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Clements in Redskins' plans?
[I]<Dec. 18>[/I] The Redskins will likely ask several veterans -- perhaps CB Shawn Springs, QB Mark Brunell, DE Renaldo Wynn and ORT Jon Jansen -- to redo their deals in order to clear cap space to make a run at some free-agent defenders. The apple of their eye reportedly is Bills CB Nate Clements, writes Pro Football Weekly.

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Another mention of a possible free agent target, this one from Lenny P.'s tip sheet:

The Washington defense has only 10 takeaways this season. The record low for a 16-game season is 15 takeaways, by St. Louis and Green Bay, both in 2004. Time for coordinator Gregg Willliams, whose charges seem to have tuned him out this season, to get some larceny back in the game plan. … The Skins, who have just 15 sacks in 13 games, might make a big play for Baltimore linebacker Adalius Thomas, who will be one of the most coveted unrestricted free agents in the 2007 market. Washington will have plenty of competition for Thomas, including from the San Francisco 49ers, who are projected to have more than $40 million in salary cap space.

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This move makes sense becasue of the Williams/Gray connection. BUT how about a pass rusher or d-tackle first? I would say fix the front seven first before we go after a cb going into his 7th season. No pass rush = no pass defense.

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What's the story on Clements? Age, weight, height...too lazy to look up.

And also, can we get all those guys to restructure, or will we simply show some the door?

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[quote=Mattyk72;261926]Another mention of a possible free agent target, this one from Lenny P.'s tip sheet:

The Washington defense has only 10 takeaways this season. The record low for a 16-game season is 15 takeaways, by St. Louis and Green Bay, both in 2004. Time for coordinator Gregg Willliams, whose charges seem to have tuned him out this season, to get some larceny back in the game plan. … The Skins, who have just 15 sacks in 13 games, might make a big play for Baltimore linebacker Adalius Thomas, who will be one of the most coveted unrestricted free agents in the 2007 market. Washington will have plenty of competition for Thomas, including from the San Francisco 49ers, who are projected to have more than $40 million in salary cap space.[/quote]

I would leave Thomas alone. He's pushing 30. We need to draft a DE.

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I'd be for signing Clements, moving springs to safety, and drafting A. Branch.

Merry X-mass

Re: ESPN: Nate Clements in Redskins' plans?
 

[quote=Mattyk72;261926]Another mention of a possible free agent target, this one from Lenny P.'s tip sheet:

The Washington defense has only 10 takeaways this season. The record low for a 16-game season is 15 takeaways, by St. Louis and Green Bay, both in 2004. Time for coordinator Gregg Willliams, whose charges seem to have tuned him out this season, to get some larceny back in the game plan. … The Skins, who have just 15 sacks in 13 games, might make a big play for Baltimore linebacker Adalius Thomas, who will be one of the most coveted unrestricted free agents in the 2007 market. Washington will have plenty of competition for Thomas, including from the San Francisco 49ers, who are projected to have more than $40 million in salary cap space.[/quote]

I think AT is a very good player. But he seems like the opposite of the type of player that tends to excel in Gregg Williams' defense. I mean the guys in Baltimore tend to play the ball and have a penchant for scoring touchdowns, which is just the opposite of our style.

I could be wrong, but it's seem like these type of players are dominant before coming to play for Williams, and his system somehow stifles them.

I don't think it's a coincidence that we are lowest in turnovers and sacks.

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[QUOTE=12thMan;261929]What's the story on Clements? Age, weight, height...too lazy to look up.

And also, can we get all those guys to restructure, or will we simply show some the door?[/QUOTE]

He's 27, been in the league 6 years. 6-0, 209, and I hear he likes long walks on the beach, candlelit dinners and cuddling.

Looks like he's grabbed a consistent 3-6 INTs every year, and average 50+ tackles per year.

Personally I think all our offseason investing needs to go into the defense. The offense seems stacked - I'm fine with our WRs, got depth at RB as it is, JC is the QB for the forseeable future, and please God leave the O-line alone to let them gel together even more.

Spend time on the D. A safety to complement Taylor, depth in the secondary period. The D-line needs some help too, and I'm not totally opposed to picking up some LBs.

One thing I noticed about San Diego when they were playing Sunday night is that not only are they amazing on both sides of the ball, but they're relatively young. They're talented on offense and defense, and seem built to last. Tomlinson has a number of good years left in him, Turner is just getting started, Gates is coming into his own, Rivers is just getting started, same with Merriman and Castillo. That's going to be a formidable team for a while if they can keep everyone together.

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[quote=mheisig;261943]He's 27, been in the league 6 years. 6-0, 209, and I hear he likes long walks on the beach, candlelit dinners and cuddling.

Looks like he's grabbed a consistent 3-6 INTs every year, and average 50+ tackles per year.

Personally I think all our offseason investing needs to go into the defense. The offense seems stacked - I'm fine with our WRs, got depth at RB as it is, JC is the QB for the forseeable future, and please God leave the O-line alone to let them gel together even more.

Spend time on the D. A safety to complement Taylor, depth in the secondary period. The D-line needs some help too, and I'm not totally opposed to picking up some LBs.

One thing I noticed about San Diego when they were playing Sunday night is that not only are they amazing on both sides of the ball, but they're relatively young. They're talented on offense and defense, and seem built to last. Tomlinson has a number of good years left in him, Turner is just getting started, Gates is coming into his own, Rivers is just getting started, same with Merriman and Castillo. That's going to be a formidable team for a while if they can keep everyone together.[/quote]

The thing is to get young players like San Diego you need to keep most of your draft picks and the current FO does not believe in this method - free agency is the current mindset of the Redskins front office and until they adopt a philosphy of building through the draft I don't think we will see younger players on the starting line outside of Jason Campbell.

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[QUOTE=Bill B;261947]The thing is to get young players like San Diego you need to keep most of your draft picks and the current FO does not believe in this method - free agency is the current mindset of the Redskins front office and until they adopt a philosphy of building through the draft I don't think we will see younger players on the starting line outside of Jason Campbell.[/QUOTE]

That's very true. I'm hopeful teams like San Diego will prove the value of building through the draft. As much as I'd love a Super Bowl now or next season, it's a shame to see teams rise so high, get deep in the playoffs or win a Super Bowl, only to disintegrate the following season.

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Nate Clements and Adalius Thomas would both be marvelous signings in my opinion. Springs seemed kinda old when we signed him, but he worked out great.

Use our top 10 pick on a big DT and our second rounder on a safety. Or go get Bob Sanders at S and use a pick on a CB.

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[quote=mheisig;261943]He's 27, been in the league 6 years. 6-0, 209, and I hear he likes long walks on the beach, candlelit dinners and cuddling.

Looks like he's grabbed a consistent 3-6 INTs every year, and average 50+ tackles per year.

Personally I think all our offseason investing needs to go into the defense. The offense seems stacked - I'm fine with our WRs, got depth at RB as it is, JC is the QB for the forseeable future, and please God leave the O-line alone to let them gel together even more.

Spend time on the D. A safety to complement Taylor, depth in the secondary period. The D-line needs some help too, and I'm not totally opposed to picking up some LBs.

One thing I noticed about San Diego when they were playing Sunday night is that not only are they amazing on both sides of the ball, but they're relatively young. They're talented on offense and defense, and seem built to last. Tomlinson has a number of good years left in him, Turner is just getting started, Gates is coming into his own, Rivers is just getting started, same with Merriman and Castillo. That's going to be a formidable team for a while if they can keep everyone together.[/quote]


Hmmm...walks on the Beach, huh?

Not sure if he's a good fit for D.C.....we should pass on this guy!

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[QUOTE=12thMan;261957]Hmmm...walks on the Beach, huh?

Not sure if he's a good fit for D.C.....we should pass on this guy![/QUOTE]

He likes cuddling though, so I think it all balances out in the end.

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Clements sounds like a solid idea. Thomas doesn't. I agree with the assessment that he would not fit well in the GW defense.

I do not like the idea of a free agent DE. Let's not forget, we got one last year. What we need is to sure up the secondary and LB's, and then run the blitzes like we did 2 and 3 years ago when we were a top defense. Those guys will get the pressure when it's not always our front 4 vs their front 5 plus an rb or fb. We expect miracles from these guys and they need the help of the team.

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thomas would be good at OLB, though i think he used to be a DE so maybe he would play there, but doubtful since his best years were at LB. clements would be an awesome signing and i really think he will be here next year with the connection to williams. what does this leave for rocky? if thomas comes in rocky has nowhere to go but MLB, which i think we need an upgrade at. can rocky play middle?

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Aren't the Ravens in good shape as far as the cap goes? If so why would they let Thomas go - their owner is not cash strapped.

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[QUOTE=Big C;261973]thomas would be good at OLB, though i think he used to be a DE so maybe he would play there, but doubtful since his best years were at LB. clements would be an awesome signing and i really think he will be here next year with the connection to williams. what does this leave for rocky? if thomas comes in rocky has nowhere to go but MLB, which i think we need an upgrade at. can rocky play middle?[/QUOTE]

I wouldn't even worry about Thomas, he won't be a Redskin. He will have too many pursuers with deeper pockets.

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[quote=Schneed10;261954]Nate Clements and Adalius Thomas would both be marvelous signings in my opinion. Springs seemed kinda old when we signed him, but he worked out great.

Use our top 10 pick on a big DT and our second rounder on a safety. Or go get Bob Sanders at S and use a pick on a CB.[/quote]
We traded this years 2nd pick as a part of the Mcintosh trade . I think we have a 1st , 5th , 6th & 7th rd picks this year < not sure about the TJ deal > .

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I like the Clements idea ONLY if we are moving Springs to FS and Taylor to SS.. Springs needs to bulk up a little but he is getting a little slow for CB but will be all over the field as a FS.. Thomas-pass, I'd rather get a free agent MLB to hold down the middle. I'd love to get Gaines Adams from Clemson but I think he'll be gone by our pick if we win out..

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[quote=budw38;262016]We traded this years 2nd pick as a part of the Mcintosh trade . I think we have a 1st , 5th , 6th & 7th rd picks this year < not sure about the TJ deal > .[/quote]

Depending on how we finish and the Broncos finish we will either swap 1st round picks with Denver or we give them a 4th rounder in 2008(since we don't have a 4th rounder in 07 due to the Llyod trade. It is looking like we will be giving them their 4th rounder in 08.

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thomas is a little older than i thought. a 270 lbs OLB in a 3-4 defense, who will be 30 by next season's start might not be the best choice to be a 4-3 linebacker in our system, and probably wouldnt be that wise to spend too much on him at this point. if we go after a 30+ linebacker id hope it would be london fletcher

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HA. Something about your location made me laugh Big C. LOL.

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That's my location too, but only on Friday nights.

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[quote=TheMalcolmConnection;262032]That's my location too, but only on Friday nights.[/quote]

UGH! You talkin' about the dude from Dukes of Hazzard?

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Yes.

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If the Redskins feel like cornerback is a need area, and this is the best value at the position that is available on the market, then they should pull the trigger.

I do not believe this is the situation. I believe Clements is a very talented player who will demand the highest salary in the market and by signing him, the Redskins would be paying above-market for a player.

I would prefer to see them target a solid young player who can fill the nickel role for a year, and grow into the starting position once Springs retires in a year or so.

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[quote=Drift Reality;262055]If the Redskins feel like cornerback is a need area, and this is the best value at the position that is available on the market, then they should pull the trigger.

I do not believe this is the situation. I believe Clements is a very talented player who will demand the highest salary in the market and by signing him, the Redskins would be paying above-market for a player.

I would prefer to see them target a solid young player who can fill the nickel role for a year, and grow into the starting position once Springs retires in a year or so.[/quote]

That makes sense but I heard Redskins One will be ready to roll at 12:01 am heading straight to Buffalo.

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Why go for Thomas when the price it takes to get him will be higher than ever. We have taken players at similar stages in their careers and it has rarely worked out for us. I would love to see the Skins start structuring their team through the use of the draft. To say that free agents are less of a risk just doesn't seem to be the case these days, especially not for us.

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[quote=skinsfan69;261930]I would leave Thomas alone. He's pushing 30. We need to draft a DE.[/quote]

What does drafting line help have to do with signing a corner? They could do both.

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i think they need a good defensive end worse than they do a qb.the qb can sit back in the pocket and write a song unless a good de can put some pressure on him.i would almost give on of your right nuts to see julius peppers as a redskin,he's the real deal!

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[QUOTE=Redskinhog1963;262133]i think they need a good defensive end worse than they do a qb.the qb can sit back in the pocket and write a song unless a good de can put some pressure on him.i would almost give on of your right nuts to see julius peppers as a redskin,he's the real deal![/QUOTE]

How did a QB fall into this equation? And you'd almost give one of [I]my[/I] nuts?? My nuts aren't for sale or barter. I'm sure others would say the same about their nuts...except 724skinsfan 'cause he's weird like that

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[quote=TAFKAS;262136]How did a QB fall into this equation? And you'd almost give one of [I]my[/I] nuts?? My nuts aren't for sale or barter. I'm sure others would say the same about their nuts...[B]except 724skinsfan 'cause he's weird like that[/B][/quote]

To think I was willing to remove you from my list....you're right, though.

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[quote=Redskinhog1963;262133]i think they need a good defensive end worse than they do a qb.the qb can sit back in the pocket and write a song unless a good de can put some pressure on him.i would almost give on of your right nuts to see julius peppers as a redskin,he's the real deal![/quote]

Frank Gore has a better chance of running for 4000 yards next year (enter Rexi's analysis of how it could happen) than Peppers being in Burgandy and Gold within the next 5 years.

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[quote=TAFKAS;262136]How did a QB fall into this equation? And you'd almost give one of [I]my[/I] nuts?? My nuts aren't for sale or barter. I'm sure others would say the same about their nuts...except 724skinsfan 'cause he's weird like that[/quote]

keep your pants on man,it was just a joke.sorry you thought i gave you the raw ass over it!

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[QUOTE=Redskinhog1963;262145]keep your pants on man,it was just a joke.sorry you thought i gave you the raw ass over it![/QUOTE]

I know. I was just joking back at you

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[quote=TAFKAS;262148]I know. I was just joking back at you[/quote]

okay my friend!but i would still give one of somebody's nuts for julius peppers though.maybe not yours or mine,but somebody's!

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[QUOTE=Big C;262030]thomas is a little older than i thought. a 270 lbs OLB in a 3-4 defense, who will be 30 by next season's start might not be the best choice to be a 4-3 linebacker in our system, and probably wouldnt be that wise to spend too much on him at this point. if we go after a 30+ linebacker id hope it would be london fletcher[/QUOTE]

Signing a 30 year old to a big deal would be stupid...and that position is not even the biggest need. Clements I have no problem with.

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I think Thomas is just speculation on Lenny's part, he doesn't seem like a great fit here.

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I'd rather sign Asante Samuel to address our cornerback needs. He's younger and has more picks. I just think he's in the upswing of his career while Clements is on his way down.

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[quote=Citizens for 81;261932]I'd be for signing Clements, moving springs to safety, and drafting A. Branch.

Merry X-mass[/quote]


Totally! Move Springs to Safety to work with Taylor. Clements and Rogers on the corner.........good call guy!!