Vince Young - Offensive Rookie of the Year
 

[url=http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070103/ap_on_sp_co_ne/fbn_nfl_offensive_rookie_2]Vince Young: AP Offensive Rookie of Year - Yahoo! News[/url]

I was on the Bush Bandwagon through the first half of the season, but after the last 6 weeks or so, it's kind of hard to argue against Young.

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Young is a solid choice. Him, Jones-Drew, or McNeil all deserved serious consideration

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Jones-Drew is the best offensive player of the three, however, what young did was more impressive. That team was in shambles at the start of the season.

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I'm disappointed that Marques Colston didn't win it, but i'm not all that suprised. Young was playing great, I just think that because Colston was a 7th round rookie converted tight end, who nobody thought had a future in this league, should've won it after the way he exploded this season.

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Young really exceeded all expectations. The Titans went from rebuilding mode to reloading mode all because of him. With their cap room they could be really dangerous next year. Fisher hit the jackpot.

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is it just me, or is jeff fisher a really good coach? and colston would have had a better chance if he wasnt injured. young is the pick

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Marques Colston was drafted out of Hofstra in the seventh round 252 pick overall of the 2006 NFL draft by the New Orleans Saints. A team that many felt would not win many games let alone get a first round by in the playoffs this season. Colston makes a good candidate due to his production at a position that is believed to take at least 3 years to make a contribution to the team. Playing wide receiver in the NFL is no easy task for veterans let alone a rookie wide out. In his first season in the NFL Colston managed to have 70 catches for 1038 yards and 8 touchdowns. After scoring touchdowns in each of his first 2 games, Colston busted on to the scene week 4 against the Carolina Panthers when he gashed the Panthers secondary with 5 receptions for 132 yards and 1 touchdown. Then, starting after New Orleans bye week, Colston went on a 3 week tear averaging 152 yards and 1 touchdown per game. Pretty impressive for a rookie wide receiver that was the 4th pick from being 2006’s Mr. Irrelevant.

Another rookie that was not picked in the first round of the draft that has a legitimate shot at bringing home the OROY award is Jacksonville’s rookie running back Maurice Jones-Drew. This is a player that I watched, thanks to the NFL Network, at the NFL combine. Watching him work out and seeing how he is built with his tree trunk thighs I felt that he would make a good running back in the NFL no matter which team drafted him. Some experts felt that Jones-Drew was too short to play in the NFL measuring in at a massive 5’7”. Splitting carries with Fred Taylor, Jones-Drew still managed to gain 1377 yards in total offense, 941 rushing yards and 436 receiving yards and 9 touchdowns. All of this production and still took care of the kick return duties gaining 860 yards and 1 touchdown. Jones-Drew break out game in the NFL came as early as week 3 against the Colts where he had his 1st 100 yard rushing game with 32 receiving yards and a receiving touchdown to go along with his 100 yard kick return game. Ten games later Jones-Drew took part ownership of the Colts defense when he ripped them for 166 yards rushing, 2 rushing touchdowns, 1 reception for 15 yards and 122 yards a touchdown in kick return duties.

My last offensive rookie player that should be in serious contention for the OROY award is the Tennessee Titans rookie quarterback Vince Young. Playing quarterback in the NFL is no easy task, especially when you are rookie QB taking over at week 4 and after a bumpy start he was in large the reason for the Titans 6 game winning streak from week 11 to week 16. Young’s first win came on the road against the Washington Redskins where he was 13 of 25 for 161 yards and 1 touchdown with a quarterback rating of 85.6. Vince Young’s best game of the season came in week 16 in a win against the Buffalo Bills. Vince was 13 of 20 for 183 yards with 2 passing touchdowns a quarterback rating of 127.7 and rushed for a 36 yard touchdown. This is a pretty amazing feat what Young has accomplished this season in the NFL playing a position that is the most scrutinized and watched under a microscope. The quarterback position is hard for most veterans in the NFL only to have a rookie play as if he is a 5 year vet.

I wasnt pulling for any player, just the three best, IMO...

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I don't know if this is true, but I heard rumors that Colston would have gone higher but his own coaches at Hofstra called around the NFL and told NFL front office personnel that Colston had a big attitude problem and was a pain to have on the team.

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[quote=dmek25;266688]is it just me, or is jeff fisher a really good coach?[/quote]

Yes he definitely is. One of the very best.

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VY was nothing short of excellent and the Titans are going to be VERY dangerous with all the cap room they have next year.

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[quote=mooby;266683]I'm disappointed that Marques Colston didn't win it, but i'm not all that suprised. Young was playing great, I just think that because Colston was a 7th round rookie converted tight end, who nobody thought had a future in this league, should've won it after the way he exploded this season.[/quote]

I'm upset he didn't win it because we both went to Hofstra University.

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The kid more than deserved it. He took a mediocre team on his back, and put them in playoff contetion

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[quote=Schneed10;266713]Yes he definitely is. One of the very best.[/quote]

It's gotta be that 'stache and nascar haircut

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Easy decision to make, just like Troy Smith for the Heisman! VY is the truth, and he will only get better with time and a big time go to reciever!

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should of been colston. the man is sick on madden live.

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Wow, I guess I am the only one here that actually saw him for what he was as a QB, below average.
Jones-Drew / Bush should have been the 1-2 in no particular order, with Colston in the mix as well.
I'm just not buying this Vince Young bandwagon thing...in a couple years we will all be talking about how overrated he is, just Like how overrated Vick is. The kid needs to learn how to be a QB. 51.7% comp is HORRIBLE. 158.9 yards a game he threw for (not including the first 2 games of the season since he didn't play in significant action.)
His legs definitely helped them win games, over 500 yards...but not enough to warrent the award in my opinion.

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[quote=jsarno;266833]Wow, I guess I am the only one here that actually saw him for what he was as a QB, below average.
Jones-Drew / Bush should have been the 1-2 in no particular order, with Colston in the mix as well.
I'm just not buying this Vince Young bandwagon thing...in a couple years we will all be talking about how overrated he is, just Like how overrated Vick is. The kid needs to learn how to be a QB. 51.7% comp is HORRIBLE. 158.9 yards a game he threw for (not including the first 2 games of the season since he didn't play in significant action.)
His legs definitely helped them win games, over 500 yards...but not enough to warrent the award in my opinion.[/quote]


Im with you on this I do not feel VY will flourish as you guys predict in the NFL. If you ask me special teams and defense won most of the titans games (think Giants game too, undeserving stats for VY). VY is the definition of overated, Colsten had a much more devestating impact then VY did, the man was sick.

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[QUOTE=Redskin;266851]Im with you on this I do not feel VY will flourish as you guys predict in the NFL. If you ask me special teams and defense won most of the titans games (think Giants game too, undeserving stats for VY). VY is the definition of overated, Colsten had a much more devestating impact then VY did, the man was sick.[/QUOTE]


Good, glad to see I am not the only one.

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[quote=Redskin;266851]Im with you on this I do not feel VY will flourish as you guys predict in the NFL. If you ask me special teams and defense won most of the titans games (think Giants game too, undeserving stats for VY). VY is the definition of overated, Colsten had a much more devestating impact then VY did, the man was sick.[/quote]
Are you SERIOUS? You can't be! Colston had a good year I'll give you that. Vince Young did more with less than any other rookie. You want the definition of overrated? Okay, how about Matt Lienart?! He had two pro bowl recievers and still couldn't get it done! Maybe if he would have done what VY did, Dennis Green would still have a job. Overrated please............stop hangin out with Merrill Hodge!

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[QUOTE=Crat92;267239]Are you SERIOUS? You can't be! Colston had a good year I'll give you that. Vince Young did more with less than any other rookie. You want the definition of overrated? Okay, how about Matt Lienart?! He had two pro bowl recievers and still couldn't get it done! Maybe if he would have done what VY did, Dennis Green would still have a job. Overrated please............stop hangin out with Merrill Hodge![/QUOTE]

Both players are going to be special. Without VY, the Titans are fighting for a top 3 pick. Remember, they lost their first three or four games with Volek starting. Their D and special teams definitely picked it up, but who else does Young have on that offense? Henry played pretty good, but he's not the reason the entire team has played over their heads. This guy wills his team to wins. If Chow stays, watch VY get better as a passer too.

Leinart suffered from what we call a lack of an offensive line. Is it a coincidence Edge had such a terrible year? You get an o-line and it opens up the running game, which in turn will keep d's honest for ML to throw. He's got the goods too... wait until he gets a real offensive coach too (Chow perhaps?).

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[QUOTE=Crat92;267239]Are you SERIOUS? You can't be! Colston had a good year I'll give you that. Vince Young did more with less than any other rookie. You want the definition of overrated? Okay, how about Matt Lienart?! He had two pro bowl recievers and still couldn't get it done! Maybe if he would have done what VY did, Dennis Green would still have a job. Overrated please............stop hangin out with Merrill Hodge![/QUOTE]

Leinart:
56.6% comp, 2542 yards passing, 11 pass tds, 12 ints. (11 full games)
Young:
51.7% comp, 2199 yards passing, 12 pass tds, 13 ints. (14 full games)

Leinart beats Young by 70+ passing yards a game, about .15 passing td's per game, and about 5% better comp %. Young got the Offensive ROY, and Leinart wasn't even an after thought...so who is overrated again??????

I'm not saying Leinart is a stud, but if you're going to call someone overrated, get your stats in order. If you call Leinart overrated, you must call Young overrated.

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[QUOTE=jsarno;267262]Leinart:
56.6% comp, 2542 yards passing, 11 pass tds, 12 ints. (11 full games)
Young:
51.7% comp, 2199 yards passing, 12 pass tds, 13 ints. (14 full games)

Leinart beats Young by 70+ passing yards a game, about .15 passing td's per game, and about 5% better comp %. Young got the Offensive ROY, and Leinart wasn't even an after thought...so who is overrated again??????

I'm not saying Leinart is a stud, but if you're going to call someone overrated, get your stats in order. If you call Leinart overrated, you must call Young overrated.[/QUOTE]

But I think Crat's argument is that Young did more with less.

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[QUOTE=TAFKAS;267275]But I think Crat's argument is that Young did more with less.[/QUOTE]

T-E-A-M...it's all about team. Tennessee has more in my opinion...just cause Arizona has a couple good receivers doesn't mean they have more. Leinart ran for his life on every play.

ps- Edge James SUCKED this year...no running game = losses. Tennessee had a running game.

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You cant will a team to win i declare Hacks!Shananagins!WitchCraft!

But seriously VY ha d agame with a little over 100 total yard on offense, guess he willed the defense to pull that win out form their asses. Not a very good passer either, not like guys were dropping balls left and right.

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[quote=TAFKAS;267275]But I think Crat's argument is that Young did more with less.[/quote]
Thank you TAFKAS. Exactly my point. I don't think those numbers Lienart put produced many victories, do you? It's about winning! Lienart didn't, Young did. Bottom line!

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[QUOTE=Crat92;267307]Thank you TAFKAS. Exactly my point. I don't think those numbers Lienart put produced many victories, do you? It's about winning! Lienart didn't, Young did. Bottom line![/QUOTE]

Those numbers prove that if one is overrated, the other is too.

Nice to know that everyone thinks 1 guy makes the difference between an 8 win team and a 5 win team. Might as well not even field that many players since 1 player makes the difference for 3 wins. So if I had 4 vince youngs, I'd win 12 games...sweeeet.

Again, it's a TEAM effort.
Don't worry, I am positive that the rose colored glasses will come off with Young eventually...I was right about soooo many like him in the past, and I am right now. I know that sounds arrogant, but you guys aren't looking at the big picture.

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[QUOTE=Mattyk72;266769]It's gotta be that 'stache and nascar haircut[/QUOTE]

Haha. The best 'stache was Wannstedt -- no question. I'd always imagine him in a Miami Vice type of scene, where he's on a big cigarette boat with his flower print shirt halfway buttoned down with gold chains, bimbos, and an eightball of coke. lol

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i think everyone is forgetting, in the nfl, the wins are the thing. young almost took a pretty sorry titans team into the playoffs. and lienart took the cardinals, well.....

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[QUOTE=jsarno;267482]
Nice to know that everyone thinks 1 guy makes the difference between an 8 win team and a 5 win team. Might as well not even field that many players since 1 player makes the difference for 3 wins. So if I had 4 vince youngs, I'd win 12 games...sweeeet.

Again, it's a TEAM effort.
Don't worry, I am positive that the rose colored glasses will come off with Young eventually...I was right about soooo many like him in the past, and I am right now. I know that sounds arrogant, but you guys aren't looking at the big picture.[/QUOTE]

You do know that Young didn't start the first three games for the Titans right? Which also happened to be three losses and three possible games that VY did not have a chance to win a game. Which means VY was 8-5 his rookie campaign, including a 6 game win streak near the end. Oh yeah, he's only a freakin' rookie! How many rookie QBs with Travis Henry and Bo Scaife as your weapons would pull out an 8-5 record in the NFL?

Yet people want to hate on him for some reason, pointing out the defensive effort in the Jax game. What about the fact that the Titans beat nearly the entire NFC east, including a decimation of Philly at the Linc. How about the 2 TD performance to beat Indy? Oh, but he threw two picks and Bironas hit a 60 yd FG... let's not give any credit to the QB.

Instead of using red herring arguments ("if we had 4 vince youngs, we would win 12 games"), give some logical reasons why you think VY will fail. His throwing motion can definitely be improved, his passing percentage could be higher, etc.

If there are no such instances of one player making a difference, why do some teams actually play better when a switch is made at QB? I bet Tony Romo didn't have anything to do with giving his team a spark this season right? Me being an SC alum, there's no way you can tell me that Texas would have beaten SC in the Rose Bowl without VY least year... in fact, UT wouldn't have even made a BCS bowl last year without VY. That just shoots down your entire argument that one player can make a three win difference. Don't they also say that a steady kicker can make a two win difference in a season? It is a team effort (like you say), but one player can will that team effort (as has been proven time and time again). [B]Fact:[/B] The Titans (as a team) do not go on a 6 game win streak with Billy Volek [edit: make that Kerry Collins] at the helm.

How are you so sure that you are right? I mean, I'm sure of some things too- but that doesn't mean there's not a small chance of others being right too... Are you truly saying that VY has no shot at being a great QB in this league? Obviously, he won the ROY for a reason- people that watch football chose him over Colston, MJD and Bush.

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[quote=GhettoDogAllStars;267491]Haha. The best 'stache was Wannstedt -- no question. I'd always imagine him in a Miami Vice type of scene, where he's on a big cigarette boat with his flower print shirt halfway buttoned down with gold chains, bimbos, and an eightball of coke. lol[/quote]

lol I can see that

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[QUOTE=jsarno;267262]Leinart:
56.6% comp, 2542 yards passing, 11 pass tds, 12 ints. (11 full games)
Young:
51.7% comp, 2199 yards passing, 12 pass tds, 13 ints. (14 full games)

Leinart beats Young by 70+ passing yards a game, about .15 passing td's per game, and about 5% better comp %. Young got the Offensive ROY, and Leinart wasn't even an after thought...so who is overrated again??????

I'm not saying Leinart is a stud, but if you're going to call someone overrated, get your stats in order. If you call Leinart overrated, you must call Young overrated.[/QUOTE]

I'm sorry I have to jump in here.
jsarno - the stats you carefully picked are just passing stats. In the NFL, QB's are allowed to run - one of Young's finest moment was a 39-yard TD run in overtime to beat Houston. As much as you do not like it, it is true Qb's can run.
Vince ran the ball 83 times for 553 yards and 7 TD's. He averaged 6.7 yards a carry. Had a grand total of 19 TD's as compared to Leinarts 13 total TD's and Bush's 8.
You might be of the school of QB's should only be drop back passers and that is the only way to rate them. But there is so much more than passing, like leadership, reading defenses, calling audibles and making the decision to take off and RUN THE BALL.
Young took over a 0-3 team that was being lead by a veteran superbowl QB Kerry Collins. Vince Young came in at a desperate time for a losing team at the most important postion QB and turned the team around. Lead them to 8 wins. Nuff said.

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I don't get the VY hate. He had good rookie season, better than anyone expected. He's fun to watch and he won games as a rookie. Pick apart his stats all you want, there's a lot more to his story than his numbers.

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[quote=TAFKAS;267275]But I think Crat's argument is that Young did more with less.[/quote]

And that's why Vince Young won hands down, he did more with less. Stack the stats as high as you want, no one had the impact on their team Vince Young had on his team.

I'll go a step further, remove LT and Brees from the equation for a minute, you could make a helluva argument for Young as MVP this year.

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Instead of using red herring arguments ("if we had 4 vince youngs, we would win 12 games"), give some logical reasons why you think VY will fail. His throwing motion can definitely be improved, his passing percentage could be higher, etc. [/quote]

Well, I have on many occasions. I don't remember all I posted on this thread, but there was another thread that said "Vince Young will be the greatest in a couple years" (or something close to that). I posted a lot of contradictory stats on that thread, and many pursuasive arguments.

[quote]If there are no such instances of one player making a difference, why do some teams actually play better when a switch is made at QB? I bet Tony Romo didn't have anything to do with giving his team a spark this season right? Me being an SC alum, there's no way you can tell me that Texas would have beaten SC in the Rose Bowl without VY least year... in fact, UT wouldn't have even made a BCS bowl last year without VY. That just shoots down your entire argument that one player can make a three win difference. Don't they also say that a steady kicker can make a two win difference in a season? It is a team effort (like you say), but one player can will that team effort (as has been proven time and time again). [B]Fact:[/B] The Titans (as a team) do not go on a 6 game win streak with Billy Volek [edit: make that Kerry Collins] at the helm. [/quote]

No, that's opinion. Just becuase the team played better under Young, doesn't mean it would not have happened under Volek or Collins. If a coach makes a midseason speech that encourages and energizes the team, does that coach single handedly win the rest of the season for the team? No. It's a team effort and the team has to decide to play well together or not.
I think you are thinking I am saying that Young had nothing to do with that run of wins...I'm not. Young was very much a shot in the arm for the Titans, and got them to play at a higher level. However, that alone does not warrent the rookie of the year award.

[quote]How are you so sure that you are right? I mean, I'm sure of some things too- but that doesn't mean there's not a small chance of others being right too... Are you truly saying that VY has no shot at being a great QB in this league? Obviously, he won the ROY for a reason- people that watch football chose him over Colston, MJD and Bush.[/QUOTE]

I [i]could[/i] be wrong, but I doubt it. The only way I could be wrong is if Vince realizes this is a passing league. When he works day in and day out on passing the ball and working on mechanics. McNabb is a prime example. McNabbs first season he passed for 49.1% in 99. It wasn't until 04, his 6th season, that he finally got with the program. His comp% went to an all time high of 64% and had more than 500 yards passing more than his previous career high. Plus went from 16 tds to 31 tds passing in a single season. His rushing numbers were basically cut in half. No coincidence, that was the year they went 13-3 and lost by only 3 in the super bowl.
McNabb was the kind that wanted to get better and took that negative and turned it into positive. I see Vince Young as the Micheal Vick kind that gets upset about people saying he can't pass, but is not willing to listen. I could be wrong. I hope I am, cause Vince can be one heck of a QB if he learns to throw. Vick will be nothing until he realizes that as well. The more people praise a kid gets even though his flaws are overwhelmingly glaring, the more he feels he needs to stick with what he's doing. What Vince did in college won't work in the NFL. Sure you can win 8-10 games with it with the right cast, but it will NEVER translate into a super bowl win.

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[QUOTE=Defensewins;267525]I'm sorry I have to jump in here.
jsarno - the stats you carefully picked are just passing stats. In the NFL, QB's are allowed to run - one of Young's finest moment was a 39-yard TD run in overtime to beat Houston. As much as you do not like it, it is true Qb's can run.
Vince ran the ball 83 times for 553 yards and 7 TD's. He averaged 6.7 yards a carry. Had a grand total of 19 TD's as compared to Leinarts 13 total TD's and Bush's 8.
You might be of the school of QB's should only be drop back passers and that is the only way to rate them. But there is so much more than passing, like leadership, reading defenses, calling audibles and making the decision to take off and RUN THE BALL.
Young took over a 0-3 team that was being lead by a veteran superbowl QB Kerry Collins. Vince Young came in at a desperate time for a losing team at the most important postion QB and turned the team around. Lead them to 8 wins. Nuff said.[/QUOTE]

Again, my comment was to point out the flawed argument that one is "overrated" and the other isn't.
I do not beleive that a QB needs to be a pocket passer. In fact I am thrilled to death to see Campbell back there. I think he's got it all, just needs more practice. I would honestly take Campbell over Young at this point.
I think that Steve Young was the best QB the NFL has ever seen due to his ability to scramble. So it's not that at all. I just know you can't win without a QB that can throw. Vince, like Vick, only makes things happen with their legs, when they figure out it's a passing league, that is when they will be dangerous..and I will be the first in line to congratulate them on their hard work to overcome thier flaws. (just like McNabb)

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By the way, if it's all about wins, then Vince helped his team acheive 4 more wins than in 05...Bush helped his team win 7 more games. Almost double. AND Bush is still playing while Vince is not, AND Bush helped to rebuild a storm damaged city.

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[QUOTE=jsarno;267590]By the way, if it's all about wins, then Vince helped his team acheive 4 more wins than in 05...Bush helped his team win 7 more games. Almost double. AND Bush is still playing while Vince is not, AND Bush helped to rebuild a storm damaged city.[/QUOTE]

Trust me, I'm the biggest Reggie Bush fan there is... but i'm also not so much of an SC homer to believe that Young was way more valuable to his team's success than Bush was to his. Bush also had a second running back in Deuce McAllister, an All pro QB in Brees, a pretty good line (led by Jammal Brown), and a sick wideout corps of Colston, Henderson and Horn. You take Bush away from that team and I believe NO still gets into the playoffs this season, probably not as one of the top seeds though. The Titans have Travis Henry, Drew Bennett and Bo Scaife. Without Young, the Titans are not even fighting for a wildcard.

You have sound arguments re: Young's shortcomings... but ROY doesn't go to the best QB who has the best pure passing abilities. It goes to the best rookie, regardless of their techniques and tendencies. We can hypothesize all day about how the Titans would have fared without Young, but results speak for themselves- and Young did more with less.

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I'm not sure exactly what this argument is all about but not one single rookie won games in the variety of ways that Vince Young did this year in clutch moments. Not one. Not Bush, not Hester, not Colston, not Leinert.

Also, Vince is the unquestioned leader and the face of the Titans. We probably could split hairs all day whether Bush or Colston or Leinert is more deserving, but the bottom line is Vince Young pulled his team within one win of going to the playoffs.

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[QUOTE=itvnetop;267593]Trust me, I'm the biggest Reggie Bush fan there is... but i'm also not so much of an SC homer to believe that Young was way more valuable to his team's success than Bush was to his. Bush also had a second running back in Deuce McAllister, an All pro QB in Brees, a pretty good line (led by Jammal Brown), and a sick wideout corps of Colston, Henderson and Horn. You take Bush away from that team and I believe NO still gets into the playoffs this season, probably not as one of the top seeds though. The Titans have Travis Henry, Drew Bennett and Bo Scaife. Without Young, the Titans are not even fighting for a wildcard.

You have sound arguments re: Young's shortcomings... but ROY doesn't go to the best QB who has the best pure passing abilities. It goes to the best rookie, regardless of their techniques and tendencies. We can hypothesize all day about how the Titans would have fared without Young, but results speak for themselves- and Young did more with less.[/QUOTE]


YES! You got it right, New Orleans has a Probowl QB, Deuce McAllister, and a great set of WR's. I can't even name Tennessee's WR's or OL.

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[QUOTE=Defensewins;267647]YES! You got it right, New Orleans has a Probowl QB, Deuce McAllister, and a great set of WR's. I can't even name Tennessee's WR's or OL.[/QUOTE]

WR Brandon Jones. Watch out for him next year.