Offseason personnel strategy
 

I realize there is a thread titled, 'The Moves We Should Make Next Year,' but I was hoping to outline what I feel like is an overarching strategy, which is different from a number of individual moves. To me, a strategy would involve following principles that would guide each and every move. In my opinion, here are the following principles we would need to really build something solid here in Washington:

[B]1. Recommit to the draft[/B]

In the upcoming draft, I believe we have a 1st, 5th, 6th, and 7th rounder. There is a gaping hole in the middle of our draft that is a reminder that we need to place a higher value on our draft picks and building from within. We need to stand pat for this draft and look at opportunities to add additional draft picks in rounds 2 - 4 by trading down from our 1 (if an opportunity should arise) and hold onto our later picks unless a truly special offer comes around. Also, if we can get any sort of compensation for AA then we should look into this possibility. I think recommitting to the draft also means recommitting to younger talent. There are certain players within the organization (McCune and McIntosh spring to mine) who may not have that veteran savvy that GW wants, but who would bring youth and enthusiasm to the the team. I think some of these guys deserve more of a shot to make mistakes and grow as young players.

[B]2. Recommit to internal personnel[/B]

In order to continue creating brand loyalty within the organization, we need to show players that they will be rewarded internally, if their play merits it. In the past, I believe our strategy of bringing external players into the organization has a net negative effect on our internal players, due to the fact that they probably see the rainbow at the end of their tunnel as existing outside this organization. Re-signing our own free agents and extending pending free agents would be ways of creating consistency within the organization and ensuring loyalty within the team. For 2007 free agents, I would re-sign Derrick Dockery, Ladell Betts, Derrick Frost, Ade Jimoh, Kenny Wright, Vernon Fox, Jim Molinaro, and Mike Puccilo. I would also extend an offer to pending 2008 free agents Chris Cooley and Mike Sellers. Both of these guys are far more important to the team than recent acquisitions ARE and Lloyd.

[B]3. Use free agency to fill holes and build depth, not the core [/B]

I think our front-line team is solid, we just need additional depth along both offensive and defensive lines and in the secondary. If we can find young, talented (but not huge name) free agents in these areas who can be signed for market value or below market value, who have the potential to eventually grow into starting roles, then we should move forward here. The one thing we need to avoid is getting guys who are above market value (every one of last year's signings) unless they are truly a star. The one blatant hole I can see now is at kicker, and that is one area we should consider getting a guy at market value or just above market value.

[B]4. Shed the fat[/B]

Part of the problem with having so many 'assistant head coaches' and 'quality control coaches', is clearly that the leadership and guidance has become somewhat convoluted. I think in the off-season, we need to figure out where we can shed the management fat in the team and create firmer lines of leadership within the organization.

[B]5. Find a more talented personnel evaluator than Vinny Cerrato[/B]

I threw this last one in just because I'm convinced that Cerrato is not the right man for this job. I get the sense that he may be well suited for a scouting position within the organization but not well suited at the management level. He seems like a yes-man for Snyder and Gibbs and I think what we need here is someone who can see things from a broader perspective, and who is given the authority to overrule the owner and the head coach on personnel decisions. We need someone who can take all the other guidelines I have outlined and put them into action, someone who would see the value in re-signing a Ryan Clark over an Adam Archuleta despite what GW sees in the guy.

At any rate, here is my strategy for what we need to do moving forward.

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I especially like point 3: building depth through FA rather than finding immediate starters/core players. It's such a coin flip whether the player acquired will produce up to expectations.

As far as the draft goes, We've had drafts in the past where we had as many picks as anyone else and just as many pan out as do wash out. What we need is to focus more on the talent/potential evaluation process. We need a guy with a great eye for getting hard-working Art Monk/Darrell Green style players. I'd trade away 3 picks every year if I knew that the 3 or 4 guys I'm drafting have a better chance of being quality Redskin players and that starts with finding the right person/people.

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I agree. I think if you look at the drafts that Cerrato has lead, they have really been lacking in the mid to late rounds. I think he is one position on the team that really needs to be replaced.

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Does Cerrato really make these decisions? We've said this time and time again, but post-Gibbs, it's been the coaches making the talent evaluations, not him. We could sign Jesus "Master Talent Evaluator" Christ to come in for one season and it would still be the coaches making these decisions.

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I would agree with most, except the build from within strategy. I like that point, but we tie up so much FA money in starters (and 30 million on a special teamer) that our depth is just not that good. You solve that by placing more importance on the draft. It wont happen this year because we only have a first day pick. Hopefully they wont give up too many on draft day or next offseason so we can do it the following year.
I totally agree with us having too many damn coaches. But Gibbs will not let anyone go, especially the guys that were here the first go round. GW may have to get rid of one or two, but Gibbs wont. I have always been a big supporter of adding a FA to bolster a roster, not make it.

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There's a WT article out today that makes this point, look at some of the key contributors from the Panthers game. Campbell, Cooley, Taylor, Rogers, and Golston. Seems like there's a trend there. Hmmm, what could it be?

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[QUOTE=Mattyk72;252103]There's a WT article out today that makes this point, look at some of the key contributors from the Panthers game. Campbell, Cooley, Taylor, Rogers, and Golston. Seems like there's a trend there. Hmmm, what could it be?[/QUOTE]

Definitely a big trend. I think a lot can be said for the loyalty that comes from having a team draft (or pick you up as an undrafted FA) and grow you. I have fantasies about our defense if we had retained Pierce, Clark, and Smoot, and then drafted Merriman. It would just be sick.

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[quote=Mattyk72;252103]There's a WT article out today that makes this point, look at some of the key contributors from the Panthers game. Campbell, Cooley, Taylor, Rogers, and Golston. Seems like there's a trend there. Hmmm, what could it be?[/quote]
Funny you mention that - when my Dad commented how old the Redskins are as a team, I pointed out all of those young guys that had a major impact in the win Sunday. Even Rocky with the blocked punt and several special teams tackles came up huge (can we get him on the field on D? Please?). Gibbs must adopt a cap strategy that emphasizes keeping the young core intact. I don't want to ever see us lose another Antonio Pierce for reasonable money and see him become a team leader elsewhere. He should offer Cooley and Sellers extensions before they can even reach free agency at the end of next season.

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If they just did #5 it would be a step in the right direction!

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I agree with the majority of what the poster has suggested because, we've all at some point agreed with it in the past.
We can only hope the people responsible for making personel decisions concur in our thought process, and change their philosophy on how to go about building the team for the long term future. It must surely incoperate a continuous influx of youth, building through the draft, and less dependency on FA's to fill vital roles.

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---------------------------Taylor------------Fox/XXXXX------------------
--Rogers---------------------------------------------------------Springs--
------------McIntosh/Marshall---------XXXXX------------Washington------
--------Carter------------Griffen-------------Golston------------XXXXX---

here i think is where our defense needs to be adressed, maybe moving springs or rogers to nickel and bringing in a good cb, and i dont think our offense needs to be improved at all, just time to gel with campbell, and add some depth, through the latter rounds of the draft or maybe a mid-level free-agent o-lineman. you present a good plan for the skins, i wish they could read it

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[QUOTE=Big C;252200]---------------------------Taylor------------Fox/XXXXX------------------
--Rogers---------------------------------------------------------Springs--
------------McIntosh/Marshall---------XXXXX------------Washington------
--------Carter------------Griffen-------------Golston------------XXXXX---

here i think is where our defense needs to be adressed, maybe moving springs or rogers to nickel and bringing in a good cb, and i dont think our offense needs to be improved at all, just time to gel with campbell, and add some depth, through the latter rounds of the draft or maybe a mid-level free-agent o-lineman. you present a good plan for the skins, i wish they could read it[/QUOTE]

I tend to agree that Marshall may not be best suited for the role inside although I don't view it as a total handicap. I actually think Daniels is a solid End but the age is definitely a concern. I wouldn't see him playing past his contract, which I believe expires in two years. Also, there is a good chance Wynn may be a cap casualty at the end of the year given that he has a big number and only one year left on his contract. I think Demetric Evans was a solid re-signing though.

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[QUOTE=SouperMeister;252177]Funny you mention that - when my Dad commented how old the Redskins are as a team, I pointed out all of those young guys that had a major impact in the win Sunday. Even Rocky with the blocked punt and several special teams tackles came up huge (can we get him on the field on D? Please?). Gibbs must adopt a cap strategy that emphasizes keeping the young core intact. I don't want to ever see us lose another Antonio Pierce for reasonable money and see him become a team leader elsewhere. He should offer Cooley and Sellers extensions before they can even reach free agency at the end of next season.[/QUOTE]

The Pierce loss was pretty big I think. I really wonder how that slipped through the cracks, because it is not like he got franchise-type money.

Consider this:

[B]Pierce signed a 4-year, $7.4 million contract
Clark signed a 4-year, $7.1 million contract

vs.

Archuleta signed a 6-year deal worth about $30 million[/B]

Doesn't it make you sick that we could have both Pierce and Clark for a fraction of the price we paid for Archuleta?

One thing to note: Smoot was demoted recently and people are talking about him possibly being cut this year. If he were to be cut, I think the Skins would have to think long and hard about bringing him back to play in the nickel.

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A lot of people on the boards are talking about Rocky taking over the middle this offseason and moving Marshall back to the outside where he was when they were third in the league in defense.

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[QUOTE=TheMalcolmConnection;252219]A lot of people on the boards are talking about Rocky taking over the middle this offseason and moving Marshall back to the outside where he was when they were third in the league in defense.[/QUOTE]

i would be pleased with that, but id also like to see what briggs and fletcher are going for. fletcher is an absolute beast, and knows the williams system i believe, both were together in buffalo

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I only want one big offseason signing. I'd rather look within since Rocky played that position in college.

I'm still on the Nate Clements bandwagon for our big FA move, and that is all.

Then we ACTUALLY SAVE draft picks and draft DE, OL and more DL.

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The Scouting Department is divided into two parts. College scouting and pro scouting.

The college scouts have done a great job, IMO. Golston, Taylor, Cooley, Campbell etc. The ones we complain about haven't gotten to play (Mcintosh) or have been injury plagued (Manuel White).

The pro scouts have been more of a mixed bag. Marcus Washington was good call. I think Randle-El has done what I expected. Those expecting 80 receptions were unrealistic. That's why they signed Lloyd as well. I thought Lloyd was soft at first, but he seems to be playing with more confidence now. Defensively, Archeleta and Carter look like mistakes at this point. I think Carter may be redeemable if he is used as a 3rd down rusher, but Arch was just a case of poor evaluation. You can't play safety in this league if you can't keep up with Jason Whitten. He just doesn't have the physical skills to play the position. The scouts need to be able to see that and say, "Hold on a minute." Perhaps they did and the coaches overruled them. We don't know.

But I don't think we can say at this point that we need to completely overhaul the personell department. I think we will be surprised by how much talent there is on this team these next few weeks. It gives me hope when I see Golston, Fox, Rogers, Mcintosh, and Holdman play like they did against Carolina. Perhaps they are getting into a groove and will get on another run.

One thing to watch in young players is how they show up in road games. I am firm believer that winning on the road is the difference between playoff teams and average teams in the NFL. We have been bad on the road. We have two road games left and we need to overcome that adversity if we are to get going. I know it's early to talk like that, but even if it doesn't happen for us this year, we can still learn who's who by watching how those young guys play in the away games.

BTW, we are 3-2 at home this year. 1-5 on the road.

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I don't even want to write Archuleta off yet, he was brought in for a reason, and if Gregg Williams gets the defense to start pressuring the QB, why couldn't he play the safety opposite Taylor?

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I think a lot of those points are right on the $. The scary part for me is that I hope to dear God that the $ we wasted in WAY overpaying for AA and Carter do not prevent us from being able to sign the likes of Dockery Fox Sellers, Cooley, and either Betts or Duckett. These mistakes may make signing our internal core very difficult in 07 and 08.

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[quote=GTripp0012;252233]I don't even want to write Archuleta off yet, he was brought in for a reason, and if Gregg Williams gets the defense to start pressuring the QB, why couldn't he play the safety opposite Taylor?[/quote]


I don't think our goal should be to build the defense back up to the point where we can get away with having him in the game. Fox is better. I respect your defense of Brunell but no one will buy it with A.A. He's done. Too slow.

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[QUOTE=REDSKIN2;252235]I think a lot of those points are right on the $. The scary part for me is that I hope to dear God that the $ we wasted in WAY overpaying for AA and Carter do not prevent us from being able to sign the likes of Dockery Fox Sellers, Cooley, and either Betts or Duckett. These mistakes may make signing our internal core very difficult in 07 and 08.[/QUOTE]

I actually think we could cut or trade Archuleta without that much of a problem. According to CC's cap sheets, we had about 16 million in dead cap room this year and we still managed to get all those free agents signed. I think if there is one thing I don't worry about, it is the Redskins ability to work the cap.

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The Skins FO has to seriously reconsider their "philosophy" when it comes to the draft and free agency. Alot of us were kind of uneasy about the way this team throws away draft picks like they don't count. I think alot of us were uneasy about the free agents that come in that make more $ than some of our core players. It's ok to add a couple free agents but add where we need to add. Did we really need 2 high priced WR's this past offseason? No (especially when we don't get the ball to them). Our FO/coaches or whoever makes the decisions just doesn't get it sometimes. The decision process in general needs to be fixed.

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[quote=70Chip;252236]I don't think our goal should be to build the defense back up to the point where we can get away with having him in the game. Fox is better. I respect your defense of Brunell but no one will buy it with A.A. He's done. Too slow.[/quote]Not trying to defend Archuleta. He's been horrible this year.

Just looking at his contract and saying it would be a tough thing to write him off. If he played like he did in St. Louis (which he is obviously capable of), he'd at least be starting for us.

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first - mccune is a workout warrior and he's 28, that's not young. when we drafted him he was already 26.

your contract numbers - pierce got a 30mill 6 year deal, no idea where you got the 7mill figure.

also, saying you'd like to trade down is nice, but which players are you looking at? there's gotta be someone there worth taking, and trading down does (i believe) end up giving denver the option to swap picks if we end up with a low first rounder.

we'll get NOTHING for archuleta or carter - even as 2year vet min deals for the new team they're not worth much above the 5th round, and each would result in a huge cap hit.

don't fantasize too much about smoot ;) he's the nickel corner in minnesota now and he'd have cost more than springs. it was a good call to let him go, though we could have signed andre dyson for the same amount as rogers and still drafted merriman (dyson isn't a big tackler though, so GW was probably down on that :( ).

I don't think carter is solid at DE either. last game, wynn and daniels were started (and surprise, we played better on the DL), with carter coming in as a situational guy.

personally, i'm still riding the gaines/clements bandwagon.

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[QUOTE=Drift Reality;252218]The Pierce loss was pretty big I think. I really wonder how that slipped through the cracks, because it is not like he got franchise-type money.

Consider this:

[B]Pierce signed a 4-year, $7.4 million contract
Clark signed a 4-year, $7.1 million contract

vs.

Archuleta signed a 6-year deal worth about $30 million[/B]

Doesn't it make you sick that we could have both Pierce and Clark for a fraction of the price we paid for Archuleta?

One thing to note: Smoot was demoted recently and people are talking about him possibly being cut this year. If he were to be cut, I think the Skins would have to think long and hard about bringing him back to play in the nickel.[/QUOTE]

I dont know if this is accurate, I thougth pierce got a deal worth around 25 million, arrington had good money, smoot got good money. Clark was clearly a mistake the whoel way around.

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[quote=GTripp0012;252346]Not trying to defend Archuleta. He's been horrible this year.

Just looking at his contract and saying it would be a tough thing to write him off. If he played like he did in St. Louis (which he is obviously capable of), he'd at least be starting for us.[/quote]
I agree, I think you don't get rid of him just yet. Give him a chance, especially because of how much we have paid for him. I think the Friend article is accurate in that, we shouldn't make him the scapegoat.

Like I have said before, AA was in demand at Chicago, and he was gonna get big bucks there too. I don't think they are stupid at Chicago, and they must have seen something in him. Let's just give him one more season, and then go from there.

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I really like the strategy that is outlined but I doubt that it will be followed. I guarantee some coaches will be fired, though.

I want them to commit the draft and free agency to the defense. Signing some solid O-line depth would be nice too.

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This off topic abit but, Jason C. seems to be too laid back in pressure situations. I like someone with a little more emotion and fire in their belly.

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i would like to see our defense look like this next year
taylor--------------springs/fox
rogers------------------------------------------------------------clements
mcintosh--------------briggs(f.a)/marshall---------------washington
carter---------gholston-----------griffen-----------adams/moses(1 rd pk)

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[QUOTE=hooskins;252426]I agree, I think you don't get rid of him just yet. Give him a chance, especially because of how much we have paid for him. I think the Friend article is accurate in that, we shouldn't make him the scapegoat.

Like I have said before, AA was in demand at Chicago, and he was gonna get big bucks there too. I don't think they are stupid at Chicago, and they must have seen something in him. Let's just give him one more season, and then go from there.[/QUOTE]

Archuleta could end up being just another Cris Dishman though.

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[quote=TAFKAS;252456]Archuleta could end up being just another Cris Dishman though.[/quote]

Didn't Dishman go to the Pro-bowl as a Redskin?

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[quote=charlielyons;252450]i would like to see our defense look like this next year
taylor--------------springs/fox
rogers------------------------------------------------------------clements
mcintosh--------------briggs(f.a)/marshall---------------washington
carter---------gholston-----------griffen-----------adams/moses(1 rd pk)[/quote]

Why wouldn't Springs be our second corner? Springs just shut down the best wideout in the NFL. It is way too early to move him to safety.

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[QUOTE=Grim21Reaper;252481]Didn't Dishman go to the Pro-bowl as a Redskin?[/QUOTE]

I think so, but then he just had a ridiculous drop into oblivion. It wasn't even a slow fade away.

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I don't see the logic of moving Springs to safety. We're better off at safety than corner especially if Fox continues to hold up. Pray-low will come back next year. You need three starting cornerbacks to compete, IMO. Three wide receiver sets are as common a formatioon as you will see so the nickel back is essentially a starter. And, when Springs is healthy he's still an above average player. Rogers is not out of the woods either. I watched the game again for the third time and Delhomme played badly. I'm not saying Rogers didn't play well, but the Panthers offense was sluggish and the play calling was bad. If they show up playing better, I think we'd all be in here bitching about the same stuff we have all year.

The Nickel Package Next year

Carter/Evans Griffin/Monty Golston/Salavea Adams/Moses/FA

Washington Marshall

Springs Wright Rogers


Taylor Fox/Pray-Low

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[QUOTE=SKINSnCANES;252383]I dont know if this is accurate, I thougth pierce got a deal worth around 25 million, arrington had good money, smoot got good money. Clark was clearly a mistake the whoel way around.[/QUOTE]

Yes, you are right. Pierce got a 6-year deal with about 6.5 million in guaranteed money and about 26-million over the course of the contract. Apologies for the number.

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[QUOTE=That Guy;252382]first - mccune is a workout warrior and he's 28, that's not young. when we drafted him he was already 26.

your contract numbers - pierce got a 30mill 6 year deal, no idea where you got the 7mill figure.

also, saying you'd like to trade down is nice, but which players are you looking at? there's gotta be someone there worth taking, and trading down does (i believe) end up giving denver the option to swap picks if we end up with a low first rounder.

we'll get NOTHING for archuleta or carter - even as 2year vet min deals for the new team they're not worth much above the 5th round, and each would result in a huge cap hit.

don't fantasize too much about smoot ;) he's the nickel corner in minnesota now and he'd have cost more than springs. it was a good call to let him go, though we could have signed andre dyson for the same amount as rogers and still drafted merriman (dyson isn't a big tackler though, so GW was probably down on that :( ).

I don't think carter is solid at DE either. last game, wynn and daniels were started (and surprise, we played better on the DL), with carter coming in as a situational guy.

personally, i'm still riding the gaines/clements bandwagon.[/QUOTE]

There is some legitimate criticism here. The Pierce number I pulled from an inaccurate Web site and the new estimate I found was 6-years at $26 million with $6.5 in guaranteed bonuses. For the signing bonus we paid Archuleta though, we still could have covered both Pierce's and Clark's bonuses.

Regarding your point about trading down, I'm not suggesting the front office should arbitrarily trade down. If there is an offer made that allows them to recoup some lost material, I think they should take advantage. I don't believe you trade down to take someone; you trade down because you don't have an impending need to take someone where you are at and someone else values the pick more than you do. We have been on the other side of this equation quite a bit and I'm suggesting that a strategy that values the draft would compel the front office to look for ways of increasing draft potential, not decreasing draft potential.

Regarding your point about Smoot, I don't look at this as strictly a dollars and cents issue. I think it is about taking care of your own and the net effect that this has on your entire team and the brand loyalty of an organization. If players see that other Redskins are playing well, and are rewarded accordingly, the net effect is going to be positive. That being said, I do tend to agree that the Smoot contract was excessive. I do feel that if he is cut and comes available, I feel as though the Skins should think very carefully about bringing him back.

Regarding your point about Carter, I really think the verdict is out. Of course I respect your doubts and they are well founded.

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[quote=Drift Reality;252520]There is some legitimate criticism here. The Pierce number I pulled from an inaccurate Web site and the new estimate I found was 6-years at $26 million with $6.5 in guaranteed bonuses. For the signing bonus we paid Archuleta though, we still could have covered both Pierce's and Clark's bonuses.

Regarding your point about trading down, I'm not suggesting the front office should arbitrarily trade down. If there is an offer made that allows them to recoup some lost material, I think they should take advantage. I don't believe you trade down to take someone; you trade down because you don't have an impending need to take someone where you are at and someone else values the pick more than you do. We have been on the other side of this equation quite a bit and I'm suggesting that a strategy that values the draft would compel the front office to look for ways of increasing draft potential, not decreasing draft potential.

Regarding your point about Smoot, I don't look at this as strictly a dollars and cents issue. I think it is about taking care of your own and the net effect that this has on your entire team and the brand loyalty of an organization. If players see that other Redskins are playing well, and are rewarded accordingly, the net effect is going to be positive. That being said, I do tend to agree that the Smoot contract was excessive. I do feel that if he is cut and comes available, I feel as though the Skins should think very carefully about bringing him back.

Regarding your point about Carter, I really think the verdict is out. Of course I respect your doubts and they are well founded.[/quote]

I am with you 100% that we should have kept Pierce and Smoot. I think the salary cap was a little tight that year so they let Pierce and Smoot go. Although they did eat Coles' contract and sign Santana to an extension when they could have let him play for the number that the Jets had on his last year. I guess you could argue that if they signed Smoot and Pierce, they could have traded down and then they wouldn't have had to pay ninth draft pick money.

Anyway, you can't change it now. I just wish they could play as hard as they did against the Panthers on a consistent basis. With that effort they easily would have beaten Minny, Tennessee (who gets better every week), and the lowly Bucs. But then we would still have Brunell calling the plays...

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the cap was tight, and there was no way we could let santana play on his old contract - he held out until it was fixed, AND if we had made him play, his current contract would be insane compared to the one he was given at the time.

as far as your point on trading down - it doesn't necessarily increase your draft potential at all. trading down and bypassing merriman, for example, would have been a horrible move. and we definitely have a huge need at DE, if nothing else (though depth and defensive age are big issues as well - marshall will be 31, washington 29, springs and the DL getting past 30, etc).

if we pass on gaines, but end up with grubbs + okoye or something, then there's a decent trade off, but if we trade down and miss a 10 time pro bowler for 2 average starters (which are easy to find), that'd be a huge mistake.

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You know if there was a plan to move Springs to safety, why the hell would we waste that money on AA.

Another thing, when looking at the cap sheets, are the release fees for 2006 if we cut them right now. Meaning that the release fees for 2007 will be what we are charged if we release someone after the season?

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I don't think that was the plan, but it looks like that's where we're at.