Should Archuleta play defense Sunday?
 

We know that Arch is deep deep deep in the G-dub doghouse for some reason but do you think he will get a few defensive snaps this week since we are playing in his old stomping grounds in St. Louis? I hope the Post or Times will do a Arch article this weekend so we know what's really going on with him being locked to the bench.

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I was wondering the same thing the other day, but I'm not really sure what will happen. My gut tells me that they won't change their game plan just because it's AA's old team, meaning that he probably won't play anything but special teams.
I'm sure he's not going to be happy with some of the signs that rams fans will bring.

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The Rams will know more than anyone how to expose him. He won't get any action on defense.

What a disappointment he is. I guess those "Bruise Brothers" tee shirts won't be sold anymore.

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Today's times in the article on Golston said that AA had already declined to do any interviews on returning to St. Louis.
I would like to see him play in a game in which the D plays well, just to see if his game could pick up w/the level of the team. We saw him play sorry when the team played sorry. Vernon Fox looked good against the Saints from what I saw though. it will be interesting to see what they do w/AA & Fox in the offseason, I mean do the coaches really like Fox or is he just the lesser of evils?

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I think they just dis-like AA that much.

I wonder what this has done to his physhe? I just can't imagine them keeping him beyond this season. He probably can't wait to get out of here.

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Sure AA should play...we do want a high draft pick right?

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[QUOTE=Manusky91;262661]What a disappointment he is. I guess those "Bruise Brothers" tee shirts won't be sold anymore.[/QUOTE]

Don't even remind me, I bought one. :embarrass What a fool I am. D'oh!

Needless to say, I'm too embarassed to wear it. However, I did get to wear it week 1! Yay!

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He's on the bench because he stinks, no real mystery there.

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You know he hates it here and can't wait to leave. Again, I don't blame AA, i blame us.

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[QUOTE=redsk1;262680]You know he hates it here and can't wait to leave. Again, I don't blame AA, i blame us.[/QUOTE]

How can you blame us for his poor performance?
It doesn't matter if we signed him to a huge contract, he needs to perform, he's not...case closed.

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[QUOTE=Paintrain;262657]We know that Arch is deep deep deep in the G-dub doghouse for some reason......[/QUOTE]

I agree with Matty there is no mystery, AA is not a very good player anymore. The entire world knows he is weak in coverage and QB's pick on him because he is the weak link. So coach has taken him out for a better alternative.

No mystery.

AA is gone after this year.

He will sign for a low salary with another team next year.

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Arch should have played defense on Sundays in September, October, and November. But he didn't and now we are where we are

I thought it was a bad signing when we got him (I wanted Tank Williams, no better I suppose) but I really underestimated just how bad a signing it was

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[quote=Defensewins;262686]I agree with Matty there is no mystery, AA is not a very good player anymore. The entire world knows he is weak in coverage and QB's pick on him because he is the weak link. So coach has taken him out for a better alternative.

No mystery.

AA is gone after this year.

He will sign for a low salary with another team next year.[/quote]


I can easily see him in Chicago next year.

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[quote=Bill B;262694]I can easily see him in Chicago next year.[/quote]

Along with 7 million of our dollars.

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how much will it cost to ut him

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I blame Archuleta for sucking so bad, and I blame Williams for thinking he could turn him into something he's not... a quality safety.

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[QUOTE=Mattyk72;262707]I blame Archuleta for sucking so bad, and I blame Williams for thinking he could turn him into something he's not... a quality safety.[/QUOTE]

When you walk out on a limb, it can do 1 of 2 things, support you, or break. If you don't take a chance, you aren't living.
I don't blame Williams for taking a chance. He thought it would work, it didn't. We all make mistakes. Live and learn. I do blame Archuletta for playing like complete crap though. I think he signed his contact and took a back seat along with all that cash.

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[QUOTE=Mattyk72;262707]I blame Archuleta for sucking so bad, and I blame Williams for thinking he could turn him into something he's not... a quality safety.[/QUOTE]

I agree he's been bad, but is he any worse than Holdman or Marshall have been? I'm not an AA apologist but the guy was one of the better strong safties in the NFL a couple years ago and has some solid natural ability. He couldn't cover a cake with a bucket of frosting but are there NO defensive sets he won't' be completely exposed in? Let's face it, Vernon Fox hasn't set the world on fire and Vincent hasn't been back out there since he got predictably hurt. Arch may not be the best but is he worse than a journeyman and a guy who was on the couch Oct. 1st?

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[quote=jsarno;262711]When you walk out on a limb, it can do 1 of 2 things, support you, or break. If you don't take a chance, you aren't living.
I don't blame Williams for taking a chance. He thought it would work, it didn't. We all make mistakes. Live and learn. I do blame Archuletta for playing like complete crap though. I think he signed his contact and took a back seat along with all that cash.[/quote]


Very bad move. Cut him and be done with it. He can't cover anything and would be best someplace else.

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I just can't wait to hear what he has to say when he leaves and although the coaches won't say much somebody is bound to shed light on this thing. I don't care what many of you think about the guy he is a solid football player who could start for many NFL teams. Talk about a scapegoat. He was just fine in run support and he got exposed in pass protection. Who hasn't on this team this year. Maybe Sean Springs and that's it! I still have no idea why he can't get back on the field and one other thing Vernon Fox is a below average NFL player on his very best day. You all must be joking me if you think he is better than Arch. It's not even close.

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[QUOTE=JDALY27;262713]Very bad move. Cut him and be done with it. He can't cover anything and would be best someplace else.[/QUOTE]

Absolutely agree.
I think part of the problem is you can't have 2 run stopping safties. One has to dedicate himself to stopping the pass, and Taylor already called run stopping.

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[QUOTE=wilsowilso;262714] I still have no idea why he can't get back on the field and one other thing Vernon Fox is a below average NFL player on his very best day. You all must be joking me if you think he is better than Arch. It's not even close.[/QUOTE]


I agree to an extent. Talent wise, you're right. But in our system, Fox is better. Fox tries to play the pass even if he sucks too. He just plays a little better.
Archuletta will go to some team that needs a run stopping safty and he will re-emerge.

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[quote=wilsowilso;262714]I just can't wait to hear what he has to say when he leaves and although the coaches won't say much somebody is bound to shed light on this thing. I don't care what many of you think about the guy he is a solid football player who could start for many NFL teams. Talk about a scapegoat. He was just fine in run support and he got exposed in pass protection. Who hasn't on this team this year. Maybe Sean Springs and that's it! I still have no idea why he can't get back on the field and one other thing Vernon Fox is a below average NFL player on his very best day. You all must be joking me if you think he is better than Arch. It's not even close.[/quote]


He is terrible in our system with our personel. I blame the coaches for this move. Not a good fit with Taylor, who should be in the pro bowl if not for all those bone head penalties........

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[quote=D'BOYZ;262704]how much will it cost to ut him[/quote]

When you net out what it would cost to keep him, it's an extra ~$7 million in release fees.

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Our pass rush during the first half of the year was an embarassment, non existent, pitiful and comical. Arch played very bad in pass support, but it's not his strength and he had zero help and maybe even less than zero help from the front four. I think Greg Williams caught him with one of his daughters or something.

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[quote=onlydarksets;262721]When you net out what it would cost to keep him, it's an extra ~$7 million in release fees.[/quote]

I don't know the exact amount but its not that bad. Redskins front office are absolute pros at setting up these "huge" contracts. They actually don't pay out until the back end.......AA aint gettin close to that $$$$$$.

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Arch is a bust. The Skins need to cut ties as soon as fiscally possible.

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[quote=redsk1;262680]You know he hates it here and can't wait to leave. Again, I don't blame AA, i blame us.[/quote]

Maybe we can do that Arrington thing again, and he'll pay us to leave?

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[quote=Hog1;262738]Maybe we can do that Arrington thing again, and he'll pay us to leave?[/quote]

Nope - after the Arrington Fiasco that NFL implemented a new rule that prohibits players from returning money to circumvent the cap.

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[quote=Paintrain;262712]I agree he's been bad, but is he any worse than Holdman or Marshall have been? I'm not an AA apologist but the guy was one of the better strong safties in the NFL a couple years ago and has some solid natural ability. He couldn't cover a cake with a bucket of frosting but are there NO defensive sets he won't' be completely exposed in? Let's face it, Vernon Fox hasn't set the world on fire and Vincent hasn't been back out there since he got predictably hurt. Arch may not be the best but is he worse than a journeyman and a guy who was on the couch Oct. 1st?[/quote]

Yes, he was definitely worse than Holdman or Marshall. Our secondary with him in there was a joke. It's one thing if you're not a great cover guy at LB, it's another thing entirely when you are a safety.

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I understand that cutting him creates a cap hit, but I really don't want to see him on the field ever again.

I'm curious to see what his role will be on our team in 2007.

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[quote=jsarno;262711]When you walk out on a limb, it can do 1 of 2 things, support you, or break. If you don't take a chance, you aren't living.
I don't blame Williams for taking a chance. He thought it would work, it didn't. We all make mistakes. Live and learn. I do blame Archuletta for playing like complete crap though. I think he signed his contact and took a back seat along with all that cash.[/quote]

I do agree with your point about taking chances, but at the same time they need to be well calculated chances. He's an awfully expensive mistake to have to swallow.

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[quote=RobH4413;262745]I understand that cutting him creates a cap hit, but I really don't want to see him on the field ever again.

I'm curious to see what his role will be on our team in 2007.[/quote]

You really think he's coming back?

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he needs to put on 20 pounds and play linebacker. He can tackle.

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[QUOTE=Mattyk72;262748]I do agree with your point about taking chances, but at the same time they need to be well calculated chances. He's an awfully expensive mistake to have to swallow.[/QUOTE]

Very true.
Wouldn't be the first time we endured a horrible signing. Dieon, Bruce Smith etc.
Which brings up an interesting question: Is AA the worst Skins signing ever?

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[quote=JDALY27;262725]I don't know the exact amount but its not that bad. Redskins front office are absolute pros at setting up these "huge" contracts. They actually don't pay out until the back end.......AA aint gettin close to that $$$$$$.[/quote]

That's the release fee, not his salary, and it is that big. His release fee is $9 million, which is how much we have to pay if we cut him. Check out the cap sheets:
[URL]http://www.thewarpath.net/WarpathRedskinsCap.htm[/URL]

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[quote=Mattyk72;262744]Yes, he was definitely worse than Holdman or Marshall. Our secondary with him in there was a joke. It's one thing if you're not a great cover guy at LB, it's another thing entirely when you are a safety.[/quote]

We have really slowed down with giving up the huge pass plays since we benched him, he must really have been THAT BAD

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[quote=jsarno;262758]Very true.
Wouldn't be the first time we endured a horrible signing. Dieon, Bruce Smith etc.
Which brings up an interesting question: Is AA the worst Skins signing ever?[/quote]

I'd say the worst move was signing Jeff George and at the same time not giving Brad Johnson a new contract.

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[QUOTE=Mattyk72;262761]I'd say the worst move was signing Jeff George and at the same time not giving Brad Johnson a new contract.[/QUOTE]

That was pretty bad.

Would Heath Shuler count as a draft pick signing?

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Shuler was a bust, plain and simple. Every team has had their share.

But knowingly bringing in a coach killer like George and basically thumbing your nose to a guy who took your team to the playoffs just the year before was a horrible mistake.