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[B]I'm starting more than threads than Kidwell! I have to make my year end quota![/B]

It's sad what happened to Mark Brunell last night. Honestly, if I were at the game I'm not sure what I would have done. I think it's easy to sit back at home and say it was classless, although it most definitely was.

I imagine two things were going on in people's(is that a word) minds: People got caught up with what the masses were doing at the moment and decided to join in on the booing. Secondly, I think in the minds of people Mark Brunell is symbolic of what many 'think' is wrong with the Redskins this year. High priced, under achieving free agent. Perhaps he just represents it all in one person.

One thing's for sure no one get's praised or booed like a quarterback. It's going to always come back to the quarterback no matter what or no matter who he is. You could have a running back that stinks it up and a quarterback that stinks it up, the fans will blame the QB 99% of the time.

So while I think it was definitely directed at Brunell, I'm think there may have been a few more elements at play...of course, a few brews will always add fuel to the fire.

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He's a convenient scapegoat. But all QBs on losing teams are, I'm sure Brunell has known that since he first decided to line up at center in pop warner. Unfortunately for Brunell, he didn't get the opposite feeling-being the convenient hero-when they were winning last year.

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TOTALLY CLASSLESS. The boos should have been directed at the defense everytime they took the field.

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Very classless.

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Disgusting really how we Boo our own players, some redskin fans are truelly stupid.

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[quote=TAFKAS;265398]He's a convenient scapegoat. But all QBs on losing teams are, I'm sure Brunell has known that since he first decided to line up at center in pop warner. Unfortunately for Brunell, he didn't get the opposite feeling-being the convenient hero-when they were winning last year.[/quote]

That's interesting because not many praised him when we were winning, but he takes the blame for losing. It's just an interesting dynamic.

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[QUOTE=12thMan;265392]
So while I think it was definitely directed at Brunell, I'm think there may have been a few more elements at play...of course, a few brews will always add fuel to the fire.[/QUOTE]

That coupled with the fact that they were getting destroyed. I think if I was there I probably would have considered it. However, the problem I have with it is, who were they supposed to go to? Would the fans rather have seen Todd Collins? I mean, that guy is garbage. Brunell was the better choice of the two, but I really wasn't happy seeing him going into the football game.

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What really bothered me was that I don't think people were worried about Campbell being seriously hurt-and not to get dramatic, but with a possible career ending injury if he snaps his neck on that hit-but instead they were just mad that it meant Brunell was back under center.

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[quote=TAFKAS;265407]What really bothered me was that I don't think people were worried about Campbell being seriously hurt-and not to get dramatic, but with a possible career ending injury if he snaps his neck on that hit-but instead they were just mad that it meant Brunell was back under center.[/quote]


Exactly. And this is why I'm not sure it was all directed at Brunell. I'm not making any excuses or trying to over analyze this.

[B]Fan Psychology 101: [/B]It's possible that many saw the Campbell injury and Brunell's entrance as an interuption or [I][B]disruption [/B][/I]to the continuance of the 'Jason Campbell era.' In their minds, were they really saying, no we don't want to go back to the old, let's keep marching forward to the kid. Even if Brunell comes in and lights it up, I think many people are done with that chapter of the Redskins.

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[QUOTE=12thMan;265411]Exactly. And this is why I'm not sure it was all directed at Brunell. I'm not making any excuses or trying to over analyze this.

[B]Fan Psychology 101: [/B]It's possible that many saw the Campbell injury and Brunell's entrance as an interuption or [I][B]disruption [/B][/I]to the continuance of the 'Jason Campbell era.' In their minds, were they really saying, no we don't want to go back to the old, let's keep marching forward to the kid. Even if Brunell comes in and lights it up, I think many people are done with that chapter of the Redskins.[/QUOTE]

Maybe some people thought it looked like kinda like when Ramsey went down...

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Yeah, booing Brunell was asinine. All he did was what he was called to do: Come in and back up JC when he is hurt. Though I advocated benching Brunell since Game 2, there was no reason at all to boo him. He did his best this season; it just wasn't good enough.

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I'm sure if you would have polled those same people before they booed Brunell and asked them if they would ever do such a thing, they probably would look at you like and idiot and declare how classless that is.

I think people do things they normally don't do when they get caught up. But it was most definitely unfair and classless.

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[quote=12thMan;265411]Exactly. And this is why I'm not sure it was all directed at Brunell. I'm not making any excuses or trying to over analyze this.

[B]Fan Psychology 101: [/B]It's possible that many saw the Campbell injury and Brunell's entrance as an interuption or [I][B]disruption [/B][/I]to the continuance of the 'Jason Campbell era.' In their minds, were they really saying, no we don't want to go back to the old, let's keep marching forward to the kid. Even if Brunell comes in and lights it up, I think many people are done with that chapter of the Redskins.[/quote]

I understand that take, I wasn't happy to see Brunell come in only because I didn't want to watch him play in the last game of the year and obviously Campbell is the future and more fun to watch at this point, but the guy didn't deserve to be booed.

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classless. and we need to remember that " we dont live in philly"

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I tell you what, Eli had better thank God they won last night. Because the press was just waiting to roll all over him this morning. (no pun intended)

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I was at the game and I was embarassed. There were a bunch of Giants fans in my section that booed at first when he started trotting on the field, and I would very much like to blame that on them, but sadly I know that it was skins fans too, and moreso than just disruptive Giants fans.

I will say that the band playing in the club level was very good.

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I was yelling at everyone "Don't booo him! We want to win! Don't boo him! You guys are crazy"...

But then a bunch of drunken rednecks were like "Brunell sucks donkey D$%*" and realized my efforts were futile. I just decided to start cheering as loud as a could.

Great game to go see, Fed-Ex field was very loud on third down, and was pretty much flawless minus the Brunell booing fiasco.

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I was so disappointed by this. Nobody in my section was booing, though, so I'm not sure where it was coming from.

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Well, Jason Campbell is showcasing why he is our quarterback over Mark Brunell.....


but I agree that there was really no reason to boo him.

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Classless act which showed our young quaterback what to look forward to if his career ever goes south in DC

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i agree. that was the most classless thing ive seen this season other than a few players spitting or stepping on eachother. and that crap coming from skins fans is unacceptable. but i mean cmon on that scramble he had he ACTUALLY took the hit. i mean some of even the best backups in the league dont have the stones to take a hit. kudos to mark.

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Those werent redskins fans...not true ones anyway...We needed that losing season...........to flush all the bandwagoners...Ill be right here till the last brick falls and seriously Those second half drives SHOW that the last brick aint fallin anytime soon And Brunell is a decent backup...Booing the Completion record holder Is a result of Ravens, Cowboys, and other people who jumped ship when the redskins won 5 straight to go to the postseason.

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[quote=Redskin;265403]Disgusting really how we Boo our own players, some redskin fans are truelly stupid.[/quote]


Why shouldn't the players be booed? They underachieved across the board this year and they planted the seed that this was a Super Bowl year. The fans pay a lot of money and they are well within their rights. I don't think it is classless at all. This team was an embarassment.

Now, Brunell should not be the sole recipient. They should have introduced every player before the game and all deserve to be bood except maybe Campbell and Betts.

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[quote=pg86;265520]Those werent redskins fans...not true ones anyway...We needed that losing season...........to flush all the bandwagoners...Ill be right here till the last brick falls and seriously Those second half drives SHOW that the last brick aint fallin anytime soon And Brunell is a decent backup...Booing the Completion record holder Is a result of Ravens, Cowboys, and other people who jumped ship when the redskins won 5 straight to go to the postseason.[/quote]


The blind loyalty needs to stop. This type of thinking is why Snyder gets to have a fantasy football draft every off-season.

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[quote=Redskin;265403]Disgusting really how we Boo our own players, some redskin fans are truelly stupid.[/quote]


just because people boo doesn't mean someone is stupid, or any less of a fan. did you sit there and not critisize our team at all this year, that is what booing, letting you team know they are playing lousy. Now, booing brunell was a bit uncalled for, but hey we all pay $100's of dollars to go to the game to sit in the stands, fight traffic pay $7 bucks or so for a beer. if someone wants to boo, so be it. They pay those salaries, they dont really have a voice in any decision making processes at Redskin park, so that is the only way fans can be heard sometimes. Hey, I agree with one guy the D should have been booed the whole damn game! they suck@!

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[quote=#56fanatic;265547]just because people boo doesn't mean someone is stupid, or any less of a fan. did you sit there and not critisize our team at all this year, that is what booing, letting you team know they are playing lousy. Now, booing brunell was a bit uncalled for, but hey we all pay $100's of dollars to go to the game to sit in the stands, fight traffic pay $7 bucks or so for a beer. if someone wants to boo, so be it. They pay those salaries, they dont really have a voice in any decision making processes at Redskin park, so that is the only way fans can be heard sometimes. Hey, I agree with one guy the D should have been booed the whole damn game! they suck@![/quote]


That's why I kind of started the thread. You really never know what you'll do until you're actually in the stands for yourself.

I find it interesting that most of the people their booing, if asked away from the stadium would you ever boo a pro-football player, they probably would say no, and how classless it is. You just never know, that's all.

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Let me add one more thing to that - Is logging on to Warpath and writing negative comments or saying what's on your mind about Brunell any less classless than booing him to his face at the game? Or sitting at a bar booing the Skins while you're next to another guy cheering for the Redskins?

When is one context preferred over the other?? How is one classless and the other isn't?

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I was all for MB's benching, but to boo him last night? Wow! If anyone should have been booed, it should have been Gibbs for sticking with him too long!

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[quote=12thMan;265582]Let me add one more thing to that - Is logging on to Warpath and writing negative comments or saying what's on your mind about Brunell any less classless than booing him to his face at the game? Or sitting at a bar booing the Skins while you're next to another guy cheering for the Redskins?

When is one context preferred over the other?? How is one classless and the other isn't?[/quote]

It is a huge difference ...I do not know how many people are members of this forum but I am thinking MAYBE a couple of hundred and you have some negative Brunell comments but you also have positives and he is probably not reading neither. But when you are on nationwide T.V. in front of millions and the fans who were suppose to be supporting you were turning against had to be one of the most embarrassing moments in this mans life. His family had to be watching also either from the stands or via television and for his own fans to put on a display such as this was disgusting

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That was one of our topics of conversation on the way home from the game last night, and I concur with those who viewed the booing of Brunell as classless. We were reminding each other of how this has been the case with QB's for a long time with some of our fans. We were there when they were booing Billy in favor of Sonny, and some of those used to get real ugly. It's not the right thing to do in my opinion, but it seems to be the nature of the beast. It has always seemed to be reserved for the QB's.

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[quote=Longtimefan;265597]That was one of our topics of conversation on the way home from the game last night, and I concur with those who viewed the booing of Brunell as classless. We were reminding each other of how this has been the case with QB's for a long time with some of our fans. We were there when they were booing Billy in favor of Sonny, and some of those used to get real ugly. It's not the right thing to do in my opinion, but it seems to be the nature of the beast. It has always seemed to be reserved for the QB's.[/quote]

I'll say this last thing about it, and I'll leave it alone...maybe.

Booing in general is pretty much accepted and expected. For instance, is it all right to boo Donavan McNabb if he's driving down the field on us giving his team a chance to win? Is it right to boo the visiting team as they come out of the tunnel to take the field? Well, then where do we draw the line on who get's booed? If it's wrong to boo Mark Brunell, then it's certainly wrong to boo McNabb because we know his family is in the stands too, right?

If it's generally excepted in public sports arenas, and it is, then everyone and anyone is fair game. I think it just hits close to home when we turn on one of our own.

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[QUOTE=12thMan;265611]I'll say this last thing about it, and I'll leave it alone...maybe.

Booing in general is pretty much excepted and expected. For instance, is it all right to boo Donavan McNabb if he's driving down the field on us giving his team a chance to win? Is it right to boo the visiting team as they come out of the tunnel to take the field? Well, then where do we draw the line on who get's booed? If it's wrong to boo Mark Brunell, then it's certainly wrong to boo McNabb because we know his family is in the stands too, right?

If it's generally excepted in public sports arenas, and it is, then everyone and anyone is fair game. I think it just hits close to home when we turn on one of our own.[/QUOTE]


I, for one would agree with you 12thMan that "booing" is generall accepted, as well as expected in most arena's where teams, or players from the oposiotion are performing because we view that as "booing" within the spirit of competition. However, in our discussion last night, we were viewing the "booing" of Brunell as more of a personal attack, and a vendeta geared towards his past performances as a Redskin. There is a subtle difference there.

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[quote=Longtimefan;265623]I, for one would agree with you 12thMan that "booing" is generall accepted, as well as expected in most arena's where teams, or players from the oposiotion are performing because we view that as "booing" within the spirit of competition. However, in our discussion last night, we were viewing the "booing" of Brunell as more of a personal attack, and a vendeta geared towards his past performances as a Redskin. There is a subtle difference there.[/quote]


I agree with you there. And I think that's generally where the line get's blurred. We feel a sense of entitlement for whatever reason. I think because there aren't any hard and fast rules about booing, your moral judgement has to kick in at some point.

Anyway, I can't believe I mis-spelled 'accepted'...how funny. I need to lay the pipe down!

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Pardon my spelling of generally & oposition.....Thanks.
Sometimes I do not do a very good job of proof reading.

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[quote=Longtimefan;265623]I, for one would agree with you 12thMan that "booing" is generall accepted, as well as expected in most arena's where teams, or players from the oposiotion are performing because we view that as "booing" within the spirit of competition. However, in our discussion last night, we were viewing the "booing" of Brunell as more of a personal attack, and a vendeta geared towards his past performances as a Redskin. There is a subtle difference there.[/quote]

There is nothing subtle about the difference between booing the opponent and booing a player on your own team. You don't boo an individual on your own team who is coming [U]on to the field[/U] except in extreme cases. E.g., someone who says publicly they hate the team and want out. Other than that, you support the team.

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But I maintain, while the person Mark Brunell got booed last night, I think in some folks mind, it was their only chance to let the organization as a whole know how they feel about things in general. Apart from what he's done on the field as player, I think it's possible that Brunell represents all that's gone wrong for the Redskins in the last few years. Not that he's solely responsible, because he isn't, I think he's symbolic of a lot things to people.

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[QUOTE=onlydarksets;265628]There is nothing subtle about the difference between booing the opponent and booing a player on your own team. You don't boo an individual on your own team who is coming [U]on to the field[/U] except in extreme cases. E.g., someone who says publicly they hate the team and want out. Other than that, you support the team.[/QUOTE]



You're preaching to the Choir, because I agree with you wholeheartedly....

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[quote=Longtimefan;265632]You're preaching to the Choir, because I agree with you wholeheartedly....[/quote]

Damn, I suck at picking fights. ;)

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For what he's getting paid, he deserves it.
However, I do agree with the post that the entire defense deserved to be booed as well...what a horrible season for the D.

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I think people do things they normally don't do when they get caught up. But it was most definitely unfair and classless.[/quote]

I dont, and most of the people I know dont do things they normally dont do :confused:. Anyway it was classless and embarassing as a fan to be associated with those who booed.