Jason Campbell vs. Vick
 

Falcon fan here that will be at the game this week. Just wondering how has Campbell looked in his 2 starts, since I haven't had a chance to see him. From the stat lines he has looked pretty good, but I also noticed that the Redskins really haven't had any big completions in the past 2 weeks from their WRs. Guys are averaging under 10 yards per pass.

I'd like to say I think the Falcons can win this one, but I'm not so confident. While Campbell seemingly has brought fresh air to the Redskins offense, that is exactly what the Falcons are needing, and it doesn't look like it's going to come from Vick.

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I guess you missed the pass to Cooley last week for the TD, and the pass to Lloyd in Tampa that was perfect, even if it was dropped? Mark was the one always throwing the shot pass. We still have a lot to watch, but JC can throw deep very well. JC isn't fast like Vick, but he is accurate and VERY smart. Best thing about him is that he doesn’t get rattled or let his emotions take over.

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cooley isnt a wide reciever. he said the wide recievers havent had big plays. the first game we had no moss, and moss was just a non-factor last week coming back from the hamstring injury. i see him doing a lot better this week. campbell has looked very poised in the pocket and can make all the throws, huge arm, and can scramble if needed. so far he has been a little inconsistant with his throws, but they are all close, none really terrible

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Very efficient. Accurate except for when he was a little overexcited in his first game and overthrew the ball a couple of times (looked like a cannon firing though). 4 TDs and only 1 INT.

He'd have more yards passing if Betts hadn't been so good last week and kept the running game going.

Vick was 9-24 last week. Sure a lot of balls were dropped by their horrible receivers, but he's just not a good decision maker. He also tries to do TOO much when his teammates are struggling and ends up making mistakes.

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Welcome to the board Pudge.

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[quote=Big C;252692]cooley isnt a wide reciever. he said the wide recievers havent had big plays. the first game we had no moss, and moss was just a non-factor last week coming back from the hamstring injury. i see him doing a lot better this week. campbell has looked very poised in the pocket and can make all the throws, huge arm, and can scramble if needed. so far he has been a little inconsistant with his throws, but they are all close, none really terrible[/quote]

Thanks for informing me about Cooley, Big C. I am AWARE that he isn't a WR - you know exactly what I was trying to point out!:oink:

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hey, Falcons fan huh? welcome to the board.
try changing your avatar to a Falcons helmet in the User CP in the top left.

i don't follow the falcs, but i never understood why Vick gets hated on so much. i'd say 170+ rushing yards from a QB may just make up for some of his bad passing. i'm assuming a lot of those passes are INTs and he fumbles a lot?

Campbell is a breath of fresh air here, but the gameplan still seems as conservative as when Brunell was behind center. i'm sure its because they don't want Campbell making mistakes, but turning him into another Brunell isn't the answer. 3 games in is still too little to let him loose, so i expect the same conservative gameplan that needs the defense to show up for us to win.

normally i'd say you have a great chance of winning, but if some of those defensive fixes we showed last week stick, i think you guys are in real trouble.

Hey, how did Falcon fans feel about the Duckett trade, i'm dying to know.

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[QUOTE=hesscl34;252696]Thanks for informing me about Cooley, Big C. I am AWARE that he isn't a WR - you know exactly what I was trying to point out!:oink:[/QUOTE]

his whole point was the wide recievers havent made big plays, which is correct. since cooley isnt a wide reciever, his statement is true, because lloyd, randle el, and moss did nothing so far since campbell has been in there

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[quote=Big C;252698]his whole point was the wide recievers havent made big plays, which is correct. since cooley isnt a wide reciever, his statement is true, because lloyd, randle el, and moss did nothing so far since campbell has been in there[/quote]

thanks again for making HIS POINT clear.....

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i will quote you here

"I guess you missed the pass to Cooley last week for the TD"

acting like he is stupid or something, he said wide recievers, what dont u understand?

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[QUOTE=hesscl34;252699]thanks again for making HIS POINT clear.....[/QUOTE]

jeez, he made a valid point Hess, he's not talking trash.

plus even if Cooley was a receiver, that pass wasn't a bomb, it was still an intermediate pass YAC'd in. the difference between this YAC pass and your ex-hubby Mark's YAC passes was this was over the middle, in stride, and second read. :)

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I'm sure Pudge didn't join this board to read everyone's internal bickering

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[quote=Big C;252700]i will quote you here

"I guess you missed the pass to Cooley last week for the TD"

acting like he is stupid or something, he said wide recievers, what dont u understand?[/quote]

I'm not arguing over something so freakin stupid. I was pointing out that JC threw down the middle and for more than 10yards, and also to Lloyd for more than 10 (even though it was dropped) - THAT'S ALL !! And I know what YAC means too! But feel free to pick my thread apart and agrue if you want.

..... so freakin pointless...

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[quote=TAFKAS;252704]I'm sure Pudge didn't join this board to read everyone's internal bickering[/quote]

No SHIT! I'm out of this thread. It's all yours boys.:tongue

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[QUOTE=hesscl34;252706]I'm not arguing over something so freakin stupid. I was pointing out that JC threw down the middle and for more than 10yards, and also to Lloyd for more than 10 (even though it was dropped) - THAT'S ALL !! And I know what YAC means too! But feel free to pick my thread apart and agrue if you want.

..... so freakin pointless...[/QUOTE]

our wide recievers havent made plays lately, since campbell has come into the game. i dont care if campbell got the ball to lloyd, lloyd didnt make the play

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[QUOTE=hesscl34;252707]No SHIT! I'm out of this thread. It's all yours boys.:tongue[/QUOTE]

Jeez. Talk about a drama queen.

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[QUOTE=hesscl34;252706]I'm not arguing over something so freakin stupid. I was pointing out that JC threw down the middle and for more than 10yards, and also to Lloyd for more than 10 (even though it was dropped) - THAT'S ALL !! And I know what YAC means too! But feel free to pick my thread apart and agrue if you want.

..... so freakin pointless...[/QUOTE]

wrong side of the bed ? :confused:

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[QUOTE=hesscl34;252690]Best thing about him is that he doesn’t get rattled or let his emotions take over.[/QUOTE]

yes, VERY good qualities! ;)

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[quote=illdefined;252716]wrong side of the bed ? :confused:[/quote]
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[COLOR=black]Half of the time all you guys do all day is insult people instead of talk about the Skins. I was talking about JC, MY opinion. Didn't need my post to be picked apart because I didn't post the way Big C thought was appropriate... [/COLOR]
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[COLOR=black]Very Truly Yours,[/COLOR]
[COLOR=black]Dama Queen[/COLOR]
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[COLOR=black]This thread is all yours.. “boys”[/COLOR]

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[QUOTE=hesscl34;252722][COLOR=black] [/COLOR]
[COLOR=black]Half of the time all you guys do all day is insult people instead of talk about the Skins. I was talking about JC, MY opinion. Didn't need my post to be picked apart because I didn't post the way Big C thought was appropriate... [/COLOR]
[COLOR=black] [/COLOR]
[COLOR=black]Very Truly Yours,[/COLOR]
[COLOR=black]Dama Queen[/COLOR]
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[COLOR=black]This thread is all yours.. “boys”[/COLOR][/QUOTE]

lol, wow. can u not accept that our WIDE RECIEVERS havent made plays, whether its been campbells fault or the recievers? this has nothing to do with cooley

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[QUOTE=hesscl34;252722][COLOR=black] [/COLOR]
[COLOR=black]Half of the time all you guys do all day is insult people instead of talk about the Skins. I was talking about JC, MY opinion. Didn't need my post to be picked apart because I didn't post the way Big C thought was appropriate... [/COLOR]
[COLOR=black] [/COLOR]
[COLOR=black]Very Truly Yours,[/COLOR]
[COLOR=black]Dama Queen[/COLOR]
[COLOR=black] [/COLOR]
[COLOR=black]This thread is all yours.. “boys”[/COLOR][/QUOTE]

Everyone's posts get picked apart or made fun of sometimes. I just think you take it too personal. You dramatize everything. Everytime someone says something to you or refers to one your posts, you turn into the victim and get all dramatic.

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[QUOTE=Redskins_P;252736]Everyone's posts get picked apart or made fun of sometimes. I just think you take it too personal. You dramatize everything. Everytime someone says something to you or refers to one your posts, you turn into the victim and get all dramatic.[/QUOTE]

yeah for someone calling us "boys" she sure sounds a lot like a "girl".

so back to FOOTBALL.

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[quote=Redskins_P;252736]Everyone's posts get picked apart or made fun of sometimes. I just think you take it too personal. You dramatize everything. Everytime someone says something to you or refers to one your posts, you turn into the victim and get all dramatic.[/quote]

[COLOR=black][COLOR=black]And it starts, AGAIN. Insult, insult, insult..... "every time" is FAR from the truth, sir. However, there is rarely a day that goes by that one of you guys doesn't use this place as your punching bag. I defend myself and then I become a drama queen or a victim because I'm a woman and that's what girls do?? Please....[/COLOR]
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[COLOR=black]Get a life and grow up.[/COLOR]
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[quote=TAFKAS;252704]I'm sure Pudge didn't join this board to read everyone's internal bickering[/quote]

Yeah, be nice to the new person or we'll get a ton of e-birds flipped at us.

His points are valid and he was nice in asking his questions.

WELCOME TO THE BOARD! We're not ALL jerks. :D

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[quote=illdefined;252716]wrong side of the bed ? :confused:[/quote]

OR

[SIZE=1]Wrong week on the calendar?[/SIZE]

:joke::cheeky-sm

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:doh:


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on a side note WELCOME PUDGE!

I think if your looking for some perspective on Jason Campbell, they've summed him up pretty well. I'll run a quick pro's and con's for ya...

[B][U]The Good[/U][/B]

1)Jason's best quality thus far has been his incredible poise in the pocket. Under pressure he has shown to be competive. He's broken several tackles, avoided sacks, scrambled for first downs, and gotten the ball off in a relatively timely fashion.

2)He has a very powerful arm, giving our offense (which lacked the deep ball under Brunell) a new dimension that defenses have to respect. ESPN's "Jaws" breaks down his first start here: [URL="http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/11/23/AR2006112301041_3.html"]To Analyze Campbell, 'Jaws' Goes Straight to Video - washingtonpost.com[/URL]


3)Campbell hasn't thrown those costly INT's. Most of everyone (including me) optimistically assumed that he would throw several picks in his first few games. Thus far, he has proven everyone wrong, and hasn't committed those costly turnovers.

[B][U]The Bad[/U][/B]

1) Jason tends to hold on the ball a little to long sometimes, but Saunders appears to have instituted a "max protect" scheme in order to give him some extra time.

2) Some are worried that his release is a hair too long, and that may cause him issues when pressured (ie, ball stripped, d-line anticipating the throws and deflecting the passes, etc...). So far it's been a very minor problem, but remains an issue.

3) He's young. He may make mistakes, and hasn't seen every NFL defense. Once again, this has yet to be seen as a major factor.

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thank you Rob for bringing this back on topic.

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Welcome Pudge, sorry you had to be exposed to a totally embarrassing showing right off the bat here. Hopefully it won't scare you away, we're really not this bad.... usually.

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[quote=Mattyk72;252793]Welcome Pudge, sorry you had to be exposed to a totally embarrassing showing right off the bat here. Hopefully it won't scare you away, we're really not this bad.... usually.[/quote]

It's kind of like spending the night at a friends house when you're a kid for the first time and his parents argue and yell at each other the entire time.

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My bad fellas.

Welcome to the board Pudge.

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[quote=724Skinsfan;252796]It's kind of like spending the night at a friends house when you're a kid for the first time and his parents argue and yell at each other the entire time.[/quote]

Yeah in this case the parents were drunk and the Dad kicked the dog down the stairs, other than that it's just another day in the life of The Warpath. :)

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[quote=724Skinsfan;252796]It's kind of like spending the night at a friends house when you're a kid for the first time and his parents argue and yell at each other the entire time.[/quote]
hahaha, I hated that... (i think the off topic forum may be getting a new "f" thread)

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[QUOTE=Mattyk72;252793]Welcome Pudge, sorry you had to be exposed to a totally embarrassing showing right off the bat here. Hopefully it won't scare you away, we're really not this bad.... usually.[/QUOTE]

good joke matty

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Welcome Pudge,
I do see us taking the Falcons this week (which has nothing to do with ANY type of.............Skins bias). JC is just figuring out which way is up. Kid is super cool under fire and can evade the rush. LOVE the way he drills the ball to the guys in stride. If you saw Cool last week. JC hit him over the middle in full gallop. I was thinking, there gonna have to net that man to stop him. When JC figures out where m Moss, Lloyd, and L are hiding, it's gonna be fun!

I have always been a little disappointed in Vick. I don't know if it's him or the people who coach him. The most under utilized talent in the league. Always has been. The Eagles made it work with Cunningham. Maybe he's better in a Beefed up Randel El sort of role. Lots of money, and he probably wouldn't go for that. He's always been entertaining to watch, and puts a lot of people in the stands.

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Hi Pudge, I think someone else may have asked this already but what do Falcons fans think of the Duckett trade?

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welcome, and while i know the falcons are a strong running team, your defense hasn't played anywhere near a playoff teams defense. with Abraham and malloy, i thought you guys would be alot better. and yes, i know Abraham has been hurt. but the falcons are still underachieving.ummm, that sounds alot like the skins

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I think the skins will win this week. If they just contain Vick a little then there's nothing else Atlanta can do on offense. It will be tough but it can be done.

AZs for Vick vs Campbell, I'll take JC every time. He's much more of a pro style QB that has the potential to get better. Vick is as good as he will ever get (which is not that good) and he's only getting older.

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you've got to question campbell's judgement after watching the carolina game, especially when he got picked off trying to go deep when the redskins were trailing 13-10 in the 4th quarter. let's hope it's nothing more than teething problems. all in all, he hasn't done too badly

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"Campbell is a breath of fresh air here, but the gameplan still seems as conservative as when Brunell was behind center. i'm sure its because they don't want Campbell making mistakes, but turning him into another Brunell isn't the answer. 3 games in is still too little to let him loose, so i expect the same conservative gameplan that needs the defense to show up for us to win."


I dont see any thing wrong with the way Campbell is playing. Balls are getting delivered to the right receivers, he ins't throwing balls away after looking at one receiver. He is going through his reads better than Brunell was. Gibbs said that the Randel El TD was like his 4th read. He is stepping up in the pocket better than Brunell. Turning him into another Brunell,,, I think NOT!! Campbell is throwing the ball down the field, attempting to complete long balls, he is throwing over the middle. throwing for more than 10 and 15 yards. I think as time goes on, he will open up a little more of the passing game, but they just aren't going to do that in the kids first couple of games.

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[quote=xtrmntr;253109]you've got to question campbell's judgement after watching the carolina game, especially when he got picked off trying to go deep when the redskins were trailing 13-10 in the 4th quarter. let's hope it's nothing more than teething problems. all in all, he hasn't done too badly[/quote]

I think you hit it. Some Newbie mistake are going to happen. For me personally, I fell better about JC than I have about any skins QB since...since......in a long time. Dude is cool, totally confident, throws the ball ON TIME. It's EXCELLENT to see