Randle El Signing Shows Why Skins Can't Compete
 

Signing Randle El to that ridiculous #1 WR contract is another in a long string of high-priced flops that characterizes the Snyder era. Like so many of these signings, most people knew the day the deal was ANNOUNCED that it was a terrible move. This is the biggest and most obvious disaster since Snyder signed Deion Sanders a year after it was obvious that Sanders had plummeted as a player.


There was and is no way Randle El could ever have lived up to that contract. That's $8M on signing bonus and $27M of salary cap money that could have brought in a gaggle of decent to superior players. As bad as Brunell may have been, who was he going to throw to? Santana Moss has been a non-factor most of the year, Randle El is largely useless as a wideout, which leaves Brandon Lloyd. Even the Eagles acquisition of Stallworth makes the Redskins look dumb in comparison, as he's better than BOTH Randle and Lloyd.

I don't care who your QB, or your coach, or anyone is. You aren't going to have success if you don't draft or bring in quality players who meet or exceed their pay scale.

And this is hardly an isolated incident. The incompetance is ongoing. Anyone think that TJ Duckett deal made any sense at all? The guys gone in another month, and so is our 3rd round pick.

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Welcome to the board!

Sorry to have to disagree with your first post, but I love the guy. ARE and Carter are the two free agents we signed this past offseason who I cannot complain about.

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Randle El is a much needed playmake, who would you rather have returning punts in this league??? and don't tell me that isnt important, plus he can catch the ball. It's no his fault that all we do is run the ball.

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[quote=Sheriff Gonna Getcha;255673]Welcome to the board!

Sorry to have to disagree with your first post, but I love the guy. ARE and Carter are the two free agents we signed this past offseason who I cannot complain about.[/quote]

Totally, they will be fine.
On another note, we are pioneering another type of fan. We seem to be collecting a large number of NEW bashers. Not your routine sort of Bandwagon Fare, but interesting. Only in Skins land

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My freinds that are Steelers fans laughed when the Skins signed ARE to that outrageous contract. Thats a lot of $ for a punt returner and a trick play specialist. I think the Skins would have done better signing Jurevicious but he's not flashy enough for this organization.

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I like lloyd and ARE. Like the post above its not their fault we can't get the ball to them. And yes we over paid for them.

The bigger question here is why get these guys if we are going to play "redskins" football. You have all this talent and used money that you are not going to see play. If we are going to play "redskins" running the ball football why not sign a stud o-lineman instead of signing 2 wr's.

I'm not saying we shouldn't run the ball but our FO has to make up their mind and build our team around it.

BTW...Lloyd can block. Has anyone else noticed this?

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[QUOTE=irish;255707]I think the Skins would have done better signing Jurevicious but he's not flashy enough for this organization.[/QUOTE]

No, he's just old (32). Don't get me wrong, he's a very good wideout, but I'm glad we didn't sign him.

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Randle El was a poor signing, we signed him not to be a reciever, but to be a punt returner and a gimmick man. So far he has negative rushing yards this season, and has yet to complete a pass. Not to mention that (with the exception of his td where he just ran straight) even his big returns are only for about 10 yards. 30 mil for a good punt returner who doesnt return kickoffs or contribute in any other way to special teams, yea thats a great signing. Dont get me wrong I dont think he is a bad player, he returns the ball well and is a mediocre reciever, I just think that his role deserves to have about a 7 million dollar contract over 3 years, because we can sign way more players that we need.

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[quote=redsk1;255708]I like lloyd and ARE. Like the post above its not their fault we can't get the ball to them. And yes we over paid for them.

The bigger question here is why get these guys if we are going to play "redskins" football. You have all this talent and used money that you are not going to see play. If we are going to play "redskins" running the ball football why not sign a stud o-lineman instead of signing 2 wr's.

I'm not saying we shouldn't run the ball but our FO has to make up their mind and build our team around it.

BTW...Lloyd can block. Has anyone else noticed this?[/quote]

Good point, small fast receiver dont cator to "REDSKIN FOOTBALL" in any way, shape or form. Duckett cators to redskin football, but he doesnt get the ball haha

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Brian Mitchell would be your best chance to argue for Randle El. Brian Mitchell was an outstanding return guy and 3rd down back who seemed to be that extra wrinkle that made the Skins so dominant in 1991. I haven't looked up the stats, but is Randle El even a middle-of-the-pack return guy? He seems subpar at best. Mitchell was a rare player who seemed to have no specific role but made huge contributions to the Redskins over the years. I'm not sure even HE would warrant such outstanding compensation, though.

And many of you are just too willing to look past what the Redskins got for what the Redskins paid. For $5M bonus and $16M? Ok, maybe. But Randle El got paid #1 WR money. Look down the list of the top 30 NFL receivers and tell me you will ever find his name on it? Randle El is the wideout equivalent to the former Rams Az Hakim, not Torry Holt.

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[quote=The Zimmermans;255712]Good point, small fast receiver dont cator to "REDSKIN FOOTBALL" in any way, shape or form. Duckett cators to redskin football, but he doesnt get the ball haha[/quote]

Do the smurfs ring a bell at all, or the Posse?

Outside of Monk Gibbs always favored the small and quicker WRs.

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[quote=redsk1;255708]I like lloyd and ARE. Like the post above its not their fault we can't get the ball to them. And yes we over paid for them.

The bigger question here is why get these guys if we are going to play "redskins" football. You have all this talent and used money that you are not going to see play. If we are going to play "redskins" running the ball football why not sign a stud o-lineman instead of signing 2 wr's.

I'm not saying we shouldn't run the ball but our FO has to make up their mind and build our team around it.

BTW...Lloyd can block. Has anyone else noticed this?[/quote]
Excellent point about signing 2 WRs and then ignoring the O-Line. One of the great contants of Gibbs 1.0 was superior O-line play. Yesterday, the O-line blocked beautifully for Betts, but the blitz pickups (or lack thereof) cost the team a chance to win the game. I love ARE's game - I wish we'd try to get him the ball in space downfield instead of repeatedly running reverses.

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[QUOTE=irish;255707]My freinds that are Steelers fans laughed when the Skins signed ARE to that outrageous contract. Thats a lot of $ for a punt returner and a trick play specialist. I think the Skins would have done better signing Jurevicious but he's not flashy enough for this organization.[/QUOTE]

those same guys are sure as hell wishing they had him back. the steelers are greatly missing Randle El this year - big time! That guy does a lot that doesn't show up in the stat books. He is a bonafide game-changer. Although we may have over-paid a bit, I think it was a great signing. The bad decision, no horrible decision, was to sign brandon lloyd right after the ARE signing. Now, that was stupid!

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[quote=Mattyk72;255721]Do the smurfs ring a bell at all, or the Posse?

Outside of Monk Gibbs always favored the small and quicker WRs.[/quote]

But........... Gibbs had Monk. He has no big WR now.

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[QUOTE=BeastsoftheNFCeast;255711]Randle El was a poor signing, we signed him not to be a reciever, but to be a punt returner and a gimmick man. So far he has negative rushing yards this season, and has yet to complete a pass. Not to mention that (with the exception of his td where he just ran straight) even his big returns are only for about 10 yards. 30 mil for a good punt returner who doesnt return kickoffs or contribute in any other way to special teams, yea thats a great signing. Dont get me wrong I dont think he is a bad player, he returns the ball well and is a mediocre reciever, I just think that his role deserves to have about a 7 million dollar contract over 3 years, because we can sign way more players that we need.[/QUOTE]

great addition to the team, terrible job by the coaches of utilizing the talent.

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[quote=mason4415;255799]those same guys are sure as hell wishing they had him back. the steelers are greatly missing Randle El this year - big time! That guy does a lot that doesn't show up in the stat books. He is a bonafide game-changer. Although we may have over-paid a bit, I think it was a great signing. The bad decision, no horrible decision, was to sign brandon lloyd right after the ARE signing. Now, that was stupid![/quote]

Are you crazy? The only way ARE could have helped the Steelers this year would be to replace Roethlisberger as QB, and that'd have only worked because Roethlisberger was so terrible early in the year and if you project out ARE's QB rating over 200 throws. Besides, the Steeler's defense has been as disappointing as the Redskins, and both were comparably strong at the end of last season.

I guarantee you any conversation to offer ARE anything near Redskin money wouldn't have lasted 5 minutes in Rooney's office, unless they needed more time to stop laughing.

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Randle-El was not signed to be JUST a punt returner -- he was signed to be a starting WR, IN ADDITION to being a punt returner. It's hard to compare his contract to that of other WRs who don't return punts. Which brings me to another point: ARE is a good punt returner, and whenever the guy has the ball he can make people miss. Don't forget that he returned one for a TD this year. (and if I remember correctly, he did it by splitting two defenders).

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I would be happy with EITHER Lloyd or Randle El, they both have their moments...but did we really need to get both, giving up two roster spots, a 3rd round pick, a 4th round pick, and countless millions when our WR sitution simply lacked depth?

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[quote=brent;255812]and if you project out ARE's QB rating over 200 throws. [/quote]If you project his rating over 200 throws...then WHAT? Oh the suspense!! Help me!!

I have no idea where you are going with this though, but you at least started your sentence as if you were going to drop a statistical bombshell.

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[QUOTE=brent;255812]Are you crazy? The only way ARE could have helped the Steelers this year would be to replace Roethlisberger as QB, and that'd have only worked because Roethlisberger was so terrible early in the year and if you project out ARE's QB rating over 200 throws. Besides, the Steeler's defense has been as disappointing as the Redskins, and both were comparably strong at the end of last season.

I guarantee you any conversation to offer ARE anything near Redskin money wouldn't have lasted 5 minutes in Rooney's office, unless they needed more time to stop laughing.[/QUOTE]

actually no, i am not. i live in pittsburgh. that's all anyone ever talks about here. i know what i'm talking about. the steelers offense misses ARE desperately. their receivers BLOW!

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[quote=61cad;255801]But........... Gibbs had Monk. He has no big WR now.[/quote]

is there a huge difference in height between monk and lloyed ?

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[quote=mason4415;255832]actually no, i am not. i live in pittsburgh. that's all anyone ever talks about here. i know what i'm talking about. the steelers offense misses ARE desperately. their receivers BLOW![/quote]


i agree with you 100% , i know a bunch of steelers fans and everyone of them wishes the steelers would have kept A.R.EL.

he was more important to that offense then people give him credit for.

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Randle el isnt used properly therefore he isnt as effective...My coach said this to me at practice today

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We need to keep Randle el and Moss and Lloyd

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[QUOTE=61cad;255801]But........... Gibbs had Monk. He has no big WR now.[/QUOTE]

Monk was by many teams slated as a TE in fact i belive he played some TE here kind of like the hybrid HB possition Cooley played in the first two years he was here .... so in fact yes Gibbs does have a big WR type target now. ARE and Lloyd have to be given time to pan out the issue is in three years time thier contracts start to get bigger so it would be renegocitation time or bye time for one or both

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[QUOTE=wolfeskins;255836]is there a huge difference in height between monk and lloyed ?[/QUOTE]

Art Monk 6-3 and 210.
Brandon Lloyd 6-0 and 192.

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[quote=brent;255812]Are you crazy? The only way ARE could have helped the Steelers this year would be to replace Roethlisberger as QB, and that'd have only worked because Roethlisberger was so terrible early in the year and if you project out ARE's QB rating over 200 throws. Besides, the Steeler's defense has been as disappointing as the Redskins, and both were comparably strong at the end of last season.

I guarantee you any conversation to offer ARE anything near Redskin money wouldn't have lasted 5 minutes in Rooney's office, unless they needed more time to stop laughing.[/quote]
first, i don't think that roethlisberger is really the problem in Pitts. the offensive line is. they are not running the football with any consistency, and alot of games big Ben is running for his life. sure, i think he can play better, but last year he only threw the ball about 15-20 times a game. and the point about the Rooney's and money is a joke. the never pay anyone( except for Staley) and we see how that worked out. our receivers are as good as any in the league. but if you don't get the ball thrown your way, no one knows. and welcome to the board

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[quote=Mattyk72;255721]Do the smurfs ring a bell at all, or the Posse?

Outside of Monk Gibbs always favored the small and quicker WRs.[/quote]

not to mention, that Gibbs had each of the Posse get over 1000 yards a season, and still played "redskin football."

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[QUOTE=brent;255812]Are you crazy? The only way ARE could have helped the Steelers this year would be to replace Roethlisberger as QB[/QUOTE]
Yeah becuse S. Holmes is such a great return guy, I mean hell look at how he did for the Steelers when they faced KC and Denver, I mean I wish ARE could fumble the way he does on special teams...

Look lets face it like it mentioned earlier, last year ol' Big Ben threw the ball at most 20 times a game. Thanks to the awsome running game and always having a short field to work with thanks to...Yep you guessed it, Mr. Antwaan Randle El...

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[quote=61cad;255801]But........... Gibbs had Monk. He has no big WR now.[/quote]

We do have Cooley though who is a better receiving TE than Gibbs ever had in his first run.

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To all the people who bash ARE, let's take a look at the past for a second. He was the third receiver in Pitt for a while behind Burress. It was not until he was the number 2 guy that they won the superbowl. I know that most of the credit goes to a great defense and a solid running game, but they had that before. Anytime ARE gets the ball he has the potential to make a big play, just like he did for Pitt last year, I'm glad we have him. Once we can get him the ball more I think he'll show to be a great acquisition. Plus, I heard he's a good locker room guy, someone that the players respect and always stays positive. We need a veteran guy like him to help lead this team.

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[quote=Mattyk72;255978]We do have Cooley though who is a better receiving TE than Gibbs ever had in his first run.[/quote]

That's comparing apples to oranges. Cooley doesn't have WR speed or hands.

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[quote=61cad;255998]That's comparing apples to oranges. Cooley doesn't have WR speed or hands.[/quote]

I'm just comparing offensive weapons. The big WR theory is seriously overrated these days anyway, especially with the new rules that favor the WRs.

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[quote=Mattyk72;256024]I'm just comparing offensive weapons. The big WR theory is seriously overrated these days anyway, especially with the new rules that favor the WRs.[/quote]

If that's true, it will be interesting to see how high Calvin Johnson gets drafted if

he comes out this year.

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I've been wondering about that...
Maybe a lot of familiar people under new names? A lot seem to "slide" into the discussion more easily than a lot of newbies. (E.g., wouldn't a true newbie start posting slowly and then gradually up his posting frequency? Wouldn't a newbie also contribute to existing existing threads rather than start new ones?)
Or is it possible that these people were kicked off other boards for their behavior and are landing here in droves?

[QUOTE=Hog1;255698]...On another note, we are pioneering another type of fan. We seem to be collecting a large number of NEW bashers. Not your routine sort of Bandwagon Fare, but interesting. Only in Skins land[/QUOTE]

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I guess he thought they were saying "shucks and uhhh" in Iraq.

[QUOTE=GTripp0012;255831]If you project his rating over 200 throws...then WHAT? Oh the suspense!! Help me!!

I have no idea where you are going with this though, but you at least started your sentence as if you were going to drop a statistical bombshell.[/QUOTE]

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[quote=mike340;256063](E.g., wouldn't a true newbie start posting slowly and then gradually up his posting frequency? Wouldn't a newbie also contribute to existing existing threads rather than start new ones?)[/quote]

Only in an ideal world.

That's common forum etiqutte that a lot of people are obviously lacking.

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[QUOTE=Mattyk72;256024]I'm just comparing offensive weapons. The big WR theory is seriously overrated these days anyway, especially with the new rules that favor the WRs.[/QUOTE]

i completely agree. Lloyd was a bad signing. we would've been just as good, if not better with Moss, Randle El, and Patten as the three WR's!

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I like Randle El, and he will be worth the money if we can free up a roster place by using him as the third QB

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I know the whole 20/20 thing and hindsight...

But it is painfully obvious that the FO made SERIOUSLY BAAAAD judgement of character with the players they picked up this year. Not that they are bad guys, but I think that the Skins thougt these guys would respond to a team that showed them the appreciation and the $$ they didn't get from their previous teams. AND BOY WERE THEY WRONG.

ARE got BIG TIME money and he was not a Big Time Player. Same with Lloyd and Arch and Carter.