Would cutting Mark Brunell boost Jason Campbell's confidence?
 

Just wondering - wouldn't cutting Brunnel next year boost JC's confidence because it would eliminate Gibb's ability to pull the trigger if JC comes out slow next season? You would still have Todd Collins as your backup who knows the system so you have someone to come in in case JC's gets banged up.

Just wanted the boards thoughts on this one....

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Nope, everybody down to the towel boy knows that JCs the man.

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No, JC likes Brunell and his 37 year old arse is not a threat to anyone anymore. I could see a point if there were any friction between the two of them but there has never been any evidence of that...

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Brunell is a valuable backup and from all accounts he's a great team guy. I fully expect him to be back with a restructured contract.

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I would expect him to help school JC, as he needs it, and JC will benefit from having MB around

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[quote=Bill B;264309]Just wondering - wouldn't cutting Brunnel next year boost JC's confidence because it would eliminate Gibb's ability to pull the trigger if JC comes out slow next season? You would still have Todd Collins as your backup who knows the system so you have someone to come in in case JC's gets banged up.

Just wanted the boards thoughts on this one....[/quote]

Before everyone jumps all over me for saying this...this is only my opinion....

I think that we SHOULD cut Brunell but bring in someone a little younger than Brunell but better than Collins because I really do not think that Campbell will be productive enough to last the entire year next year.

I hope that the quaterback Gods comes and help JC out during the offseason and he comes in next year slinging it like P. Manning but right now he is more like E. Manning and I would like some protection against him totally flubbing it next year. Collins nor Brunell is very good protection

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[QUOTE=Mattyk72;264323]Brunell is a valuable backup and from all accounts he's a great team guy. I fully expect him to be back with a restructured contract.[/QUOTE]

Exactly. Brunell as much as his play has been poor this year, has always been a great team guy. As a backup, I dont mind having him on the team because you could do a HELL of a lot worse for a backup QB.

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[quote=Mattyk72;264323]Brunell is a valuable backup and from all accounts he's a great team guy. I fully expect him to be back with a restructured contract.[/quote]


Matty - if Brunnel were to restructure have you heard how much it would be restrucutred to? For a backup qb is a salary of $1-2 million about right? Right now the cap schedule on the site states that Brunell is to make $6.6 million in 2007 - how much of a cut would he be willing to take?

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im thinking that brunell will retire. and collins, i think, would be an ok mentor. knows the system, inside and out

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Dear God, would you really want Collins coming in if something happened to Jason? At least we know what to expect from Mark. He could be a good backup and mentor here for another couple of years if he could handle it, pride-wise.

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[quote=Bill B;264337]Matty - if Brunnel were to restructure have you heard how much it would be restrucutred to? For a backup qb is a salary of $1-2 million about right? Right now the cap schedule on the site states that Brunell is to make $6.6 million in 2007 - how much of a cut would he be willing to take?[/quote]

Look at it this way, he's facing restructuring his deal or probably retiring.

#1, nobody is going to give him the kind of money he can make here as a starter or as a backup elsewhere, and #2 nobody is going to want him as their starter. He doesn't have much leverage here.

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And who knows, with fresh legs he could probably fill in for a game or two if needed and do a great job.

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[QUOTE=dmek25;264340]im thinking that brunell will retire. and collins, i think, would be an ok mentor. knows the system, inside and out[/QUOTE]

Yikes! I dunno know. I don't have that much faith in Todd Collins.

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I think JC's confidence needs to be built through good play and the respect he'll get from team mates with said good play. Brunell isn't going to be a distraction because I think even the Brunell apologists now realize that JC is the man in DC. He'd have to really regress from where he is even now to start worrying about MB.

As far as I am concerned an off-season and training camp of work on the scheme and some focus on his accuracy would make him a beeter QB than MB has been even when he was playing well for us.

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[quote=riggoraider;264333]Before everyone jumps all over me for saying this...this is only my opinion....

I think that we SHOULD cut Brunell but bring in someone a little younger than Brunell but better than Collins because I really do not think that Campbell will be productive enough to last the entire year next year.

I hope that the quaterback Gods comes and help JC out during the offseason and he comes in next year slinging it like P. Manning but right now he is more like E. Manning and I would like some protection against him totally flubbing it next year. Collins nor Brunell is very good protection[/quote]

I've said in other threads that we need to draft or pick up a young qb, somebody we can groom as a backup to JC. Brunell will likely be here, but at the same time I'm starting to think that maybe he'll get cut, just a feeling. Gibbs has cut vets before, its never easy for him but he's done it. I could see him cutting Brunell if our salary cap situatiion is dire. I know, Brunell is his boy, & all logic would indicate that he'll restructure & be here. I'm just going on a hunch.

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Brunell's around next year with a restructured contract. It's best to keep him. After all, when JC has had problems (thrown a pick), it's been Brunell who's gone immediately to make sure he's OK.

And (no matter what people here say) Collins looked better each game in preseason, as though he was working out the jitters. (Considering his career path, you could understand why he had them.) In his last preseason game he was under a lot of (defensive) pressure and getting off good passes very quickly. His only bad pass that game was a pick he threw on the only play where he had enough time to think. LOL

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Good idea, worked for Eli. Warner even got to start one or two games.

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I think that we SHOULD cut Brunell but bring in someone a little younger than Brunell but better than Collins because I really do not think that Campbell will be productive enough to last the entire year next year.

I hope that the quaterback Gods comes and help JC out during the offseason and he comes in next year slinging it like P. Manning but right now he is more like E. Manning and I would like some protection against him totally flubbing it next year. Collins nor Brunell is very good protection[/quote]



that is by far the most ignorant post i have ever seen. this is why i stay away from here now there are too many people here who know aboslutely nothing about football and say some of damn dumbest things. JC is right where he needs to be at this point every game he has played we have been in and maybe could have won if it had not been for that sorry defense. Brunell is a team guy and would serve as a good mentor to JC.

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Maybe we could trade all of our draft picks for the next 5 years to get Brady Quinn in the 2007 Draft.

Meanwhile we'll move JC to Carlos Rogers' position and resign Rogers as the highest paid DB in the NFL and then put him on the bench. Next we'll make Todd Collins the #1 QB and let him play for 2 or 3 years and prove why he's been a career backup, all the while Brady Quinn rides the pine wondering why the hell the Redskins traded away every draft pick for half a decade to get him.

Oh, I almost forgot - some management changes for the offseason: instead of having a paltry 2 coaches for the DBs, one for the safeties and one for the corners, let's make it 2 coaches PER PLAYER. That way everyone will be sure to improve and learn a lot, right? More coaches=more learning. And we'll make it so none of the 10 or so DB coaches ever talk or meet with each other. That way each DB will have a gameplan catered specifically to his special needs and talents, rather than worry about trying to work with the other DBs.

Don't laugh - given the moves in this organization in the past few seasons, this scenario is entirely plausible.

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I think Collins is going to be gone in the offseason. I think the Skins will pick up a younger (26-30 year old) #3 QB, and then move him into the #2 slot after next season. Someone like a Shaun King (a perennial backup) or a Tim Rattay (kind of a former starter). I'm not saying that either of these players are likely - I'm just saying somebody [U]like[/U] these players.

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[quote=vaoutlaws2006;264480]I think that we SHOULD cut Brunell but bring in someone a little younger than Brunell but better than Collins because I really do not think that Campbell will be productive enough to last the entire year next year.

I hope that the quaterback Gods comes and help JC out during the offseason and he comes in next year slinging it like P. Manning but right now he is more like E. Manning and I would like some protection against him totally flubbing it next year. Collins nor Brunell is very good protection[/quote]



Truthfully, I'd take Campbell over Manning all day long.

I don't Campbell has thrown a pick in like three weeks.

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I don't think Collins will go anywhere. He knows this system inside and out and is a valuable guy to have around for the other QBs.

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If the Skins have an ounce of foresight, they'll dump Collins (or Brunell, but we all know he isn't going anywhere) and get a backup who can take over the #2 spot in 2008. Brunell will be 38 and Collins 37, and that's too old for marginal QBs. It takes more than a preseason for a backup to grasp this offense - if we've learned nothing else this year, we've learned that.

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[quote=onlydarksets;264531]If the Skins have an ounce of foresight, they'll dump Collins (or Brunell, but we all know he isn't going anywhere) and get a backup who can take over the #2 spot in 2008. Brunell will be 38 and Collins 37, and that's too old for marginal QBs. It takes more than a preseason for a backup to grasp this offense - if we've learned nothing else this year, we've learned that.[/quote]

Collins, however, is a relatively 'fresh' 37 year old QB. He hasn't taken much of a beating over his career, so I would think his experience in the system and the amount of dollars he's getting paid is really invaluable to this team.

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originally posted by [B]vaoutlaws2006[/B]:
[I]that is by far the most ignorant post i have ever seen. this is why i stay away from here now there are too many people here who know aboslutely nothing about football and say some of damn dumbest things. JC is right where he needs to be at this point every game he has played we have been in and maybe could have won if it had not been for that sorry defense. Brunell is a team guy and would serve as a good mentor to JC.[/quote][/I]

Ignorance is thnking that your opinion is more surpreme than anyone elses and your display of anger over a post does not bode well for your intelligence either

I do not know a lot about a lot of things but football is certainly not one of them.

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id keep brunell and collins just because they will have been in the system and could acutally come in as backups. With that being said, this is the point in Brunells contract when everyone knew he had to restructure or be cut/retire. If he doesnt restructure, then peace out

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[quote=12thMan;264538]Collins, however, is a relatively 'fresh' 37 year old QB. He hasn't taken much of a beating over his career, so I would think his experience in the system and the amount of dollars he's getting paid is really invaluable to this team.[/quote]

There is a reason he hasn't seen a lot of action - he ain't that good. Plus, as Saunders tailors his offense for the Skins personnel, it becomes easier for someone without 5 years of experience running the Saunders-O (but who has actual QB skills and is younger) to step in.

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I think that we get MB to restructure his contract and keep as our #2. We drop Collins and find a good QB which can learn the system over the year and then in 2008 we have a replacement for MB. I think if MB is asked to play a game or 2 he will be fresh and wouldbe the best person for the job because he knows the players and the system.

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[quote=onlydarksets;264548]There is a reason he hasn't seen a lot of action - he ain't that good. Plus, as Saunders tailors his offense for the Skins personnel, it becomes easier for someone without 5 years of experience running the Saunders-O (but who has actual QB skills and is younger) to step in.[/quote]

LOL...isn't the name "Saunders-O" starting to get on peoples nerves?

We use the supposedly "difficult scheme" as an excuse for every problem that arises on offense

The only way that that "O'' became a well named "O" is because they paid him lots of "$" to come to Washington.

Just like Marty-ball, air-Coryell, ground-Chuck or any other offense it is just as simple as getting ballers in DC who can run, catch, block and throw

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[quote=riggoraider;264629]LOL...isn't the name "Saunders-O" starting to get on peoples nerves?[/quote]

I thought I made that up!

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[quote=firstdown;264597]I think that we get MB to restructure his contract and keep as our #2. We drop Collins and find a good QB which can learn the system over the year and then in 2008 we have a replacement for MB. I think if MB is asked to play a game or 2 he will be fresh and wouldbe the best person for the job because he knows the players and the system.[/quote]

HAHA! Why not Collins? He knows the system and is about as fresh as you can get.

J/K

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[quote=onlydarksets;264691]I thought I made that up![/quote]

You may have given it it's proper name but I have hearing about this Saunders offense all season and I have not seen anything different than anyone elses offense

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[quote=12thMan;264506]Truthfully, I'd take Campbell over Manning all day long.

I don't Campbell has thrown a pick in like three weeks.[/quote]Campbell and Eli are both being hindered by a low completion % right now. In fact, this year they have been nearly the same player. (staistically, projected over the same # of starts)

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[QUOTE=GTripp0012;264728]Campbell and Eli are both being hindered by a low completion % right now. In fact, this year they have been nearly the same player. (staistically, projected over the same # of starts)[/QUOTE]

Campbell doesn't have that goofy look on his face though.

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[quote=GTripp0012;264728]Campbell and Eli are both being hindered by a low completion % right now. In fact, this year they have been nearly the same player. (staistically, projected over the same # of starts)[/quote]
and this is basically campbells rookie season

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[quote=dmek25;264740]and this is basically campbells rookie season[/quote]

Exactly. Not only is he essentially a first year quarterback, but he went from third string (inactive) to starting. Which is a difficult task to do because as the third string you hardly, if ever, work with the starting unit.

So his progress really has been on the fly.

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[quote=mheisig;264738]Campbell doesn't have that goofy look on his face though.[/quote]

No, but he does look like this guy

[IMG]http://www.celluloidandvinyl.com/wp-content/uploads/2006/04/lasalle.jpg[/IMG]

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[quote=12thMan;264747]Exactly. Not only is he essentially a first year quarterback, but he went from third string (inactive) to starting. Which is a difficult task to do because as the third string you hardly, if ever, work with the starting unit.

So his progress really has been on the fly.[/quote]
not playing that bad when all things are taken into consideration. and i really hope campbell and the recievers do a whole lot of work together in the off season. that completion percentage has to be in or around 60%