Beatdown Galore
 

Apparently [URL="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cLaAUx4r7ow&NR"]beating down kids in Iraq is OK[/URL]. What's even worse is that these guys take them behind a wall so no one would see the punishment they're dissing out. I'm guessing these kids have norecurse and will probably join the insurgents and kill soldiers without hesitation.

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there is no such thing as no recourse. things are not always what they seem at first, such as the Rodney King thing

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I wouldnt call this a beatdown as more of the kids got what they needed a little discipline, IE hey you throw rocks at my face im gonna hit you on the backside with a switch, they didnt beat em, they spanked them much like a parent would spank their kid with a switch, nothin wrong with that to keep em in line a little bit, if they had started throwin punches or anything like that on the other hand then yes it would be messed up, i dont find this video to be violent at all, these guys are out there everyday gettin shot at and crazy shit like that, dont demoralize the troops cuz they gave these kids, that look to be around 12-14ish a spanking which they deserved

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really, if your one of those people that trashes everything that happens and label it "cruelty" more power to your tree hugging ass. Those iraqi brats clearly need some parenting, the media will always catch the view that will sell the most try to remember that.

Hopefully we will be out of iraq before those brats can be insurgents

And they probably took them behind the wall to protect them and the kids from stray fire you ever think of that?

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[quote=Hog1;253087]there is no such thing as no recourse. things are not always what they seem at first, such as the Rodney King thing[/quote]
how do we know these kids weren't trying to shoot the soldiers? i try not to judge anyone that is involved in Iraq, because i what my rules would be. and those rules would be to get my ass back to the states alive.

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The whole thing is a freaking cluster fuck at this point, we need to start getting the hell outta there.

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[quote=dmek25;253096]how do we know these kids weren't trying to shoot the soldiers? i try not to judge anyone that is involved in Iraq, because i what my rules would be. and those rules would be to get my ass back to the states alive.[/quote]

Hmmmmmm...........maybe I did not phrase that correctly as I agree with you. They probably deserved some discipline, if not punishment. As you say D, and I agree, "Who knows what that was for"? Either way I would reserve judgement until the truth were known. Additionally, I am not one of the PC believers.

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Beating them with sticks? I guess you guys missed the part where they are kicking them just like a parent would kick their kids. One kid even got kicked in the balls while laying down face forward.

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[quote=Hail2theskins;253092]I wouldnt call this a beatdown as more of the kids got what they needed a little discipline, IE hey you throw rocks at my face im gonna hit you on the backside with a switch, they didnt beat em, they spanked them much like a parent would spank their kid with a switch, nothin wrong with that to keep em in line a little bit, if they had started throwin punches or anything like that on the other hand then yes it would be messed up, i dont find this video to be violent at all, these guys are out there everyday gettin shot at and crazy shit like that, dont demoralize the troops cuz they gave these kids, that look to be around 12-14ish a spanking which they deserved[/quote]
THey beat the kids with whips and kicked em in the nuts. Even parents dont do that. That is fucked up.

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[quote=hooskins;253234]THey beat the kids with whips and kicked em in the nuts. Even parents dont do that. That is fucked up.[/quote]
if those kids were trying to shoot the soldiers and all they got was a swift kick in the nuts, i would say that they are pretty lucky

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There's a lot of messed up stuff going on in Iraq on all sides, yet the left only talks about American atrocities and the right only talks about what the Iraqis and foreign insurgents are doing. It's dumb. War sucks and all sides do things that we should loathe. But on the whole, if you want to talk about malicious and evil acts, I think the insurgents have got us beat hands down.

Should I start posting vids of the insurgents beheading people, kidnapping and torturing (not the Gitmo style torturing, but some serious sh-t) people, blowing up U.S. troops as they hand out candy to kids (yes they killed a bunch of troops handing out candy to kids as well as the kids), or killing people just because they belong to the wrong religious sect?

I find it ironic that the far left constantly talks about humanitarian crises and disasters (e.g. Sudan), yet wants us to withdraw from Iraq immediately. What do they think will happen if we withdraw from Iraq? There IS a civil war in Iraq right now, but it's only going to get worse if we leave. Meanwhile, the right could care less about humanitarian crises, yet is using humanitarian concerns, in part, to justify staying in Iraq. Both sides are full of it.

But, do we really need to get into all of this? I think this issue is going to sharply divide a lot of people.

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[QUOTE=dmek25;253238]if those kids were trying to shoot the soldiers and all they got was a swift kick in the nuts, i would say that they are pretty lucky[/QUOTE]

The military's policy is to shoot if shot at even if the shooters are kids. I can guarantee you that all these kids were doing was throw rocks so please no more bs about how these kids "might" have shooting at them. If the kids shot at them they would be dead. Period!

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[quote=saden1;253244]The military's policy is to shoot if shot at even if the shooters are kids. I can guarantee you that all these kids were doing was throw rocks so please no more bs about how these kids "might" have shooting at them. If the kids shot at them they would be dead. Period![/quote]

That reminds me of the movie Black Hawk Down, where the one soldier says something like "Sarge, they're shooting at us!" Sarge says "Well shoot back (dumbass)!"

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[quote=saden1;253244]The military's policy is to shoot if shot at even if the shooters are kids. I can guarantee you that all these kids were doing was throw rocks so please no more bs about how these kids "might" have shooting at them. If the kids shot at them they would be dead. Period![/quote]

So you think that gettin' your ass "ROCKED"...........and whatever by a bunch of street urchins is not cause to deliver some reprisal? Not where I grew up. We need to lose the mentality of being every other countries whipping boy. LET"S PLAY BY THEIR RULES!!! Don't do the crime if you can't do the time! Don't do it. and keep your eye on the sparrow

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[quote=saden1;253244]The military's policy is to shoot if shot at even if the shooters are kids. I can guarantee you that all these kids were doing was throw rocks so please no more bs about how these kids "might" have shooting at them. If the kids shot at them they would be dead. Period![/quote]

These are also British troops, they have different policies than US troops, probably the same but hey you never know. I mean honestly people dont forget that they are fighting a damn war, dont undermine the troops, if you wanna disagree with the war fine but videos like this show the horrors of war and a lot of times are taken out of context, Do you know what was going on 5 minutes before the camera man started taping? No i dont think you do so shut the fuck up and dont ever post anything on this site that is demoralizing these soldiers again, I dont come to the warpath to see this kind of banter, If i wanted that id spend my days carousing CNN.com. These guys are out there looking at life and death everyday, id go ahead and say anyones judgement, although i dont even feel it was wrong in this situation would be a little fucked up in a war situation. thats the problem with the john murthas and john kerrys all these hacks that undermine soldiers fighting in a war, good one guys, way to take a cheap shot at soldiers out there in a warzone.

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[quote=Hail2theskins;253251]These are also British troops, they have different policies than US troops[/quote]
The military's policy should be to shoot back REGARDLESS of the shooters age

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Again, I don't see this going anywhere positive.

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[quote=Sheriff Gonna Getcha;253263]Again, I don't see this going anywhere positive.[/quote]

In all honesty SGG, I'm not sure it's "hoyle" to post your point of view(although I probably agree with most of it), and then suggest the subject matter is out of bounds?
-Devotedly your in moderation

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If kids want to throw rocks, they have to be ready for a beatdown in return.

Here in the states, you throw rocks at someone, and the police catch you, you get charged with assault. If you throw rocks at someone and the police are not around, a lot of people will try to kick your ass.

I don't see anything wrong here. They threw rocks, they took a beating. Big deal. They'll live.

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Just to add a different perspective...

Here in the States we know throwing rocks is a chargeable offense no matter the circumstances but I wonder what is the lawful punishment in the Arab world. I only ask because isn't the practice of "stoning" still used as a punishment? Do the people really think that they are breaking the law by throwing stones at a group of people whom they believe are "the bad guys"? In the Arab world, are the youths justified by throwing rocks at a foreign occupant?

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[quote=724Skinsfan;253272]Just to add a different perspective...

Here in the States we know throwing rocks is a chargeable offense no matter the circumstances but I wonder what is the lawful punishment in the Arab world. I only ask because isn't the practice of "stoning" still used as a punishment? Do the people really think that they are breaking the law by throwing stones at a group of people whom they believe are "the bad guys"? In the Arab world, are the youths justified by throwing rocks at a foreign occupant?[/quote]

to give you the counter of that, what do you think wouldve happened if those kids were to throw rocks at their own soldiers? Or the other side of the civil wars soldiers? I doubt the there would have been any such leniancy

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[quote=724Skinsfan;253272]Just to add a different perspective...

Here in the States we know throwing rocks is a chargeable offense no matter the circumstances but I wonder what is the lawful punishment in the Arab world. I only ask because isn't the practice of "stoning" still used as a punishment? Do the people really think that they are breaking the law by throwing stones at a group of people whom they believe are "the bad guys"? In the Arab world, are the youths justified by throwing rocks at a foreign occupant?[/quote]

:rolleyes:

Better question, if you're a soldier and someone's throwing rocks at you, what are you going to do about it? Stand there and let them do it because they believe you've broken the law???

That point makes no sense. The cultural sensitivity is great and all 724, but definitely taking it too far. There was no stoning taking place there. They hurled rocks because either A) they hate the occupying soldiers or B) they were just being punk kids. Either way, you can't throw rocks and not expect a beating, I don't care what culture you come from.

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[QUOTE=Hog1;253264]In all honesty SGG, I'm not sure it's "hoyle" to post your point of view(although I probably agree with most of it), and then suggest the subject matter is out of bounds?
-Devotedly your in moderation[/QUOTE]

Yeah, you're right. I guess I couldn't resist posting my opinion.

I don't actually oppose the discussion of politics here (at least in theory). What I don't like to see are personal attacks which these kinds of threads usually lead to.

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[quote=saden1;253244]The military's policy is to shoot if shot at even if the shooters are kids. I can guarantee you that all these kids were doing was throw rocks so please no more bs about how these kids "might" have shooting at them. If the kids shot at them they would be dead. Period![/quote]
yeah, and i can see the press now, if that video was of troops shooting kids. give me a break. most U.S. soldiers do not yearn for the chance to shoot a child. that would be something that would stick with you your entire life. even if the kid deserved it

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[quote=Sheriff Gonna Getcha;253275]Yeah, you're right. I guess I couldn't resist posting my opinion.

I don't actually oppose the discussion of politics here (at least in theory). What I don't like to see are personal attacks which these kinds of threads usually lead to.[/quote]
Yeah... I sort of have taken a conservative approach to these poltical threads. When it appears some elevated discourse may take place... then its all good. I'll post away.

However, Alot of posters on here can't even talk about a football team w/ out getting emotional, much less discuss something meaningful and potentially nerve racking such as politics.

Someones toes are always stepped on, so I tread cautiously through this kind of stuff.

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and shooting kids embodies the classic example of something that will offend someone really really quick.

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[quote=Sheriff Gonna Getcha;253275]Yeah, you're right. I guess I couldn't resist posting my opinion.

I don't actually oppose the discussion of politics here (at least in theory). What I don't like to see are personal attacks which these kinds of threads usually lead to.[/quote]
As you said, it is indeed a provocative issue

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[quote=Schneed10;253274]:rolleyes:

Better question, if you're a soldier and someone's throwing rocks at you, what are you going to do about it? Stand there and let them do it because they believe you've broken the law???

That point makes no sense. The cultural sensitivity is great and all 724, but definitely taking it too far. There was no stoning taking place there. They hurled rocks because either A) they hate the occupying soldiers or B) they were just being punk kids. Either way, you can't throw rocks and not expect a beating, I don't care what culture you come from.[/quote]

If someone throws a rock at me, I throw a bigger rock back at them, in any part of this world. I was curious to know how the Arab world views images of kids throwing stones at not just American soldiers but any group that has done a perceived wrong. At what level is rock throwing taken over there? Criminal or simply as Harrassment/Protest?

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[QUOTE=Sheriff Gonna Getcha;253263]Again, I don't see this going anywhere positive.[/QUOTE]

Very true.

It's unfortunate that so many people are incapable of having a constructive political / philosophical debate with resorting to name calling and profanity.

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Actually, I thought the discussion regarding a very volatile issue had proceeded rather civilly to this point

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[QUOTE=Hog1;253315]Actually, I thought the discussion regarding a very volatile issue had proceeded rather civilly to this point[/QUOTE]

Agreed. My only point is that these things usually don't proceed with civility for long.

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[quote=Hog1;253257]The military's policy should be to shoot back REGARDLESS of the shooters age[/quote]

Especially when the enemy routinely straps bombs onto their own children to use as weapons and they hide in homes and behind women when firing at us.

If we play nice, they'll kill us before we can kill them.

War is not pretty, but we'll never acheive peace until we kill the people who don't want it.

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[quote=Sheriff Gonna Getcha;253319]Agreed. My only point is that these things usually don't proceed with civility for long.[/quote]

Your correct, it's still early

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[QUOTE=Hail2theskins;253251]These are also British troops, they have different policies than US troops, probably the same but hey you never know. I mean honestly people dont forget that they are fighting a damn war, dont undermine the troops, if you wanna disagree with the war fine but videos like this show the horrors of war and a lot of times are taken out of context, Do you know what was going on 5 minutes before the camera man started taping? No i dont think you do so shut the fuck up and dont ever post anything on this site that is demoralizing these soldiers again, I dont come to the warpath to see this kind of banter, If i wanted that id spend my days carousing CNN.com. These guys are out there looking at life and death everyday, id go ahead and say anyones judgement, although i dont even feel it was wrong in this situation would be a little fucked up in a war situation. thats the problem with the john murthas and john kerrys all these hacks that undermine soldiers fighting in a war, good one guys, way to take a cheap shot at soldiers out there in a warzone.[/QUOTE]

That's real mature, so not agreeing with beating kids means I'm undermining the troops? Do you even know what it means undermine the troops? In the future, if you can't put together a constructive argument and be civil please sit down.




....it's probably time to close this thread.

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[quote=saden1;253370]That's real mature, so not agreeing with beating kids means I'm undermining the troops? Do you even know what it means undermine the troops? In the future, if you can't put together a constructive argument and be civil please sit down.




....it's probably time to close this thread.[/quote]
undermining the troops is what a republican says when someone disagrees with the iraqi war. saden, you are probably right, time to move on and close this before......

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I concur. If any other mod disagrees, please re-open it.

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Should have closed this a long time ago. Furthermore, let's not post any more war related stories, videos, etc. Unfortunately, we have demonstrated twice in the past week that as a whole we are incapable of discussing such politically charged topics without resorting to name calling.

Let's save the name calling for topics like Who's a Worse FA Signing-Patten or Archuleta?

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