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ridexile 11-20-2006 06:13 PM

Positions
 
I dont know if any of these ideas have been mentioned before...I'm new. Sorry if they have been.

Adam Archuletta should be moved to LB next year if he doesnt learn how to cover (which is doubtful) The guy was leading the league in tackles before he got benched (or somewhere in the top 5, but he was leading all DB's), and he was decent at blitzing. All he has to do is put on a few pounds and he might do decent at LB.

Lemar Marshall should be moved to safety. I know this sounds crazy, and that is because it is, but I'm just throwing it out there as a remote possibility. Marshall was drafted as a safety, and does not have the physical presence needed of a MLB. I dont know how good he is at covering, how fast he is, or if he can fit the role of the safety. But I do know that he's not powerful enough to be a MLB, and he is ok at tackling.

Shawn Springs should not be moved to safety like everyone says he should, I dont know what happened in the 2nd half to make him have so many tackles this week, but before I fell asleep at halftime I saw him have at least 4 missed tackles.

Andre Carter should never become a linebacker again. He is way too slow and not powerful enough.

SmootSmack 11-20-2006 06:16 PM

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Well they've all been sporadically mentioned throughout the board, except the Marshal Plan.

Welcome to the board!

Bill B 11-20-2006 06:30 PM

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I think getting a middle LB and moving Marshall back to the outside makes the most sense - Marshall did well when he was on the outside.

Andre Carter is too small for DE and too slow for LB - he reminds me of the players the bullets used to have - a bunch a 6'5" swingman.

Archuletta is way too small for LB. I thought about that one too, but he would get blown off the ball by most Offensive Lineman in the NFL - can we say "pancake block". Unfortunately with Archuletta we have to wait a couple of years because cutting him after this season will kill our cap- same with Andre Carter.

This is why I am depressed about the Redskins - they are stuck with the free agent bust players they acquired due to salary cap ramifications/releasing fees and have no draft picks to replace them with.

I say trade down and acquire as many picks as you can get and hopefully 1 or 2 will pan out - but the front office like to trade draft picks like they are going out of style.

70Chip 11-20-2006 06:36 PM

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Bill B gets it right. LBers have to take on TEs and pulling guards. Arch would be flattened like Wiley Coyote. He didn't have to fight through blocks to make tackles from the safety position.

GTripp0012 11-20-2006 06:58 PM

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On review, it's not a good idea to have Sean Taylor and Adam Archuleta on the same team. They both have the exactly same flaws (liability in coverage, inconsistent tackler, etc). Taylor has more atleticism, giving him the slight edge over Arch as a player, but right now they are both hurting this team.

ridexile 11-20-2006 07:02 PM

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[quote=70Chip;249181]Bill B gets it right. LBers have to take on TEs and pulling guards. Arch would be flattened like Wiley Coyote. He didn't have to fight through blocks to make tackles from the safety position.[/quote]

The few time that I've seen Archuletta blitz and have to fight through the blocks, he's done a pretty good job, and the thing about him is he can tackle people from behind unlike most people...if he gets his hands on you, your not going to get away. And I know he's undersized for a LB, but think about this...

List of People that Archuletta is taller than- Zach Thomas, Al Wilson, Ian Gold, Earnie Simms, and Cato June. All he has to do is bulk up a little and I'm sure he'll be fine (well, at least better than Holdman).

Marshall obviously has to go, and assuming we dont get anymore LB's in the next offseason, Washington can move to MLB (a good physical presance) Archuletta can go to WLB, and McIntosh can move to SLB (assuming he's actually any good). I know this is all very unlikely, but nonetheless it's still a possibility.

GTripp0012 11-20-2006 07:05 PM

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[quote=ridexile;249200]The few time that I've seen Archuletta blitz and have to fight through the blocks, he's done a pretty good job, and the thing about him is he can tackle people from behind unlike most people...if he gets his hands on you, your not going to get away. And I know he's undersized for a LB, but think about this...

List of People that Archuletta is taller than- Zach Thomas, Al Wilson, Ian Gold, Earnie Simms, and Cato June. All he has to do is bulk up a little and I'm sure he'll be fine (well, at least better than Holdman).

Marshall obviously has to go, and assuming we dont get anymore LB's in the next offseason, Washington can move to MLB (a good physical presance) Archuletta can go to WLB, and McIntosh can move to SLB (assuming he's actually any good). I know this is all very unlikely, but nonetheless it's still a possibility.[/quote]I think our next MLB is going to come from the outside.

Lemar has to be moved back outside next season because we have to know what we have in him going into a contract year. If he moves back outside and still doesn't get it done, you simply don't resign him.

ridexile 11-20-2006 07:13 PM

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[quote=GTripp0012;249204]I think our next MLB is going to come from the outside.

Lemar has to be moved back outside next season because we have to know what we have in him going into a contract year. If he moves back outside and still doesn't get it done, you simply don't resign him.[/quote]

Lemar is getting old and is obviously worse than Washington, and we pretty much put all our eggs in McIntosh's baskett when we traded two 2nd round picks and a 6th rounder for him. So both OLB's are taken up, so Lemar has to go, and we don't want to hold on to him for him to be a shitty MLB next year or a backup OLB when we can trade him for at least a 5th round pick, maybe higher, I mean he's not a bad player, he's just not a good MLB, so he has to fit into someone's defensive scheme.

#56fanatic 11-21-2006 01:15 PM

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Arch would not be a good option at LB. he is too small to fight off the blocks of 300 lb guards and tackles. we need him to study, learn the D and just play ball. The guy has all the tools to be very good in this D. He and Taylor could form a very good tandem. Marshall and holdman need to go. Holdman definately, Marshall may just be having a down year. the philly game, the NFL stats had him at zero tackles. (that may have changed) but for a MLB to have zero tackles in a game where they ran for all most 200 yards, that speaks volumes. And I dont want to hear about the D line being crappy. We all know that, but good MLB find ways to make plays. Urlacher, Lewis, Pierce, trotter all seem to make plays. I know they have decent d lines, but seriously, marshall is just not making the plays.

724Skinsfan 11-21-2006 01:34 PM

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If Holdman sucks at OLB and MLB, and Marshall sucks at MLB but is decent/good at OLB. Why not improve at least improve one of those positions by moving Marshall to the outside. Surely there is one linebacker on the team that can play a serviceable MLB if Marshall gets moved.

Sheriff Gonna Getcha 11-21-2006 01:44 PM

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I'm not so sure that Marshall is such a bad MLB. In fact, I think he's quite good. He's had a bum ankle and is having a down year, but who isn't?

skinsfan69 11-21-2006 01:47 PM

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[quote=GTripp0012;249204]I think our next MLB is going to come from the outside.

Lemar has to be moved back outside next season because we have to know what we have in him going into a contract year. If he moves back outside and still doesn't get it done, you simply don't resign him.[/quote]

We need a playmaker on the weakside. Someone to cause some havoc and that's not Marshall. He needs to be a nickel LB/ teams player and that's it. We are trying to get too much out of someone who is already playing out of position.

cpayne5 11-21-2006 01:51 PM

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Everyone keeps saying "Archuleta is too small." Here are some facts...

Archuleta would be the smallest LB on the team if moved there, BUT the weight difference isn't nearly as great as you people want to believe. He would be 4 pounds lighter than 98 and only 13 lighter than 57.

Sheriff Gonna Getcha 11-21-2006 01:54 PM

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[QUOTE=skinsfan69;249553]We need a playmaker on the weakside. Someone to cause some havoc and that's not Marshall. He needs to be a nickel LB/ teams player and that's it. We are trying to get too much out of someone who is already playing out of position.[/QUOTE]

Marshall's made some damn nice plays for us over the past two seasons. I'd say he was one of our biggest playmakers on defense last season.
-4 INTs (1 for TD against OAK)
-2 sacks
-2 FF
-1 PD leading to Marcus Washington INT against Dallas

MTK 11-21-2006 02:04 PM

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[quote=Sheriff Gonna Getcha;249558]Marshall's made some damn nice plays for us over the past two seasons. I'd say he was one of our biggest playmakers on defense last season.
-4 INTs (1 for TD against OAK)
-2 sacks
-2 FF
-1 PD leading to Marcus Washington INT against Dallas[/quote]

Exactly, he's proven he can ball.

Right now we could look at everyone on this D as expendable, but we really can't blow it all up and start over. We just need some serious fine tuning and guys like Marshall will get back on track.

The Zimmermans 11-21-2006 02:07 PM

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Marshall is fine, we just need him at OLB i think

Sheriff Gonna Getcha 11-21-2006 02:08 PM

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[QUOTE=Mattyk72;249565]Right now we could look at everyone on this D as expendable, but we really can't blow it all up and start over. We just need some serious fine tuning and guys like Marshall will get back on track.[/QUOTE]

Yup, there isn't a single player on D who someone could say is indispensible. I just don't understand this whole, "blow up the whole roster, everyone sucks, i hate ____, f ______." Unfortunately, you don't get to hit the "reset" button in the NFL. We've tried blowing up our roster in the past and it's gotten us exactly where we are. I say work with what you've got and make a few [B]minor [/B]adjustments to scheme and personnel.

freddyg12 11-21-2006 02:11 PM

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I thought Marshall had shoulder surgery in the off season too. I think B. Maas mentioned that Sunday. He hasn’t looked the same as last year, but before we are ready for a new Mlb, remember that in this D, he calls the plays. I think we’ll have to hope that Marshall will get better. K. Campbell looks good at times, but wasn’t that good when he filled in as a starter. Who knows, maybe he can win the job in camp.

MTK 11-21-2006 02:13 PM

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Regarding AA, let's remember that he's had major problems learning this D from his natural safety spot. Now some people want him to switch positions and start all over again?? No thanks.

Sheriff Gonna Getcha 11-21-2006 02:20 PM

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[QUOTE=Mattyk72;249571]Regarding AA, let's remember that he's had major problems learning this D from his natural safety spot. Now some people want him to switch positions and start all over again?? No thanks.[/QUOTE]

I was thinking the same thing Matty. But, I simply don't know what we are going to do about him. We can't afford to cut him. We can't afford to keep him as a backup safety. So, what are we to do with him? I would not greet moving him to OLB with any enthusiasm, but I don't like the status quo either.

Sheriff Gonna Getcha 11-21-2006 02:23 PM

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I wouldn't tinker with any of the [I]starting[/I] personnel on offense. I do, however, think we need to start building young depth on the O-line (a backup RT who can eventually replace Jansen, for example). I also think we need to find a good blocking TE.

On defense, I think anyone can make the case to add a #2 corner, perhaps a SS, a DT, a DE, and an OLB. But, I would oppose adding more than 3 starters on D and would like to keep it to 2 new starters if possible.

MTK 11-21-2006 02:41 PM

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[quote=Sheriff Gonna Getcha;249572]I was thinking the same thing Matty. But, I simply don't know what we are going to do about him. We can't afford to cut him. We can't afford to keep him as a backup safety. So, what are we to do with him? I would not greet moving him to OLB with any enthusiasm, but I don't like the status quo either.[/quote]

I think you have to hope that alot of his problems were due to being slow in picking up the system and they can get him coached up and get his confidence back next season. I don't think he's a totally lost cause, but the defensive coaches definitely have their work cut out for them.

The Zimmermans 11-21-2006 02:43 PM

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I think we might need to add two corners considering rogers struggles and springs' age and succeptibility to injury

jamf 11-21-2006 02:45 PM

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Mcintosh is our Starting OLB next year...
Marshall is a good MLB.
Last year Ray Lewis was complaining that the Ravens didnt have good Defensive Tackles to soak up the blockers so he couldnt make plays. I think thats part of marshalls problem this year. Salave'a and Griffin have been injured all year.
Marshall is only going to be as good as our defensive tackles.

archuletta is another problem. I think we can use him as a hybrid LB on passing downs.
Next year I think he will play alot better.
After he signed his monster contract he started hanging out at the playboy mansion and started banging the hottest girl ever, That has to affect him in some way.
alot of his problems are mental errors. Im supprised GW started him in game one.

memphisskin 11-21-2006 04:25 PM

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I say keep the players and fire the scouting department. Whoever recommended AA & Carter needs to be caned at Redskins Park while wearing a diaper and doing the Flavor Flav as "Don't Believe the Hype" plays in the background.

Luckily, I think this year has been an anomaly, nothing at all has gone right. Two tipped balls for tds, in two weeks?

oh, and Sean Taylor AND the half pipe stay put.

SouperMeister 11-21-2006 04:39 PM

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[quote=jamf;249580]Mcintosh is our Starting OLB next year...
Marshall is a good MLB.
Last year Ray Lewis was complaining that the Ravens didnt have good Defensive Tackles to soak up the blockers so he couldnt make plays. I think thats part of marshalls problem this year. Salave'a and Griffin have
been injured all year.
Marshall is only going to be as good as our defensive tackles.

archuletta is another problem. I think we can use him as a hybrid LB on passing downs.
Next year I think he will play alot better.
After he signed his monster contract he started hanging out at the playboy mansion and started banging the hottest girl ever, That has to affect him in some way.
alot of his problems are mental errors. Im supprised GW started him in game one.[/quote]
Good point about the DT injuries. I still long for Antonio Pierce though. As for McIntosh, why shouldn't he be starting NOW? Has Holdman done anything to warrant his continued status as a starter. It's time for Williams to work Rocky into a few packages to see what we have there.

ridexile 11-21-2006 05:06 PM

Re: Positions
 
Marshall isnt terrible at MLB, but nonetheless we still need to get rid of him. The MLB is the heart of the defense, he should be the strongest and most physical person, neither of which is Marshall even close to being. I have never seen him knock anyone out, but I have seen him blow lots of tackles. The only way I see Marshall remaining a redskin is by being a backup, but odds are that someone will pay more for him when he becomes a FA in a year.

Sheriff Gonna Getcha 11-21-2006 05:10 PM

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[QUOTE=ridexile;249656]Marshall isnt terrible at MLB, but nonetheless we still need to get rid of him. The MLB is the heart of the defense, he should be the strongest and most physical person, neither of which is Marshall even close to being. I have never seen him knock anyone out, but I have seen him blow lots of tackles. The only way I see Marshall remaining a redskin is by being a backup, but odds are that someone will pay more for him when he becomes a FA in a year.[/QUOTE]

I don't MLBs are the strongest players on defense (see defensive line). I could care less whether our MLBs knock people out. I haven't seen Marshall "blow" a lot of tackles, but I have seen Taylor "blow" a lot of tackles despite being a guy who can knock people out.

I prefer "missing" tackles, as opposed to "blowing tackles." When you said someone "blows tackles," I think of something that I don't care to think about.

dall-assblows 11-21-2006 05:11 PM

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WillH 11-21-2006 05:56 PM

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I decided to look at the highest-ranked-D's in the NFL this year to try and establish some sense of what that type of team looks like.

1. They draft well, and develope their draft picks into premier players.
- The Bears have only ONE starter that they didn't draft
- Ravens only have three starters that they didn't draft
- Jags have only four (including a player who spent a year on the
bench for the lions)

2. Their D-line can get pressure on the QB.
- The Bears and Ravens have the best TO differential, but their int.'s come from all over, safeties, cb's, lb's, and even de. It seems to be less that the secondary is making plays, and more that the line is getting pressure as both teams have at least 14.5 sacks just from their d-line

3. Their MLB is a beast.
-This point probably has the least to do with their success and our failure, but Id rather have a Urlacher or Ray Lewis then Lemar Marshal any day

ridexile 11-21-2006 07:08 PM

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[quote=Sheriff Gonna Getcha;249658]I don't MLBs are the strongest players on defense (see defensive line). I could care less whether our MLBs knock people out. I haven't seen Marshall "blow" a lot of tackles, but I have seen Taylor "blow" a lot of tackles despite being a guy who can knock people out.

I prefer "missing" tackles, as opposed to "blowing tackles." When you said someone "blows tackles," I think of something that I don't care to think about.[/quote]

When I say knock out, I mean knock back, as in when they hit the running back, the running back doesnt gain an extra two or three yards before he goes down...I dont care if our MLB knocks people out like taylor, I just want him to be powerful enough to immediately stop forward progress. Marshall can not do that practically ever. Plus Marshall is not powerful enough to fight through the blocks to get to his man.

GhettoDogAllStars 11-21-2006 07:14 PM

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I agree with the comments about avoiding major changes, and making minor corrections. I think the idea should be to make as few changes as possible while still achieving our goal: a (much) improved defense. So, I don't think moving players around, from position to position, is a good idea.

My ideal offseason would go like this:
1. Sign a good up-coming CB (i.e.: Clements)
2a. Sign Freeney* (this is more like fantasy)
2b. Draft the top DE or LB prospect (hopefully by trading down)
3. Draft O-line depth (hopefully with picks acquired from trading down)
4. Develop Rocky and Arch

70Chip 11-21-2006 07:21 PM

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[quote=GhettoDogAllStars;249689]I agree with the comments about avoiding major changes, and making minor corrections. I think the idea should be to make as few changes as possible while still achieving our goal: a (much) improved defense. So, I don't think moving players around, from position to position, is a good idea.

My ideal offseason would go like this:
1. Sign a good up-coming CB (i.e.: Clements)
2a. Sign Freeney* (this is more like fantasy)
2b. Draft the top DE or LB prospect (hopefully by trading down)
3. Draft O-line depth (hopefully with picks acquired from trading down)
4. Develop Rocky and Arch[/quote]


I think we need to figure out how to get our hands on either Gaines Adams(Clemson) or Quinten Moses(Georgia). The easiest way? Keep losing games. That should put us in good position.

T.A.P.O.A.F.O.R. 11-21-2006 10:21 PM

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[quote=GhettoDogAllStars;249689]

My ideal offseason would go like this:
1. Sign a good up-coming CB (i.e.: Clements)
2a. Sign Freeney* (this is more like fantasy)
2b. Draft the top DE or LB prospect (hopefully by trading down)
3. Draft O-line depth (hopefully with picks acquired from trading down)
4. Develop Rocky and Arch[/quote]

like it except don't think we can afford any big signing next season. trade down. . . yes. . . down like tomkat's careers, down like MNF's ratings, down like the drip of melty ice cream left by the locker room door. . . alway down. . .

vaoutlaws2006 11-22-2006 06:25 AM

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[quote=70Chip;249181]Bill B gets it right. LBers have to take on TEs and pulling guards. Arch would be flattened like Wiley Coyote. He didn't have to fight through blocks to make tackles from the safety position.[/quote]


Jason whitten actually did flatten AA like Wile E coyote.

vaoutlaws2006 11-22-2006 06:28 AM

Re: Positions
 
[quote=GhettoDogAllStars;249689]I agree with the comments about avoiding major changes, and making minor corrections. I think the idea should be to make as few changes as possible while still achieving our goal: a (much) improved defense. So, I don't think moving players around, from position to position, is a good idea.

My ideal offseason would go like this:
1. Sign a good up-coming CB (i.e.: Clements)
2a. Sign Freeney* (this is more like fantasy)
2b. Draft the top DE or LB prospect (hopefully by trading down)
3. Draft O-line depth (hopefully with picks acquired from trading down)
4. Develop Rocky and Arch[/quote]


I agree with 3 and 4 but you are out of you mind wanting to add more over priced free agents. We need Freeney and Clements like we need two holes in our head. Imagine how much money they are going to command. Building through free agency is NOT the answer. See the results of the 2000 season and the 2006 season if you need some clarity on free agent spending.

dmek25 11-22-2006 06:29 AM

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hey t.a.p.o.a.f.o.r welcome. and what the heck does all that stand for?

GhettoDogAllStars 11-22-2006 08:48 AM

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[QUOTE=vaoutlaws2006;249744]I agree with 3 and 4 but you are out of you mind wanting to add more over priced free agents. We need Freeney and Clements like we need two holes in our head. Imagine how much money they are going to command. Building through free agency is NOT the answer. See the results of the 2000 season and the 2006 season if you need some clarity on free agent spending.[/QUOTE]

I agree that BUILDING through free agency is not the answer. Does that mean that you should ignore FA? No. I'm talking about 2 additions -- that's not what I would call BUILDING. Anyways, Freeney and Clements are 2 great defensive players that have proven themselves in the NFL. If you would pass them up, I'd call you crazy -- especially if we had the chance to get Freeney.


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