Sugar bowl fiasco...not right!
 

It is not right that a team gets to have another home game. LSU should not be playing Notre Dame at New Orleans, that's not right. Every game should be played at a neutral site.

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[QUOTE=jsarno;266787]It is not right that a team gets to have another home game. LSU should not be playing Notre Dame at New Orleans, that's not right. Every game should be played at a neutral site.[/QUOTE]

bowl games are traditionally held at certain locations... teams are picked post-facto. would you move the rose bowl out of pasadena, even though USC goes there often?

notre dame is going to need more than their fans to pull this out... they look too slow for lsu.

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Sorry mods...I put this on the wrong section (locker room)...please feel free to move it.

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[QUOTE=jsarno;266787]It is not right that a team gets to have another home game. LSU should not be playing Notre Dame at New Orleans, that's not right. Every game should be played at a neutral site.[/QUOTE]

I agree with you on this one. Put em in some other Bowl. It's really unfair. While LSU plays maybe an hour and a half away (probably less) most college football fans in NOLA are LSU fans. Having lived there, I can tell you, no one gives a damn about Tulane unless you go there and half of us were LSU fans. I never really was, always liked Auburn and the Gators, haven't been much for LSU till I got with the current girlfriend. Anyway, I'm not huge on college football, not nearly as much as pros, but it is fun to watch sometimes. However, I do agree, it is unfair that a 2 loss team gets to play in a BCS home game.

I do have to add, though, that it's pretty much impossible to move Death Valley to New Orleans. You really can't capture that kinda feel anywhere, but in Baton Rouge.

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i'd also have to mention the fact that ND gets to keep all of its revenue for being in this game... while every other school has to split the amount with its conference. cry me a river, ND.

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[QUOTE=itvnetop;266791]i'd also have to mention the fact that ND gets to keep all of its revenue for being in this game... while every other school has to split the amount with its conference. cry me a river, ND.[/QUOTE]

Notre Dame shouldn't have to apologize for being independent. Army, Navy, and Temple all are too. The Air Force is apparently in the Mountain West Conference. However, I'm pretty sure Navy went to a bowl game too, I don't have a problem with them getting to keep the revenue.

As for LSU, they're sharing with the SEC who had 9 of their 12 teams heading to bowl games. Somehow, I don't think that sharing that revenue is gonna kill LSU.

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[QUOTE=itvnetop;266788]bowl games are traditionally held at certain locations... teams are picked post-facto. would you move the rose bowl out of pasadena, even though USC goes there often?

notre dame is going to need more than their fans to pull this out... they look too slow for lsu.[/QUOTE]

I'm not saying move the Rose bowl out of pasedena, or the sugar bowl out of New Orleans, just that USC is not eligible for the Rose Bowl, or the LSU Tigers are not eligible for the Sugar Bowl. It's not fair to the opposing team.

They just scored a TD.

That QB (Russell) for LSU looks good...fast and BIG, with a good arm.

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[QUOTE=jdlea;266793]Notre Dame shouldn't have to apologize for being independent.[/QUOTE]

And LSU shouldn't have to apologize for being selected to the sugar bowl.

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[QUOTE=jsarno;266794]I'm not saying move the Rose bowl out of pasedena, or the sugar bowl out of New Orleans, just that USC is not eligible for the Rose Bowl, or the LSU Tigers are not eligible for the Sugar Bowl. It's not fair to the opposing team.
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I like the fact that the Rose Bowl is the one game that kind of sticks against the BCS... it's always been a Pac 10/Big 10 matchup, except when the national champ contender is from either conference. Tradition trumps innovation in Pasadena.

Hey, ND looks like it's making a game of it... turnover by LSU.

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[QUOTE=jdlea;266793]Notre Dame shouldn't have to apologize for being independent. Army, Navy, and Temple all are too. The Air Force is apparently in the Mountain West Conference. However, I'm pretty sure Navy went to a bowl game too, I don't have a problem with them getting to keep the revenue.
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The thing is service academies rarely get to a bowl game (hence, they can afford to be independent) and when they do, it's an extremely low payout.

I'm not saying ND is wrong for taking advantage of their status... just don't cry about homefield advantage when you're getting a BCS payout of 8 million dollars, while everyone else has to share it with 9 or 11 other teams.

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I was shocked to see how many independants there are.

Notre Dame
Army
Navy
Troy State
UConn
Temple

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[QUOTE=itvnetop;266795]And LSU shouldn't have to apologize for being selected to the sugar bowl.[/QUOTE]

No one said LSU had to apologize.
The selection committee should. They should not allow it.

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[QUOTE=itvnetop;266797]The thing is service academies rarely get to a bowl game (hence, they can afford to be independent) and when they do, it's an extremely low payout.

I'm not saying ND is wrong for taking advantage of their status... just don't cry about homefield advantage when you're getting a BCS payout of 8 million dollars, while everyone else has to share it with 9 or 11 other teams.[/QUOTE]

ND isn't crying.
Also, all those teams have advantages to being in conferences, ND has none for being independant, other than not sharing bowl money.

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Who cares? I'm a Irish fan, and I'll be the first to admit that they don't even deserve to be in the Sugar Bowl. If there wasent an extra title game this year, I'd be suprised if they were even in a New Years day bowl. They beat no quality opponents and everytime they played a team that was worth anything, they got run out of the stadium. The only reason they are there is because they are Notre Dame.....again, coming from an IRISH Fan.

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[QUOTE=Gmanc711;266802]Who cares? I'm a Irish fan, and I'll be the first to admit that they don't even deserve to be in the Sugar Bowl. If there wasent an extra title game this year, I'd be suprised if they were even in a New Years day bowl. They beat no quality opponents and everytime they played a team that was worth anything, they got run out of the stadium. The only reason they are there is because they are Notre Dame.....again, coming from an IRISH Fan.[/QUOTE]

UMMM what? You must not be a real ND fan, cause they had a tough schedule.
Georgia Tech, Penn State, Mich. St., Purdue, UCLA and Navy. All of them had very good teams this year. They lost to top notch teams in Michigan and USC. (ps- UCLA beat USC) So why do they not deserve to be in the Sugar Bowl when they only lost to top notch contenders?

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[quote=jsarno;266798]I was shocked to see how many independants there are.

Notre Dame
Army
Navy
Troy State
UConn
Temple[/quote]


UCONN is Big East.

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[QUOTE=jsarno;266801]ND isn't crying.
Also, all those teams have advantages to being in conferences, ND has none for being independant, other than not sharing bowl money.[/QUOTE]

you're right that ND has no scheduling advantages for being an independent- they annually have pretty tough schedules.

but b/c they are ND, they have inherent advantages. they are the only school with an exclusive television contract with a major network. they have support b/c of their fan base. they can afford to be independent b/c of this.

and b/c ND is this powerful, they are considered for BCS bowls with sketchy portfolios. here are ND's wins this season:

Georgia Tech
Penn St.
Purdue
Stanford
UCLA
Navy
North Carolina
Air Force
Army

I'm sorry, I'm not really impressed by any of those wins. UCLA, possibly. In fact, their schedule this season is weaker than in year's past, playing three service academies (all respect due to the armed forces).

10-2 is a solid record, but how does a 2 loss ND get a BCS invitation over a 1 loss Wisconsin (the capital one bowl???)?

If any other major conference school had the same schedule and results as ND this season (with maybe one quality win), they would [I]not[/I] be in the sugar bowl. ND gets plenty of advantages because of who they are.

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LSU just got ripped off of a turnover on the replay, but luckily got it back a few plays later.

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I'd agree that they don't necessarily belong there. They wouldn't be #11 in the country if they weren't Notre Dame. And they probably wouldn't be in this game if they weren't Notre Dame.

Also, what's with NY guys being Notre Dame fans?

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[QUOTE=EEich;266805]UCONN is Big East.[/QUOTE]

Apparently not:
[url=http://www.nbc11.com/cfootindependentsia/index.html]NBC11.com - College Football - Conf: Ind. I-A[/url]

Those are all the independents in the NCAA div 1A. UConn is on it. It is possible that UConn is independant when it comes to football...like Temple is in the Atlantic 10 in Basketball.

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[QUOTE=itvnetop;266806]you're right that ND has no scheduling advantages for being an independent- they annually have pretty tough schedules.

but b/c they are ND, they have inherent advantages. they are the only school with an exclusive television contract with a major network. they have support b/c of their fan base. they can afford to be independent b/c of this.

and b/c ND is this powerful, they are considered for BCS bowls with sketchy portfolios. here are ND's wins this season:

Georgia Tech
Penn St.
Purdue
Stanford
UCLA
Navy
North Carolina
Air Force
Army

I'm sorry, I'm not really impressed by any of those wins. UCLA, possibly. In fact, their schedule this season is weaker than in year's past, playing three service academies (all respect due to the armed forces).

10-2 is a solid record, but how does a 2 loss ND get a BCS invitation over a 1 loss Wisconsin (the capital one bowl???)?

If any other major conference school had the same schedule and results as ND this season (with maybe one quality win), they would [I]not[/I] be in the sugar bowl. ND gets plenty of advantages because of who they are.[/QUOTE]

You forgot Mich State. If I remember correctly, Georgia Tech, Purdue and Penn ST were all ranked in the top 25 when ND played them. Throw in Navy (9-3 before bowl game) they might have been in the top 25, and UCLA ended in the top 25 (I think)...they had a tough schedule. Sorry man, maybe ND has had harder schedules, but this season was no cake walk, and most teams have much easier schedules.

I will agree with your Wisconsin assessment, but ND sells, and Wisconsin doesn't, which is why I firmly believe that the NCAA should adopt a playoff system. Money is the deciding factor in too many things for the NCAA...it's wrong.

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[QUOTE=jdlea;266813]I'd agree that they don't necessarily belong there. They wouldn't be #11 in the country if they weren't Notre Dame. And they probably wouldn't be in this game if they weren't Notre Dame.

Also, what's with NY guys being Notre Dame fans?[/QUOTE]

I guess you can consider it our local team, because its the only football team we see on TV each week (even though everyone does). We dont get any of the local divison I teams (Syracuse or UB) here in Rochester, so ND has been easy to follow.

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[QUOTE=jdlea;266813]I'd agree that they don't necessarily belong there. They wouldn't be #11 in the country if they weren't Notre Dame. And they probably wouldn't be in this game if they weren't Notre Dame.

Also, what's with NY guys being Notre Dame fans?[/QUOTE]

If you're referring me being one of the NY ND fans, I'm from Boston, not NY.

They were on TV every week, and literally the ONLY college football I was exposed to when I was young...it was a natural fit.

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[QUOTE=jsarno;266816]Apparently not:
[url=http://www.nbc11.com/cfootindependentsia/index.html]NBC11.com - College Football - Conf: Ind. I-A[/url]

Those are all the independents in the NCAA div 1A. UConn is on it. It is possible that UConn is independant when it comes to football...like Temple is in the Atlantic 10 in Basketball.[/QUOTE]

That must be outdated. UConn is definitely in the Big East. Finished 4-8 this year (1-6 in conference play)

If you scroll down to the standings and schedule you can see the actual Independents are listed-Temple, Army, Navy, ND-no UConn

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[QUOTE=TAFKAS;266849]That must be outdated. UConn is definitely in the Big East. Finished 4-8 this year (1-6 in conference play)

If you scroll down to the standings and schedule you can see the actual Independents are listed-Temple, Army, Navy, ND-no UConn[/QUOTE]

That is wierd how it shows UConn as an ind.
Like I have said before, I am a pro guru, not a college guru.

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[QUOTE=jsarno;266854]That is wierd how it shows UConn as an ind.
Like I have said before, I am a pro guru, not a college guru.[/QUOTE]

UConn just switched into the Big East 2 years ago. I think they've only had a college football program on the divison I-A level for 3-4 years now. They started off as an independent (probaboly to play an easier schedule), but then after BC/Va Tech and Miami bolted for the ACC, they came to the Big East.

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[quote=jsarno;266816]Apparently not:
[URL="http://www.nbc11.com/cfootindependentsia/index.html"]NBC11.com - College Football - Conf: Ind. I-A[/URL]

Those are all the independents in the NCAA div 1A. UConn is on it. It is possible that UConn is independant when it comes to football...like Temple is in the Atlantic 10 in Basketball.[/quote]

Apparently they are...
[url=http://www.bigeast.org/sports/m-footbl/sched/conn-m-footbl-sched.html]BIGEAST.org: The Official Site of The BIG EAST Conference[/url]

You must be looking at an outdated page. There was a brief span when they were between conferences (2000-2003) and were an independant. They've began playing in the big east in 2004.

[URL]http://www.uconnhuskies.com/sports/MFootball/2006/MediaGuide/7/Timeline.pdf[/URL]

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Didn't matter where this game was played. ND was outclassed on the field by a MUCH better football team.

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Thats like saying the super bowl is in miami a lot so if the dolphins were good and went there often it would be unfair. Theres not much that can be done about it. If the fans are good they'll make the trip and watch it and support the team.

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ND sucks! Charlie Wiess is overrated, and so is Brady Quinn! LSU would have destroyed them if they were playing in Sout Bend! No signature wins since Mr. Overrated has taken over the helm. Troy Smith should have swept every award possible at the college football awards, but no. They had to "give" Brady Quinn something. I don't think that it is too difficult to set all those passing records at a school that is historically known for running the ball. And don't give me that "Joe Montana went to ND" crap either. He handed the damn ball off too. LSU exposed Wiess and Brady for what they really are.......................OVERRATED!!!!!!!!!

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[QUOTE=BigSKINBauer;266884]Thats like saying the super bowl is in miami a lot so if the dolphins were good and went there often it would be unfair. Theres not much that can be done about it. If the fans are good they'll make the trip and watch it and support the team.[/QUOTE]

Not even close actually.
The Super Bowl site is pre determined, in some cases, many years in advance. There is a [i]PLAYOFF[/I] system that determines who makes it, which makes it [i]RANDOM[/I]. If a group already knows where a game is being played, why select the "home team" to play there? Whoever get the opponant slot is at a severe disadvantage.

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Hawaii was in a bowl game that was in aloha stadium and they beat the hell outta Arizona state that was totally unfair...

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[QUOTE=jsarno;266804]UMMM what? You must not be a real ND fan, cause they had a tough schedule.
Georgia Tech, Penn State, Mich. St., Purdue, UCLA and Navy. All of them had very good teams this year. They lost to top notch teams in Michigan and USC. (ps- UCLA beat USC) So why do they not deserve to be in the Sugar Bowl when they only lost to top notch contenders?[/QUOTE]

LOL!!!! Michigan State lost 8 of their final 9 games, and the last time Navy beat Notre Dame was when Staubach was QB. So they squeaked by an inconsistent GT team, beat an inexperienced PSU team early in the season, and took down an underachieving UCLA team. And they not only lost to Michigan and USC, they were completely demolished. That's not the same as slugging through the SEC, I'm sorry. Compared to what every other major conference team has to face that's pretty damn weak.

If you want to argue they are a top 25, or even top 15 team, that's fine, but they had no business being in a BCS bowl. What LSU did to them was painful to watch. They just didn't have the talent to stand toe to toe with those guys.

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[quote=djnemo65;268544]LOL!!!! Michigan State lost 8 of their final 9 games, and the last time Navy beat Notre Dame was when Staubach was QB. So they squeaked by an inconsistent GT team, beat an inexperienced PSU team early in the season, and took down an underachieving UCLA team. And they not only lost to Michigan and USC, they were completely demolished. That's not the same as slugging through the SEC, I'm sorry. Compared to what every other major conference team has to face that's pretty damn weak.

If you want to argue they are a top 25, or even top 15 team, that's fine, but they had no business being in a BCS bowl. What LSU did to them was painful to watch. They just didn't have the talent to stand toe to toe with those guys.[/quote]I like how you found massive flaws in Ga. Tech, Penn St., Navy, and UCLA..but completely ignored that Michigan and USC (and LSU) all were top 5 teams.

In the wake of OSU getting demolished in the title game, would it be unreasonable to say that the three BEST teams in College Football this year were Michigan, LSU, and USC? Certainly Florida (and Ohio State) should be in that discussion, but I'm not sure they would have beaten ANY of those teams.

We don't know very much about Notre Dame. We know they weren't talented enough to run with some of the powerhouses this year. But if you think they are overrated, consider that they are rated 17 right now. Are you going to tell me that there are 16 NCAA teams better than them when they were undefeated against teams not in the Top 6?

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[QUOTE=GTripp0012;268563]I like how you found massive flaws in Ga. Tech, Penn St., Navy, and UCLA..but completely ignored that Michigan and USC (and LSU) all were top 5 teams.

In the wake of OSU getting demolished in the title game, would it be unreasonable to say that the three BEST teams in College Football this year were Michigan, LSU, and USC? Certainly Florida (and Ohio State) should be in that discussion, but I'm not sure they would have beaten ANY of those teams.

We don't know very much about Notre Dame. We know they weren't talented enough to run with some of the powerhouses this year. But if you think they are overrated, consider that they are rated 17 right now. Are you going to tell me that there are 16 NCAA teams better than them when they were undefeated against teams not in the Top 6?[/QUOTE]

Sorry buddy, you don't get credit in my book for playing a top 5 team if they demolish you. Mississippi state played some tough teams too you know. You look at the wins. My argument, which I stand behind, is that ND doesn't have any impressive wins. We know that much about them.

BTW, do you really expect a serious answer as to whether or not Michigan is a top 3 team? You do realize that OSU played Michigan right? And won? That's the most ridiculous item of the day.

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[quote=jsarno;266854]That is wierd how it shows UConn as an ind.
Like I have said before, I am a pro guru, not a college guru.[/quote]

They WERE independent until the Big East shakeup a couple of years ago when Miami, BC and VT moved out to the ACC and Temple went independent. That's when UConn, Cincinatti, Louisville and South Florida moved into the Big East.

The Big East used to be a strong conference, but the 3 top teams moved out and 2 crap teams, an OK South Florida team and a good Louisville team moved in. Syracuse is embarrassing now.

All they have is West Virginia, Louisville and Rutgers (a team who could NEVER have a good team until the powerhouses moved out (or fell down like Syracuse).

The ONLY independent teams now are ND, Army, Navy and Temple. That longer list is OLD.