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who's your goat?

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I'm going with the coaching on this one. We had them on the ropes, and we got away from the run.

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the coaching goes with the D. the defense was terrible

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[quote=Mattyk72;254918]who's your goat?[/quote]

Why would you even put JC in there?

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I think ultimately it's the D. Campbell + coaching created a problem though, but it's tough to seperate the blame between the two. Either way, it's about half what the defense was.

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[quote=skinsfan69;254926]Why would you even put JC in there?[/quote]

Someone will vote for him, just watch

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Secondary and LBs

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The D got gashed today by the best rushing team in the NFL. A part of me can't hate on that too much. But still, it's tough to win when you give up 200+.

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Has to be the D. They let the Falcons stay in the game and Atlanta made the big plays.

O-line was largely responsible for the 1st qtr success. Poor protection schemes and lack of help from the rbs had more to with Atlanta's success in blitzing than just the o-line's play.

Jason made mistakes, but the defense failed to give him more opportunities.

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[quote=skinsfan69;254926]Why would you even put JC in there?[/quote]Because he was 18/38 for 217 (5.7 yards an attempt) with 2 INTs. That's not good enough to win. Brunell's worst game wasn't that bad.

It's not all his fault (his statline...the game was never in his control), but either way, he didn't get it done today. He wasn't as big as a problem as the defense, but IMO he regressed today.

Let's hope he gets back on track vs. Phily.

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The defense let it go today, not just 200+ yards total rushing but the average of over 7 yards every time they rushed. Completely unacceptable. A good LB that could stuff the run could help our defense immensely

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Easily the defense. Allowing 250+ yards on the ground is a way to easily lose the game, which we did.

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i could of ran on our d today

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people are too scared to admit campbell was the goat because they want to imagine he is awesome from the start of his career. he will have bumps along the way, and this was definitely one of them. in the end the defense gave up 24 points, and the offense couldnt score after the first few minutes. i voted for campbell, and im shocked that im the only one. that first int cost us the game IMO. that totally changed momentum. sure the defense let us down, but they were on the field an awful lot because of our inability to consistently complete passes

PS: to the guy asking why campbell is even on the list. 52 QB rating. 18/38 1 td 2 int. if mark brunell did the same thing everyone would be killing him right now

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Campbell struggled but that was a direct result of the crappy pass protection. Too often he had guys running at him totally unblocked. Not sure what anyone would expect him to do.

I don't know how anyone can blame JC when the D gave up 200+ on the ground. I guess it goes back to that blame Brunell for everything syndrome.

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[QUOTE=Mattyk72;254998]Campbell struggled but that was a direct result of the crappy pass protection. Too often he had guys running at him totally unblocked. Not sure what anyone would expect him to do.

I don't know how anyone can blame JC when the D gave up 200+ on the ground. I guess it goes back to that blame Brunell for everything syndrome.[/QUOTE]

when the offense cant convert 3rd downs, the defense is on the field too long. his turnover had a direct effect on the defense, and the momentum for the rest of the game

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[quote=Big C;255000]when the offense cant convert 3rd downs, the defense is on the field too long. his turnover had a direct effect on the defense, and the momentum for the rest of the game[/quote]

C'mon don't let the D off the hook so easy. We still won the TOP battle, so don't tell me the D was tired.

I agree the offense didn't do much in the 2nd half but let's get real, 256 yards given up on the ground is inexcusable and will lose you the game almost every time.

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[QUOTE=Mattyk72;255006]C'mon don't let the D off the hook so easy. We still won the TOP battle, so don't tell me the D was tired.

I agree the offense didn't do much in the 2nd half but let's get real, 256 yards given up on the ground is inexcusable and will lose you the game almost every time.[/QUOTE]

im not letting the D off the hook. im making sure campbell doesnt get off easy, which it looks like so far he has. the defense was bad, but so was campbell and i havent seen anyone discussing that yet. again, if this was brunell he would have been slaughtered but everyone here is too enamoured with campbell

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[quote=Big C;255011]im not letting the D off the hook. im making sure campbell doesnt get off easy, which it looks like so far he has. the defense was bad, but so was campbell and i havent seen anyone discussing that yet. again, if this was brunell he would have been slaughtered but everyone here is too enamoured with campbell[/quote]

Of course the big difference is Campbell is making his 3rd start while MB was a 500 year vet. I think that's why people are willing to cut him some slack.

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[quote=Mattyk72;254998]Campbell struggled but that was a direct result of the crappy pass protection. Too often he had guys running at him totally unblocked. Not sure what anyone would expect him to do.

I don't know how anyone can blame JC when the D gave up 200+ on the ground. I guess it goes back to that blame Brunell for everything syndrome.[/quote]You are right, Matty. A lot of people assumed that even without seeing JC take a snap, that putting him in would be an improvement over Brunell. I hope the more objective of these fans are starting to see how that isn't the case.

Campbell has certainly brought an element with the deep ball that Brunell didn't have. But so far, he has struggled to complete passes underneath and move the chains. He has made up for it with running sometimes, but a lot of our drives are stalling because we either pick up 15 yards at a time, or we throw 3 incompletes in a row. Our offensive efficency has suffered.

To date, Campbell has done a good job taking care of the football, but he looked more like a rookie than a second year player today. THAT is why Brunell gives us the best chance to win.

Now I'll shift gears and reiterate why making the switch was a good decision. After the Philadelphia loss, we didn't have a realistic shot to win the division. We did however have a realistic shot to make the playoffs if we stayed with MB and the defense improved. But only as a wild card. And in my opinion, and I believe that of Joe Gibbs, getting lucky and getting the WC would not have accomplised our goals. So after the division got away, we made the switch, IRed Portis (as opposed to having him sit for 3 weeks, and play the rest of the year with a torn labrum), and moved toward the the future. So it was better to go about .500 with Campbell and miss the playoffs by 2 games than to stay with Brunell and and still have a good chance to miss. I'll buy that decision.

Back to the game, the defense did play the way it was playing all season. But I ask myself this: If they had given up only 17 defensive points (including the Campbell INT, giving them a short field), did the offense play well enough to win? I'm not so sure it did. Betts and the running game did it's part, but we've become predictable in our run pass playcalling based on personel packages, and protection issues aside, Campbell didn't even complete 50%. If he's not getting the football to his teammates (not even his backs), he can't be absolved of blame.

It's not his fault we lost...but I'm not sure he played well enough to win.

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[quote=Mattyk72;255014]Of course the big difference is Campbell is making his 3rd start while MB was a 500 year vet. I think that's why people are willing to cut him some slack.[/quote]He deserves some slack, but all Big C and I are saying is that since he replaced Brunell, his performance should be graded on the same standard. We can cut him slack after we identify what he needs to improve on.

No one (well no one reasonable anyway) thinks this is a sign he will bust, it's just a bad game.

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[quote=GTripp0012;255036]You are right, Matty. A lot of people assumed that even without seeing JC take a snap, that putting him in would be an improvement over Brunell. I hope the more objective of these fans are starting to see how that isn't the case.

Campbell has certainly brought an element with the deep ball that Brunell didn't have. But so far, he has struggled to complete passes underneath and move the chains. He has made up for it with running sometimes, but a lot of our drives are stalling because we either pick up 15 yards at a time, or we throw 3 incompletes in a row. Our offensive efficency has suffered.

To date, Campbell has done a good job taking care of the football, but he looked more like a rookie than a second year player today. THAT is why Brunell gives us the best chance to win.

Now I'll shift gears and reiterate why making the switch was a good decision. After the Philadelphia loss, we didn't have a realistic shot to win the division. We did however have a realistic shot to make the playoffs if we stayed with MB and the defense improved. But only as a wild card. And in my opinion, and I believe that of Joe Gibbs, getting lucky and getting the WC would not have accomplised our goals. So after the division got away, we made the switch, IRed Portis (as opposed to having him sit for 3 weeks, and play the rest of the year with a torn labrum), and moved toward the the future. So it was better to go about .500 with Campbell and miss the playoffs by 2 games than to stay with Brunell and and still have a good chance to miss. I'll buy that decision.

Back to the game, the defense did play the way it was playing all season. But I ask myself this: If they had given up only 17 defensive points (including the Campbell INT, giving them a short field), did the offense play well enough to win? I'm not so sure it did. Betts and the running game did it's part, but we've become predictable in our run pass playcalling based on personel packages, and protection issues aside, Campbell didn't even complete 50%. If he's not getting the football to his teammates (not even his backs), he can't be absolved of blame.

It's not his fault we lost...but I'm not sure he played well enough to win.[/quote]
Very well put.

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[quote=GTripp0012;255043]He deserves some slack, but all Big C and I are saying is that since he replaced Brunell, his performance should be graded on the same standard. We can cut him slack after we identify what he needs to improve on.

No one (well no one reasonable anyway) thinks this is a sign he will bust, it's just a bad game.[/quote]

That makes no sense, how can you judge a QB making his 3rd start vs. a 14 year vet and judge them on the [B]same standard[/B]??

If that's the case why shouldn't we bench JC now too?

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[QUOTE=Mattyk72;255064]That makes no sense, how can you judge a QB making his 3rd start vs. a 14 year vet and judge them on the [B]same standard[/B]??

If that's the case why shouldn't we bench JC now too?[/QUOTE]

a young qb with little experience can still be the main reason we lost the game. just because he is learning doesnt mean he cant be blamed for the loss. forget that he is a young qb, look at how he played. he was a main reason, if not the main reason that we did not win the game, but he wont be benched for it because the rest of this season is just to groom him

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Jon Jansen!

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I voted for Campbell. But, hey, it was only his third start. I'm in no way saying he should be benched. He made newbie mistakes. Big deal. I expect him to make more. As long as he is learning from them and progresses from week to week, which I have full confidence he will, that's all I care about.

As far as blaming the defense, I don't agree with it. You can't expect the D to win every game for us. I think our offense hasn't scored more than 17 points in the last 4 games or something like that. Campbell did make some poor decisions which ultimately cost the game.

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I would expect the defense not give up a mile of rushing yards though.

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[quote=Citizens for 81;255082]I would expect the defense not give up a mile of rushing yards though.[/quote]


Hahaha...very true.

But the Falcons are one the best rushing teams in the league. I don't care if it is all Vick or not. I think we could cut our D some slack on that one. It still doesn't excuse our lack of offensive production.

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[quote=Mattyk72;255064]That makes no sense, how can you judge a QB making his 3rd start vs. a 14 year vet and judge them on the [B]same standard[/B]??

If that's the case why shouldn't we bench JC now too?[/quote]Don't take what I said the wrong way.

Grading them on the same standard simply means if 13/27 for 149 and 1 INT is bad for Brunell, its ALSO bad for Campbell. If 16/21 for 149 and 1 TD is good for Campbell, its also good for Brunell. Assuming there wasnt an event or two that completely skewed the stats, QB performance is standard.

After you reach that point, then you factor in that Campbell is your future and there is more important things at this point in the year than playing your best player. Once you replace your vet with the future, you don't go back, it sends a horrible message. So after this loss espically, I think going back would be a terrible decision. It's more acceptable for Campbell to have a bad day, but it's also acceptable for ALL QBs to have bad days.

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[quote=Hog's Breath;255090]Hahaha...very true.

But the Falcons are one the best rushing teams in the league. I don't care if it is all Vick or not. I think we could cut our D some slack on that one. It still doesn't excuse our lack of offensive production.[/quote]They also threw for more than their per game average against us, so it was a bad performance all around.

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[quote=GTripp0012;255096]They also threw for more than their per game average against us, so it was a bad performance all around.[/quote]

Without Springs playing.

And you can't tell me he wouldn't have had an impact, not after the Carolina game.

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[quote=Hog's Breath;255110]Without Springs playing.

And you can't tell me he wouldn't have had an impact, not after the Carolina game.[/quote]Certainly that was part of it, but we had them locked down for a quarter...so I feel Springs' presence may be a tad overrated.

Either way, doesn't change the shitty performance.

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[quote=GTripp0012;255120]Certainly that was part of it, but we had them locked down for a quarter...so I feel Springs' presence may be a tad overrated.

Either way, doesn't change the shitty performance.[/quote]

I could agree with that to some extent.

Makes you wonder how we stoned them in the 1st qtr and just whiffed the rest of the game.

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[quote=Hog's Breath;255129]I could agree with that to some extent.

Makes you wonder how we stoned them in the 1st qtr and just whiffed the rest of the game.[/quote]Or how we stoned them for 5 straight quarters, but have been purely awful before that and since that.

The play of the defense this year has been simply bizarre.

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[quote=Hog's Breath;255079]I voted for Campbell. But, hey, it was only his third start. I'm in no way saying he should be benched. He made newbie mistakes. Big deal. I expect him to make more. As long as he is learning from them and progresses from week to week, which I have full confidence he will, that's all I care about.

As far as blaming the defense, I don't agree with it. You can't expect the D to win every game for us. I think our offense hasn't scored more than 17 points in the last 4 games or something like that. Campbell did make some poor decisions which ultimately cost the game.[/quote]

The D didn't have to win the game, but c'mon man 250 yards given up on the ground?

I'm really amazed at how some are so quick to let the D off the hook, not only in this game but all season long.

When Travis Henry ripped us for 180 all we heard was how bad Brunell was.

I really don't get it.

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My goat was the coaches.

Campbell was off but he did have poor protection at times from the O line. However, the O line performed well in the running game. The D lived up (or down?!?) to their ranking--going up against the best running team in the league. And they played without Springs--who was missed when the Falcons went at Wright/Jimoh at key times in the game. So it seems that there was enough blame to go around.

I gave it to the Skins' coaches by a hair since they were outcoached. Mora and Co. put the ball in Dunn/Norwood's gut and out of Vick's arm and waited for the Skins to make mistakes. That is the very thing the Skins' coaches should have done (not only for the first quarter but for the entire game). The game seemed to turn when Saunders called that poodle reverse to ARE in the first half. In addition, Gibbs had some dubious game management decisions.

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young QB's make mistakes, he just outright blew this game missing easy passes and giving away a TD. The growing process is painful for the QB but even more painful for the fan. I might be alone when I say this but if we had Mark out there today I think we would have won.

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[QUOTE=Mattyk72;254928]Someone will vote for him, just watch[/QUOTE]

I voted for Campbell.

Ya the D wasn't great but it's old news already - our D sucks. Considering Soft Springs was out (again) and they were facing a great rushing team, I don't think the D played that horrible.

I think Campbell had a bad game especially in the 2nd half. He couldn't handle the pressure at all. Granted the O-line pass protection wasn't great, but the Falcons were sending the house on many plays and you can only block so many guys. The QB has to make the quick read and find the open guy (Cooley) or get rid of the ball. JC looked sluggish today. I found he looked really slow dropping back and didn't show the same composure back there. And that INT he threw was huge and turned the whole tide of the game.

I'm not a JC hater or anything, but for this game he was the goat.

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[quote=Mattyk72;255145]The D didn't have to win the game, but c'mon man 250 yards given up on the ground?

I'm really amazed at how some are so quick to let the D off the hook, not only in this game but all season long.

When Travis Henry ripped us for 180 all we heard was how bad Brunell was.

I really don't get it.[/quote]

Yeah, 250 yds to the league's #1 rushing offense. What did you expect? I'm not saying the D is completely absolved from any blame, but we gotta put more than 14 points on the board. That only wins you games when you have a defense like the Bears.

Don't get me wrong, I love Campbell, but our passing game was terrible today. Even though we had some critical dropped passes, it wasn't good. We were not very good on third down conversions either which is normally a passing down. There was no reason we should not have scored more points than we did, IMO. Atlanta's D is nothing to write home about.

My biggest prob with our defense is that we didn't create any turnovers. THAT is not doing the O any favors.

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[QUOTE=Mattyk72;255145]The D didn't have to win the game, but c'mon man 250 yards given up on the ground?

I'm really amazed at how some are so quick to let the D off the hook, not only in this game but all season long.

When Travis Henry ripped us for 180 all we heard was how bad Brunell was.

I really don't get it.[/QUOTE]

I'll let the D off the hook because really we only scored 14 points...which won't win you too many NFL games. Yes the D gave up 24, but Campbell pretty much handed them 7 too. They didnt play well, but I dont think they were the sole reason why we lost, it was kinda a team effort in sucking (as ususal lol)

That being said I voted Campbell because I thought he played the worst out of anyone today. Basically he made the mistakes that were the reason we wanted him to start this year for, so that we can avoid them in the future. I'm absolutley fine with it, but I really thought his one INT was the difference in the game. Again, he made the rookie mistakes we expected him to make, I'm not mad or worried about it at all. If anything, making mistakes like that will help him in the future, and the whole reason he is playing is so we can be better in the future. If him doing that today means he wont do it in the playoffs in 2 years, then thats why we choose to start him now. I just dont want people to take this as piling on Campbell. I just thought if were picking an individuall goat, looking at just the game, I'd choose him. Although I dont think he was put in great spots either.