Sean Taylor struggling???
 

is this really the same guy we drafted? last night was a microcosm of #21's season. out of position, bad tackling, poor pass coverage, and borderline cheap shots. how did he turn into Andre waters over night? i thought Taylor was well on his way to becoming a perennial pro bowler, but now he looks like a marginal NFL player, at best. any ideas on why? and lets keep focused on Taylors play, and not make excuses for a horrible overall defense. when in position to make plays, he just isn't getting it done

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I don't know, but they need to fire that D backs coach. He regressed and Rogers isn't really coming along. They need to do a lot of work with those two this offseason. The Skins should also put a lot of pressure on Sean staying in DC this offseason. Take him outta Miami. I said before that I felt it was fine as long as he was making plays...well, he ain't makin plays now, time to work out with the team and get coached up.

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He certainly seems to have regressed as a player.

He is still looking for the knockout blow on every opportunity instead of making the sure tackle/play. Its frustrating as hell to watch.

He seems to be losing the ball in the air more often than not. He bites on play fakes more than ever before. He isnt wrapping up guys when he has clear shots, he is over-running the play taking bad angles like LaVar often did while here.

UUGGGHHH.

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Taylor's regression has nothing if anything to do with being in Miami, in my opinion.

I'm sure he probably could be logging more hours in the film room though.

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The problem with Taylor is that he not a disiplined player. He's always trying to knock someone out instead of just making the play. Always trying to be Superman and make "JACKED UP" on ESPN. He is part of the problem on defense but he will not be replaced. He just needs to play better. He has hope unlike some of the other players.

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Thats true 12th man.

I dont think being in Miami has changed his play. I think he has lost focus this year of fundamental football techniques.

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coaching and bad offseason aquisitions killed taylor

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[QUOTE=skinsfan69;265373]The problem with Taylor is that he not a disiplined player. He's always trying to knock someone out instead of just making the play. Always trying to be Superman and make "JACKED UP" on ESPN. He is part of the problem on defense but he will not be replaced. He just needs to play better. He has hope unlike some of the other players.[/QUOTE]

I think he sort of feels like he has to be the one making the big play each time.

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[QUOTE=TAFKAS;265381]I think he sort of feels like he has to be the one making the big play each time.[/QUOTE]

I've been thinking that too. It seems like he's trying to make every play and not trusting his teammates. If I'm him, I wouldn't have trusted him either.

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[quote=TAFKAS;265381]I think he sort of feels like he has to be the one making the big play each time.[/quote]

That is what I was going to say that he has to bite on the play fdake becuase he feals that if it really is a run hes going to have to be the one to tackle and more time then it should be Taylor is the one that makes the tackle on run plays.

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I put the blame squarely on coaching. The F.O. has invested our first pick in each of the last 3 drafts on defensive players (Taylor, Rogers, McIntosh), yet the defense has regressed each of the past two seasons. Taylor was better as a rookie than he is now, and the same can be said for Rogers. The book is still out on McIntosh, but it's pretty damning that he couldn't break the lineup until the end of a season of MISERABLE linebacker play. Clearly there needs to be a reduction in the coaching staff on both sides of the ball, because the players just aren't playing off the same sheet of music, especially on defense. For that I blame coaching.

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McIntosh wasnt a first round pick.

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[quote=SkinsandTerps;265396]McIntosh wasnt a first round pick.[/quote]

No but hell he might as well have been. Two number two's invested in him is alot. He had better live at Redskin Park this offseason along with Taylor, Rogers and Campbell.

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I think he relies on his athleticism too much to make plays. Leaving his feet to tackle runners from behind(Tiki last night), taking bad angles etc. He needs to start respecting the speed of his opponents and stop thinking he is the fastest guy out there. Taylor plays better when he roams(big hits)and covers over the top(big hits and pass break ups). He definitely needs a big time safety next to him. If he gets that, I think he will return to his old self.

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[quote=SkinsandTerps;265396]McIntosh wasnt a first round pick.[/quote]
I never said he was a first round pick. I said that McIntosh, along with Rogers and Taylor, were the [B]first players Washington selected [/B]in their respective drafts.

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I seriously doubt its his fault. I think he's been the victim of a failed defense. There have been some pretty good individual efforts on D this year from Springs, Golston, Washington, Taylor and Carter. Griffin has been good as well, but its like none of the pieces worked at the same time, and that can be put on the scheme and coaching.

We have some serious issues in our secondary that need to be addressed. Rogers has been repeatedly exposed this year as a borderline bust, and he was our best option at corner for most of the season. Thats sad... really...

Kenny Wright should've been cut in the preseason and Mike Rumph shouldve moved to safety. That guy could hit and I think he wouldve covered as well as Ryan Clark... I just wonder about his play recognition.

Sean has been trying to do too much, but in this defense I don't think thats a fault... .most guys arent trying to do enough...

we cant tackle. if you don't tackle you will lose. this is pop warner football 101....

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i think he has too much pressure to make all the calls on d. i think you have to tell him where to go for him to be good. maybe deion can help him out.

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[quote=dmek25;265365]is this really the same guy we drafted? last night was a microcosm of #21's season. out of position, bad tackling, poor pass coverage, and borderline cheap shots. how did he turn into Andre waters over night? i thought Taylor was well on his way to becoming a perennial pro bowler, but now he looks like a marginal NFL player, at best. any ideas on why? and lets keep focused on Taylors play, and not make excuses for a horrible overall defense. when in position to make plays, he just isn't getting it done[/quote]

Taylor is playing like he had always played it is just more noticeable this season. Through our "Redskin" eyes all we were trying to look at was his big hits and we were not wanting to see that he was missing a lot of tackles and because the defense was playing well at he time it was really not made a big issue. He always goes for the big hit when at times he just needs to secure the tackle

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Maybe if we had a GM he could have evaluated Taylor a little better before we spent a top 5 pick on a guy who is nothing more than a glorified battering ram. What a bizarre combination- a guy who sometimes hits like a truck, but most of the time tries that crap arm tackling and routinely gets burnt. He's known more as a dirty player than a good player. I own a Taylor jersey, and it hasn't been on my back since week 1 when he cost us the game with mulitple personal fouls late in the 4th and lame coverage. Hey, at least he didn't spit in anyone's face this year (that we know of).

And on a side note:
Gregg Williams should be under waaaay more scrutiny. The defense isn't working. Period. And I don't want to hear injuries as an excuse. Remember 2004? It was a MASH unit, and a gret one at that.

And I'm tired of hearing Gibbs say, "I'm just real proud of our character and how hard we fought..." blaaahh biddy blah blah. Win some football games. 21-27 over three years isn't cutting it. I lauged really hard during the press conference after the game yesterday when a reporter said to Gibbs: "Coach, we've heard the same thing a lot this season. The bottom line is this is a 5-11 football team. Do you think at some point you're kidding yourself with all this?" WOW!! It's a dark day for Skins when Gibbs is getting asked stuff like that.....

Forgive me, I'm not an unconditional optimist. Hail for 2007!

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[quote=GMScud;265479]...
And I'm tired of hearing Gibbs say, "I'm just real proud of our character and how hard we fought..." blaaahh biddy blah blah. Win some football games. 21-27 over three years isn't cutting it. I lauged really hard during the press conference after the game yesterday when a reporter said to Gibbs: "Coach, we've heard the same thing a lot this season. The bottom line is this is a 5-11 football team. Do you think at some point you're kidding yourself with all this?" WOW!! It's a dark day for Skins when Gibbs is getting asked stuff like that.....
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It is about time someone from the press actually asked Gibbs a tough question like that. When Gibbs returned, I was assuming that some maturity and prudence would go into front office and personnel decision making. Instead Gibbs bought into the Snyder philosophy of buying a team instead of building one. It really irks me that we're going into the draft without 2nd, 3rd, and 4th round picks, and we have Gibbs to thank for that. If this team doesn't contend for a division title next year, I'd be shocked if he returned for the last season of his contract.

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And sticking to the Sean Taylor thing, the last I'll say about it is that a freakish athelete doesn't necessarily mean a good football player...

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What is this Extremeskins........ i had a lot of respect for this site until i read this thread. this is absolutely ridiculous that Sean Taylors name is being brought up in any conversation regarding our defensive flusters. get serious, you guys are now reaching to areas that dont need to be looked at. is this not the same guy we drafted? thats what your asking, why? is he not in every play like you want him to be? is he not leading the league in tackles? is he not a media lollypop like cooley or portis for fans to love and get excited for press conferences over? hes a free safety, in fact, hes 16th in the league in total tackles, 2nd for safeties behind hope from tennessee. and out of our 12 turnovers, sean has a pick and 3 forced fumbles. cheap shots? who cares, thats how he is. hes had a few penalties for that this season but you know what, some of those were not warranted and you know it. imagine what it would be like without sean........ yeah thats right give it a sec and imagine that. unbelievable.

p.s. this site is ten times better than extremeskins, however this thread reminded me of those assclowns over there so i had to say something.

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[quote=GMScud;265479]Maybe if we had a GM he could have evaluated Taylor a little better before we spent a top 5 pick on a guy who is nothing more than a glorified battering ram. What a bizarre combination- a guy who sometimes hits like a truck, but most of the time tries that crap arm tackling and routinely gets burnt. He's known more as a dirty player than a good player. I own a Taylor jersey, and it hasn't been on my back since week 1 when he cost us the game with mulitple personal fouls late in the 4th and lame coverage. Hey, at least he didn't spit in anyone's face this year (that we know of).

And on a side note:
Gregg Williams should be under waaaay more scrutiny. The defense isn't working. Period. And I don't want to hear injuries as an excuse. Remember 2004? It was a MASH unit, and a gret one at that.

And I'm tired of hearing Gibbs say, "I'm just real proud of our character and how hard we fought..." blaaahh biddy blah blah. Win some football games. 21-27 over three years isn't cutting it. I lauged really hard during the press conference after the game yesterday when a reporter said to Gibbs: "Coach, we've heard the same thing a lot this season. The bottom line is this is a 5-11 football team. Do you think at some point you're kidding yourself with all this?" WOW!! It's a dark day for Skins when Gibbs is getting asked stuff like that.....

Forgive me, I'm not an unconditional optimist. Hail for 2007![/quote]


Couple of things, Taylor doesn't slide beyond the fifth pick in the draft. We're lucky we got him at fifth. Secondly, with all of his struggles this year, there aren't three safeties that I take over Sean Taylor...not three.

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[quote=chrisl4064;265497]What is this Extremeskins........ i had a lot of respect for this site until i read this thread. this is absolutely ridiculous that Sean Taylors name is being brought up in any conversation regarding our defensive flusters. get serious, you guys are now reaching to areas that dont need to be looked at. is this not the same guy we drafted? thats what your asking, why? is he not in every play like you want him to be? is he not leading the league in tackles? is he not a media lollypop like cooley or portis for fans to love and get excited for press conferences over? hes a free safety, in fact, hes 16th in the league in total tackles, 2nd for safeties behind hope from tennessee. and out of our 12 turnovers, sean has a pick and 3 forced fumbles. cheap shots? who cares, thats how he is. hes had a few penalties for that this season but you know what, some of those were not warranted and you know it. imagine what it would be like without sean........ yeah thats right give it a sec and imagine that. unbelievable.

p.s. this site is ten times better than extremeskins, however this thread reminded me of those assclowns over there so i had to say something.[/quote]

from one ex-extremeskinner to another...I agree with you, this site being much better but on the other hand Sean has got to take his lumps with the rest of the defensive unit. He has made some horrible decisions lately, maybe because he is trying to hard to do it on his own as I have heard, or maybe he is just little too aggressive but whatever the case may be Taylor just did not perform well at the end of the season.

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sean taylor has some work to do

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I'm glad to see Taylor out there making calls on defense. He is the only guy out there in the secondary that is assured to start in his same position next year. Was he ready or able to do it well? I don't know, but I know that there was no reason left this season to not start preparing him to do it next season.

Also, he is basically bweing asked to play both safety and LB this year. Our DBs and LBs have all stuggled which made his job a lot harder. I think he was ready to be a great safety this year, but maybe not a great leader. Hopefully we fix a few guys around him and allow him to get back to concentrating on his position.

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Honestly, Taylor was absolutely terrible this year. Missed tackles poor coverage...he regressed so much. If that guy was not drafted so high by the Redskins he would have been on the bench or cut already. I don't think he had a good game all year other than Carolina.

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[quote=celts32;265514]Honestly, Taylor was absolutely terrible this year. Missed tackles poor coverage...he regressed so much. If that guy was not drafted so high by the Redskins he would have been on the bench or cut already. I don't think he had a good game all year other than Carolina.[/quote]

Who on the defense was good this year? Stars need help to get things done becuase they cant do it all themselves. This is a terrible thread so what if the guy had an off year i think it reflects the defenses performance as a whole.

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[quote=GMScud;265490]And sticking to the Sean Taylor thing, the last I'll say about it is that a freakish athelete doesn't necessarily mean a good football player...[/quote]

are you saying sean taylor isn't a good football player? b/c if you are then that is stupid.

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[quote=celts32;265514]Honestly, Taylor was absolutely terrible this year. Missed tackles poor coverage...he regressed so much. If that guy was not drafted so high by the Redskins he would have been on the [B]bench or cut already.[/B] I don't think he had a good game all year other than Carolina.[/quote]


haha. That is stupid. has anyone forgotten that Sean Taylor is the best player GW has EVER coached, said it himself.

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[quote=Redskin;265519]Who on the defense was good this year? Stars need help to get things done becuase they cant do it all themselves. This is a terrible thread so what if the guy had an off year i think it reflects the defenses performance as a whole.[/quote]

Why is it that when someone does not agree with someone elses opinion the whole thread becomes terrible?

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i just hope ST can turn it around.........

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[quote=dmek25;265365]is this really the same guy we drafted? last night was a microcosm of #21's season. out of position, bad tackling, poor pass coverage, and borderline cheap shots. how did he turn into Andre waters over night? i thought Taylor was well on his way to becoming a perennial pro bowler, but now he looks like a marginal NFL player, at best. any ideas on why? and lets keep focused on Taylors play, and not make excuses for a horrible overall defense. when in position to make plays, he just isn't getting it done[/quote]


For the hundreth time. Why is he getting the blame when nobody on the defense is helping him?

When is a safety the cornerstone of a defense? I have never seen a good defense that is built around a safety.

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[quote=riggoraider;265531]Why is it that when someone does not agree with someone elses opinion the whole thread becomes terrible?[/quote]

When a thread is based on a misunderstanding of fundamentals, the thread is typically terrible.

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[quote=dmek25;265365]is this really the same guy we drafted? last night was a microcosm of #21's season. out of position, bad tackling, poor pass coverage, and borderline cheap shots. how did he turn into Andre waters over night? i thought Taylor was well on his way to becoming a perennial pro bowler, but now he looks like a marginal NFL player, at best. any ideas on why? and lets keep focused on Taylors play, and not make excuses for a horrible overall defense. when in position to make plays, he just isn't getting it done[/quote]


he has some great week people are ready to crown him the next Ronnie Lott, he has some questionable weeks and people think he's done. people on this site never seem to stop amazing me. Haven't you seen the entire defence, thats d line, linebackers and secondary completely suck this year!! We were the worst D in the league. that is the fault of every single person from the top the bottom on that side of the ball. To single out one guy (other than Holdman, he is really that bad!!) is crazy. Maybe hes out of position because he is trying to make a play. this is his 3rd year. Every person has struggled this year. For two years he has played amazingly, our D has played great. We had a bad year. get over it, move on. season is over! maybe next year , right??

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[quote=dall-assblows;265528]are you saying sean taylor isn't a good football player? b/c if you are then that is stupid.[/quote]


Sean Taylor was not a good football player this year. Bottom line. A few big hits sure, but more memorable to me are repetitive personal foul penalties, poor tackling, and blown coverage.

He is a sick athelete with TONS of potential, and he played very well last season. Don't get me wrong, I would LOVE to see the guy live up to his hype and draft status. But it's not good to regress in your third year.

The poor defensive play obviously isn't the sole responsibility of #21. We can't stop the run or pass, we can't force turnovers, we routinely give up huge plays, and the coaching was certainly lacking as well. But Taylor no doubt contributed to the overall stench of a miserable defensive season.

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[quote=Grim21Reaper;265541]When a thread is based on a misunderstanding of fundamentals, the thread is typically terrible.[/quote]

Could you please tell me what you think was misunderstood here?

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[quote=riggoraider;265549]Could you please tell me what you think was misunderstood here?[/quote]

Sean Taylor has missed many plays (as has every single player on every single defense in the NFL). To say that he is a marginal player is a statement made by someone who does not understand the fundamentals of the game. Taylor led the team in tackles this year and he is the only DB in the top 10 for the NFC. Anytime and everytime a safety leads a team in tackling, you have a bad defense.

A good defense is going to be defined by the play of it's front seven. If you wanted to break it down even more you would say that the d line is more important than the linebackers. I was in the 5th row during the Carolina game. It was amazing how good Taylor and Rogers looked in that game. Why was that? Maybe they just decided to play that day, or maybe the fact that the line pressured Delhomme the entire game had more to do with it.

The bottom line is that Taylor is involved in too many plays. Why is he involved so much, because the front seven has been so poor and his range is as good as any DB in the league. You want Taylor cleaning up the mess not having to stop a runningback with a full head of steam who has not been touched by the time he gets to the secondary.

I guarantee that if they figure out how to stop the run, get a pass rusher and get some consistent linebacker play, the same people who gave up on Taylor (and also annoit a new team for the ages every week) will be saying how much better he is and how they are so happy we drafted him because he is the best safety ever.

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[quote=Grim21Reaper;265541]When a thread is based on a misunderstanding of fundamentals, the thread is typically terrible.[/quote]
sorry that my football knowledge isn't as great as the magnificent grimreapers, but I'm glad you want to talk about fundamentals. isn't tackling a football fundamental? right now, i don't think Sean Taylor could tackle me. isn't pass coverage keeping the opposition in front of you? Taylor still trying to peek into the backfield, as every tom, dick, and harry goes blowing by him. and the biggest fundamental a safety learns in pop warner, is don't let anyone behind you. anyone have a guess on how many times this has happened this season? the defense being horrible isn't all Sean Taylors fault. but no way he gets a free pass. he was just as bad as everyone else

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[quote=Grim21Reaper;265560]Sean Taylor has missed many plays (as has every single player on every single defense in the NFL). To say that he is a marginal player is a statement made by someone who does not understand the fundamentals of the game. Taylor led the team in tackles this year and he is the only DB in the top 10 for the NFC. Anytime and everytime a safety leads a team in tackling, you have a bad defense.

A good defense is going to be defined by the play of it's front seven. If you wanted to break it down even more you would say that the d line is more important than the linebackers. I was in the 5th row during the Carolina game. It was amazing how good Taylor and Rogers looked in that game. Why was that? Maybe they just decided to play that day, or maybe the fact that the line pressured Delhomme the entire game had more to do with it.

The bottom line is that Taylor is involved in too many plays. Why is he involved so much, because the front seven has been so poor and his range is as good as any DB in the league. You want Taylor cleaning up the mess not having to stop a runningback with a full head of steam who has not been touched by the time he gets to the secondary.

I guarantee that if they figure out how to stop the run, get a pass rusher and get some consistent linebacker play, the same people who gave up on Taylor (and also annoit a new team for the ages every week) will be saying how much better he is and how they are so happy we drafted him because he is the best safety ever.[/quote]

I agree with some of your points especially the one that stated Taylor would not be in the top 10 in tackles if it was not for our play up front.

If we find a good CB this off season to go along with Springs and if Prioleau plays good strong safety we will probably be looking for Taylor to be more agressive against the running game next season so some of his duties will be to stop runningbacks. I think that if he plays with "controlled aggression" he could be mentioned in the same breath with player like Ed Reed and Troy Palamalou.