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Anything dealing with the Redskins not getting any respect or the media bias. I remember this offseason many people here talking about the media bias, and how dare they not pick us for the division, I mean... look at our team.

I hear every year how great the Redskins are going to be, and I fail to see it every year. Face it folks, the media isn't bias. We suck, we have a tradition of sucking, and until we PROVE something we don't deserve an ounce of respect anywhere.

Even when we were playing horrible football in preseason everyone said it didn't matter, and the team was just kidding. Many people blindly said "The score doesn't matter." Which is 100% true. Wins/Losses don't matter in preseason, you judge your team based on performance, and namely that of the starters.

Just something that bothers me every offseason that I figured I'd vent. When the Redskins EARN some respect, then they'll get their due. Until then, we're on the same level as the Browns, Raiders, and Cardinals.

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That's fine but I don't recall getting much respect when we won 6 in a row last year. I agree that for the most part that criticisms of the Redskins are justified due to losing, but I refuse to believe that some in the media aren't a bit biased due to their dislike for Dan Snyder.

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im old enough to remember the glory years. and yes, the media was all over our jocks when we were winning super bowls. so daseal, im with you. to get respect, you have to earn respect

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We were picked in the top five by espn, we were so overrated

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[QUOTE=Mattyk72;267058]That's fine but I don't recall getting much respect when we won 6 in a row last year. I agree that for the most part that criticisms of the Redskins are justified due to losing, but I refuse to believe that some in the media aren't a bit biased [B]due to their dislike for Dan Snyder[/B].[/QUOTE]

Why do you think that is? I believe Dan Snyder brought much of that on himself. Many people see him as the Paris Hilton of the NFL - lots to spend, with little substance or results.

It goes back to what Daseal said, when Snyder's teams start winning, the respect will come. Until then, they have ZERO reason to respect anything he does or the Redskins do.

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[quote=Daseal;267055]Anything dealing with the Redskins not getting any respect or the media bias. I remember this offseason many people here talking about the media bias, and how dare they not pick us for the division, I mean... look at our team.

I hear every year how great the Redskins are going to be, and I fail to see it every year. Face it folks, the media isn't bias. We suck, we have a tradition of sucking, and until we PROVE something we don't deserve an ounce of respect anywhere.

Even when we were playing horrible football in preseason everyone said it didn't matter, and the team was just kidding. Many people blindly said "The score doesn't matter." Which is 100% true. Wins/Losses don't matter in preseason, you judge your team based on performance, and namely that of the starters.

Just something that bothers me every offseason that I figured I'd vent. When the Redskins EARN some respect, then they'll get their due. Until then, we're on the same level as the Browns, Raiders, and Cardinals.[/quote]

Good post. We deserve to be shat upon. Anyone who said we'd stink deserves some kudos for being right, just as Lenny P deserved to eat crow in 2005 when we went 10-6.

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[QUOTE=Mattyk72;267058]That's fine but I don't recall getting much respect when we won 6 in a row last year. I agree that for the most part that criticisms of the Redskins are justified due to losing, but I refuse to believe that some in the media aren't a bit biased due to their dislike for Dan Snyder.[/QUOTE]

Its obvious now that the 6 game streak was an anomily and not a precursor of things to come.

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I agree & I know others on here do too, as I recall several people posting that we'll get respect once we earn it.
I wouldn't totally discount the notion of media bias though. The media are people too, and when they get snubbed or blacklisted by the Danny it has to affect their judgement of the team. JKC could be a real SOB but he dealt w/the public a lot more & a lot better.
My only significant complaint is that Gibbs didn't get his props last year for our playoff run, whereas the tuna gets all the media accolades but hasn't won a playoff game yet w/the cowpokes. He also had a 6-10 season.
As for Gibbs' 05 offseason & the tuna's draft picks I'll give the tuna credit there.

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More than an anomaly it seems like we did too much in the offseason yet again. Would it be easy to argue that had we been playing smash mouth football and kept a Ryan Clark we'd be right there in the thick of things? Honestly, I think that would have been just enough for the Skins to be playing right now.

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[QUOTE=Mattyk72;267058]That's fine but I don't recall getting much respect when we won 6 in a row last year. I agree that for the most part that criticisms of the Redskins are justified due to losing, but I refuse to believe that some in the media aren't a bit biased due to their dislike for Dan Snyder.[/QUOTE]

Yeah, compare the respect that we got last year versus the praise media pundits are pilling on Phili for doing the exact same thing.

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[quote=irish;267070]Its obvious now that the 6 game streak was an anomily and not a precursor of things to come.[/quote]

I'm not talking in hindsight, I'm talking about during that winning streak we didn't receive much respect.

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[quote=Beemnseven;267062]Why do you think that is? I believe Dan Snyder brought much of that on himself. Many people see him as the Paris Hilton of the NFL - lots to spend, with little substance or results.

It goes back to what Daseal said, when Snyder's teams start winning, the respect will come. Until then, they have ZERO reason to respect anything he does or the Redskins do.[/quote]

I'm not debating whether or not people in the media should or shouldn't dislike him. They are certainly entitled to their opinion and of course Snyder has brought a lot of heat on himself.

I just think it's foolish to think there isn't a bias out there.

I also highly doubt that even if the Skins were to win it all that the media would all of a sudden do a 180 and praise Snyder. If anything it would be very reluctant praise, and they would probably look to credit everyone but him for the success.

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And Daseal, while I agree with you that we do suck and we do deserve criticism, I don't think anyone can argue with the fact that the media roots against us. There's a schadenfreude quality in the glee with which most media pundits outside of DC report and cover our losing. I think that, given our level of success over the last 15 years, as well as the storied history of our franchise and coach, we should have at least gotten a little more good will during our improbable run last year than we did.

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[QUOTE=djnemo65;267082]And Daseal, while I agree with you that we do suck and we do deserve criticism, I don't think anyone can argue with the fact that the media roots against us. There's a schadenfreude quality in the glee with which most media pundits outside of DC report and cover our losing. I think that, given our level of success over the last 15 years, as well as the storied history of our franchise and coach, we should have at least gotten a little more good will during our improbable run last year than we did.[/QUOTE]


Why would the media root against or for that matter even care about a team that has 2 playoff appearances in 15 years? They dont. I travel a lot with work and rarely see the redskins mentioned in other cities newspapers because the skins are a losing team and there is nothing to report. The pundits outside DC dont care a hoot aboutthe skins because there is nothing to care about.

I think the redskins did get respect for the 6 game streak by being seriously discussed as a super bowl contender this year. Obviously it was respect they didnt deserve.

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[quote=Daseal;267055]Anything dealing with the Redskins not getting any respect or the media bias. I remember this offseason many people here talking about the media bias, and how dare they not pick us for the division, I mean... look at our team.

I hear every year how great the Redskins are going to be, and I fail to see it every year. Face it folks, the media isn't bias. We suck, we have a tradition of sucking, and until we PROVE something we don't deserve an ounce of respect anywhere.

Even when we were playing horrible football in preseason everyone said it didn't matter, and the team was just kidding. Many people blindly said "The score doesn't matter." Which is 100% true. Wins/Losses don't matter in preseason, you judge your team based on performance, and namely that of the starters.

Just something that bothers me every offseason that I figured I'd vent. When the Redskins EARN some respect, then they'll get their due. Until then, we're on the same level as the Browns, Raiders, and Cardinals.[/quote]

................Noted............

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When you guys going to realize you are what your record is. When you win your great when you lose you stink. Win more games than you lose and you get respect. I reality there are very few if any outstanding consistent teams in the whole league. It's not Gibbs or Snyder. They don't tackle. It's those guys who call themselves players who've got to improve for the redskin's to get respect.

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While I don't care about media bashing or blowing, most definitely a bias exists. All I ask for is consistency. If you're going to bash Snyder fine, but bash the Millens and the Bidwells of the league too. Hell, why not bash the Eagles of the past few years? They made it deep in the playoffs numerous years with nothing to show for it. As far as I'm concerned, that's almost as bad as not even making the playoffs. You're only as good as the trophies in your case.

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My list of things not to say and to whom not to say them:

1) You talk like a girl. -Mike Tyson
2) Boy are your arms hairy. -mother in law
3) How fat you plannin on gettin, hon? -wifey
4) Skins get no respect from media. -daseal

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[QUOTE=TheMalcolmConnection;267115]While I don't care about media bashing or blowing, most definitely a bias exists. All I ask for is consistency. If you're going to bash Snyder fine, [B]but bash the Millens and the Bidwells [/B]of the league too. Hell, why not bash the Eagles of the past few years? They made it deep in the playoffs numerous years with nothing to show for it. As far as I'm concerned, that's almost as bad as not even making the playoffs. You're only as good as the trophies in your case.[/QUOTE]

You don't think Millen and Bidwell get heat?

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Not like Snyder. Not even close.

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[QUOTE=djnemo65;267082]And Daseal, while I agree with you that we do suck and we do deserve criticism, I don't think anyone can argue with the fact that the media roots against us. There's a schadenfreude quality in the glee with which most media pundits outside of DC report and cover our losing. I think that, [B]given our level of success over the last 15 years[/B], as well as the storied history of our franchise and coach, we should have at least gotten a little more good will during our improbable run last year than we did.[/QUOTE]

Did I miss something over the last 15 years? What success are you talking about?

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Actually, I think the bashing Dan Snyder gets has leveled off in the last few years. It was rough in 2000 spending spree, after canning Marty in '01, and after the Spurrier disaster (by the way, who gets the blame for those examples?).

But believe me, when listening to the comments after the regular season ended, the Redskins are surprisingly missing from the "most disappointing" lists. I can't tell you the last time I heard Danny take a hit publicly.

But Millen's getting bent over, believe you me.

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[quote=Beemnseven;267156]Actually, I think the bashing Dan Snyder gets has leveled off in the last few years. It was rough in 2000 spending spree, after canning Marty in '01, and after the Spurrier disaster (by the way, who gets the blame for those examples?).

But believe me, when listening to the comments after the regular season ended, the Redskins are surprisingly missing from the "most disappointing" lists. I can't tell you the last time I heard Danny take a hit publicly.

But Millen's getting bent over, believe you me.[/quote]

In fact, the last two years Millen has been getting bent over more than Snyder by the media and even worse by the Detroit fans.

Bidwell, for years and years..he's been the but of jokes. Snyder has a long way to go to catch up with Bidwell, I think.

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How often do you Snyder's name in the media cast in a positive light? What has he done, other than try to build a Superbowl Skins team (albeit stupidly at times)?????? IMO, he's not particularly likeable, maybe that's it. I find many people that way. They don't own NFL teams

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[quote=dmek25;267059]im old enough to remember the glory years. and yes, the media was all over our jocks when we were winning super bowls. so daseal, im with you. to get respect, you have to earn respect[/quote]

Well said but just not with the Skins in Life in general.

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There certainly is a media bias and I don't believe our team is the only team who has been victim of it. At the same time, I do agree with Daseal that until we start winning, and I don't mean one winning season, I mean doing it on a consistent basis season in and season out, we probably deserve at least MOST of the criticism we've gotten.

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[QUOTE=Beemnseven;267151]Did I miss something over the last 15 years? What success are you talking about?[/QUOTE]

That's the point. Why root against us when we haven't won in 15 years?

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[QUOTE=irish;267092]Why would the media root against or for that matter even care about a team that has 2 playoff appearances in 15 years? They dont. I travel a lot with work and rarely see the redskins mentioned in other cities newspapers because the skins are a losing team and there is nothing to report. The pundits outside DC dont care a hoot aboutthe skins because there is nothing to care about.

I think the redskins did get respect for the 6 game streak by being seriously discussed as a super bowl contender this year. Obviously it was respect they didnt deserve.[/QUOTE]

I am not talking about regional papers.....they don't cover us any more than the Post covers other teams. I am talking about the national media - ESPN, sports radio, etc. Their is a palpable, demonstrable antipathy towards the Skins I have detected. Can I prove it? No, but I think it's crazy to argue there isn't an underlying hostility towards Snyder that underlies every mainstream media discussion of the Skins. And it's not even just the media. I meet people all the time who are Packers fans or Seelers or fans or whatever, and say, oh man, I hate the Skins. Why? We are so harmless...

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[quote=irish;267070]Its obvious now that the 6 game streak was an anomily and not a precursor of things to come.[/quote]
Even worse, losing streaks are the norm for Gibbs 2.0:

2004 - 4 game losing streak, 3 game losing streak

2005 - 2 game losing streak, 3 game losing streak

2006 - 3 game losing strea, and FOUR 2 game losing streaks

Thats 9 losing streaks in 3 seasons. During that same period, the Skins have had only 3 winning streaks - 3 games to start the season and the 6 game run at the end of 2005, and the only consecutive games won this year (@Houston, Jacksonville).

Let me repeat: 9 losing streaks vs. 3 winning streaks. That's enough said on what the norm is around here.

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[quote=SouperMeister;267657]Even worse, losing streaks are the norm for Gibbs 2.0:

2004 - 4 game losing streak, 3 game losing streak

2005 - 2 game losing streak, 3 game losing streak

2006 - 3 game losing strea, and FOUR 2 game losing streaks

Thats 9 losing streaks in 3 seasons. During that same period, the Skins have had only 3 winning streaks - 3 games to start the season and the 6 game run at the end of 2005, and the only consecutive games won this year (@Houston, Jacksonville).

Let me repeat: 9 losing streaks vs. 3 winning streaks. That's enough said on what the norm is around here.[/quote]


Brutal but true. The numbers don't lie, and the fact is that after 3 years Gibbs II is a losing proposition.

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I really don't want to hear the "preseason means nothing" argument next season. We played like crap in the preseason this year, and played like crap all season long.

This season, the preseason was a perfect, nearly 100% accurate measurement of how we looked all season long.

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[QUOTE=SouperMeister;267657]Even worse, losing streaks are the norm for Gibbs 2.0:

2004 - 4 game losing streak, 3 game losing streak

2005 - 2 game losing streak, 3 game losing streak

2006 - 3 game losing strea, and FOUR 2 game losing streaks

Thats 9 losing streaks in 3 seasons. During that same period, the Skins have had only 3 winning streaks - 3 games to start the season and the 6 game run at the end of 2005, and the only consecutive games won this year (@Houston, Jacksonville).

Let me repeat: 9 losing streaks vs. 3 winning streaks. That's enough said on what the norm is around here.[/QUOTE]

Damn. Who would have believed that three years ago, the day Joe Gibbs came back, we'd be talking about Gibbs' 2nd losing season in three years, and counting the numbers of losing streaks he has.

This truly is a nightmare. I never, NEVER could have imagined such a scenario.

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If Gibbs had never went back to coaching, would we have even talked about making the playoffs last season and having such high expectations now? I still say for a man to have been away from coaching the NFL for what...11 years...to come back and coach a team to the playoffs his second year back is a great accomplishment. Let's face it...we all want this franchise to be winning now, but winning as much as the Patriots are doing. That type of expectation does not happen overnight. I guess we have to look at it this way......if it takes Gibbs 4 or 5 seasons to turn this team into a consistent winner, year after year...isn't that more valuable than to have one great year and another 15+ losing seasons?

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Yeah, expectations were probably way too high.

Still, that's a lot of "L"s that have been added to his Win-Loss column. And it's the way he's been losing -- sometimes, this team looks downright incompetent.

I guess we should have expected some potholes along the way. But not to this extent.

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[QUOTE=Beemnseven;267686]Yeah, expectations were probably way too high.

Still, that's a lot of "L"s that have been added to his Win-Loss column. And it's the way he's been losing -- sometimes, this team looks downright incompetent.

I guess we should have expected some potholes along the way. But not to this extent.[/QUOTE]

Well, nobody expected our defense to regress as much as it has....but I also believe that if we had not changed our offense (which apparently was much more of a change than what we all realized) that we would've probably made the playoffs again. We have more to look forward to than to dread, IMO.

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Honestly I never wanna see this thread again....Kill it...

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[quote=skinsguy;267688]Well, nobody expected our defense to regress as much as it has....but I also believe that if we had not changed our offense (which apparently was much more of a change than what we all realized) that we would've probably made the playoffs again. We have more to look forward to than to dread, IMO.[/quote]

I wish I could share your optimism (seriously). To me, the fact that 3 three years in to his five year deal we are sitting here discussing Gibbs's various losing streaks and how if this or that had/hadn't happened we wouldn't have missed the playoffs again should be a big-time red flag.

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come on people, are you kidding?? The Redskins stink!! And basically have for 10 or more years. Do you recall the other lower rank teams in the NFL getting some media coverage when they stink. NO. Just because they are the Redskins doesn't entitle them to more TV or print news than anyone else. The only story that gets written about is how much we spend every year and how ridiculous we are for overpaying. Look at it this way, We get the most media coverage in the history of the NFL during the offseason. NO ONE even comes close to the coverage we get when free agency starts to the beginning of preseason. When we consistantly win, not just one season, but 3 or 4 seasons in a row maybe then we'll get some TV time. It took the Bengals a few years for the media to believe they were winning games, or Seattle before they were concidered a good team. Hey for the 1st couple of years it was because they were in a weak division. It took a super bowl for people to take them serious.

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