are sure paying for it now.[/quote]


I am a firm believer that if you have a choice of having a good "cover " corner back or a good running back, I would keep the corner back.

Running backs are a lot easier to get as opposed to a good corner that can cover. IMHO

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Denver used the trade to get Bailey and used to pick to get Tatum Bell (98% sure). So they came off a bit ahead with the best CB and a starting running back.

With free agency, teams can't [B]make[/B] player stay when they want to go. If someone dug deeper on exactly why Bailey and Lav Coles wanted to leave so badly, we might have a better idea of what's happening in the background. I'd like to know.

Clinton Portis is an elite back and the soul of the offense. He wants to be here. Can't say the Skins got the short end here.

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[quote=firstdown;247487]If I'm correct if we made him a franchise player it would have made his cost to much for us with the salery cap issues.[/quote]

This is correct. Honestly we both got a good deal, bc Champ didnt want to be here at all.

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i never liked the trade. portis is a good back, but he isn't our style of back, and he doesn't run like he used to. i saw a replay of him when he was at denver and when he got free he pulled away from people. now he gets caught from behind.champ bailey is a once in a decade type cb, maybe decade and a half. while portis is a good back.we could have had corey dillon cheap, kevin jones, steven jackson, even the man child from kc larry. kc wanted champ and if 30 mil reasons wasn't enough to get him to stay we could have traded him to kc and got larry and a draft pick. we should have walked away from denver when they said you give us champ and two. i appreciate portis and his heart but he is not and i repeat he is not our style of back aka bigger 225 to 235 pds bruiser with good speed.yes he did great last year and showed me heart, but he is not built to carry the ball that way.also it has been reported he doesn't care for this style of running game, but prefers the style that denver and atlanta have.is this trade the reason we find ourselver at 3-6 ? no !!. that is gibbs all alone. i firmly believe that he blew it all up when he brought in al saunders. yes, he's a great offensive coord. but we didn't need him. we went from 30th to 11 th for offense. we just needed some help at wr. we got that. this team had to fight soo hard to find it's formula for winning and get an identity, and then gibbs blows it all up by bringing in saunders.i just think he out thought himself, or he was getting a replacement.it's been disappointing at best, maddning to me.such high hopes for the year.this is a group of players, they still have not become a team yet.what a shame.but this my team , soo, where do i go?

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this is the same response i use when this thread is dug up, approx. every 2 weeks. BAILEY DIDNT WANT TO BE HERE. did everyone hear me?

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Seriously guys...Champ did NOT want to be here. He was not going to resign. He got franchised and traded. Exactly what he wanted. The Skins got one of the best backs in the league for the best corner in the league. They didn't have a #1 back on the roster and drafting guys is kinda hit or miss. Betts is very average.

Getting Clinton Portis was a great move. They essentially gave up a 2 to get this guy because there was no chance Champ was coming back. He made that very clear. He had no intention of being a Redskin the next season so they had to move him, that's what they did and they got a great back for him. It was a pretty even swap.

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Champ didn't want to be here because of the losing and the unstability of the skins.. My biggest concern is how long before our other good young players start to feel the same/