Bigger choke: Tony Romo or Phil Mickelson
 

Which choke job was worse, Phil Mickelson blowing the U.S. Open with a one stroke lead on the final hole or what Tony Romo did last night? I would have to say Romo myself.

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Well being a huge fan of one, and a hater of the other one....I'll be realistic.

Its Phil Mickelson in a landslide. Tony Romo choked for sure, but thats somthing that happens from time to time. Should it have? No, but it does.

Mickelson on the other hand was the biggest choke job I've ever seen. If you put any proffesional golfer in that spot, they would get it done. The guy litterally looked like you're everyday beer league golfer on that final hole. The difference too, is Mickelson had chance after chance to make up for his inital mess up. Romo's was boom, messed up, over. Phil lined up and took 7 shots and they were all equally terrible.

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As far as impact goes, Phil Mickelson cheated himself out of more money...Romo cheated himself, his teammates, the Cowboys organization, and every Cowboy fan on the planet.

Romo rakes it by a mile. Way to go Romo!

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Mickelson.

If someone wants to call what Romo did a "choke" I don't have a big problem with that but in fairness, as woeful as Bledsoe was looking early on, Dallas probably isn't in the playoffs without him. Also, he did what he could last night, and he did have his team in positon to win. His "choke" was one lightning-quick moment that had come and gone almost before anyone knew what had happened.

Mickelson KNEW he was choking and couldn't do anything about it.

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Do you think it was just a random fumble, or was it caused by the pressure. Was he thinking, I got to get this down or was he just not consentrating enough? Its such an easy thing to do, that if it was due to pressure it was him as the biggest choke job.

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[QUOTE=BigSKINBauer;267964]Do you think it was just a random fumble, or was it caused by the pressure. Was he thinking, I got to get this down or was he just not consentrating enough? Its such an easy thing to do, that if it was due to pressure it was him as the biggest choke job.[/QUOTE]

Well, I dont think he was concentrating to be honest. I think everyone thought it was over, and if it was either of those two, he just wasent thinking about it.

My other question about last night....

Is what the hell was Terry Glenn doing on that hail mary. Did he just not see the ball or what because he had a very serious chance at catching that.........but he didnt :)

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Phil Mickelson.

Easily because he is a legend and Romo is nothing. Phil fell over a long period of time and he knew he was slipping. He was at the top of his game and was a vet. Romo is just some over hyped loser.

In the end Romo is nothing, and personally I would expect something bad out of him in a big game.

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[quote=hooskins;267974]Phil Mickelson.

Easily because he is a legend and Romo is nothing. quote]
this is a classic

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[quote=dmek25;267977][quote=hooskins;267974]Phil Mickelson.

Easily because he is a legend and Romo is nothing. quote]
this is a classic[/quote]

Phil does have three majors, so he is pretty accomplished. He'd probably have even more if it wasn't for that Woods fella.

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theres no way mickelsons choke was worse than jean van de velde in the 1999 british open. that was painful to watch

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Tony Blomo! This guy is the most fraudulant NFL player out there.

How does he get selected to the Pro Bowl over Vick when Vick broke a NFL record that stood for 30 years!

LT broke a record that was made last year and he was an automatic bid for MVP.

That's what happens to fruadulant people, they get exposed, and last night he just opened the door on his own dark room.

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[quote=redskinsskickazz;267981]theres no way mickelsons choke was worse than jean van de velde in the 1999 british open. that was painful to watch[/quote]

No question about that, what eased Mickelson's choke was that he had just won the Masters a couple of month's earlier.

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[quote=bisontee;267983]Tony Blomo! This guy is the most fraudulant NFL player out there.

How does he get selected to the Pro Bowl over Vick when Vick broke a NFL record that stood for 30 years!

LT broke a record that was made last year and he was an automatic bid for MVP.

That's what happens to fruadulant people, they get exposed, and last night he just opened the door on his own dark room.[/quote]


I don't know if I would label him a fraud because his hands got wet and he took his mind off the task at hand.

He did lead them to a point where a simple play might have won the game for them.

Is Betts a fraud for fumbling away the St. Louis game?

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[QUOTE=redskinsskickazz;267981]theres no way mickelsons choke was worse than jean van de velde in the 1999 british open. that was painful to watch[/QUOTE]


Or how about the entire Yankees team in the 04 ALCS vs the Red Sox.

Ahhh yes, that can still bring a joyful tear to my eye!

Romo brought them there, without him, they would have rivaled the Skins record. It's amazing how fast the Dallas faithful (I know, that's an oxymoron) have turned on their "savior". He was the second coming of Jesus in Dallas, now he's David Koresh.

Re: Tony Romo or Phil Mickelson which choke job was worse?
 

[quote=ncskinsfanec;267958]Which choke job was worse, Phil Mickelson blowing the U.S. Open with a one stroke lead on the final hole or what Tony Romo did last night? I would have to say Romo myself.[/quote]

NOT EVEN CLOSE. It's Hefty. Romo played OK at his main position. He just mishandled a slick ball. Next year he won't even be holding on kicks. Hefty just flat out choked as did Montgomerie. Actually Monty was worse cause he was only 170 away and already in the fairway. All he had to do was hit the green with a 6-7 iron, three put and he would have won.

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[quote=redskinsskickazz;267981]theres no way mickelsons choke was worse than jean van de velde in the 1999 british open. that was painful to watch[/quote]

Van De Velde was the worst choke I have ever seen with Narman's 96 Masters a close 2nd. A double bogey wins and he gets a 7. Can't wait for the 07 British. Its at Carnoustie again and I hope they set it up like they did last time. I like watching the pros hack it up and then complain like a bunch of cry babies.

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[quote=skinsfan69;268011]Van De Velde was the worst choke I have ever seen with Narman's 96 Masters a close 2nd. A double bogey wins and he gets a 7. Can't wait for the 07 British. Its at Carnoustie again and I hope they set it up like they did last time. I like watching the pros hack it up and then complain like a bunch of cry babies.[/quote]

Yes, Carnoustie is always brutal. It's just about as tough as any U.S. Open venue, and you know how brutal those are. The Masters is still always my favorite though.

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[QUOTE=skinsfan69;268011]Van De Velde was the worst choke I have ever seen with Narman's 96 Masters a close 2nd. A double bogey wins and he gets a 7. Can't wait for the 07 British. Its at Carnoustie again and I hope they set it up like they did last time. I like watching the pros hack it up and then complain like a bunch of cry babies.[/QUOTE]

Those were terrible. Also, Jana Novotna in the Wimbledon finals againt Graf. She was up I think 6-7, 6-1, 5-1 with a 40-0 lead (I could be slightly off) then she lost the match! Damn that sucked for her.

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On the snap Romo had the ball cleanly, it just slipped on putting it down, thats not really choking its just that rare chance of it slipping from under his hand and fortunately it happened to Homo

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I agree... Jean Van de Veld's 1999 British Open was the all time choke.

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I loved the fact that Dallas lost, but I also felt pretty bad for Romo. You could see he was taking it pretty hard.

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The implication (from those nasty rumor guys) is that the Seahawks supplied a slippery ball.

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[quote=EEich;268178]The implication (from those nasty rumor guys) is that the Seahawks supplied a slippery ball.[/quote]

Late in the game like that I'd guess most of the balls would be wet, if not all of them.

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[quote=ncskinsfanec;268012]Yes, Carnoustie is always brutal. It's just about as tough as any U.S. Open venue, and you know how brutal those are. The Masters is still always my favorite though.[/quote]

I like watching the Masters a lot more now that they have set it up much harder. I guess those crusty good old boys that run it got tired of seeing all those birdies. If they ever grow the ruff up like a US Open it would be unplayable.

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[quote=Mattyk72;268182]Late in the game like that I'd guess most of the balls would be wet, if not all of them.[/quote]

You could see how slick the ball was. But Romo should have put on some gloves.

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I really feel bad for the guy, I kinda like the NFL longshot stories. He came out of no where and did pretty well. I still hate the f-ing cowboys, but sometimes you gotta root for the underdog. And face it they wouldnt have gotten this far without him

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Romo fumbled twice against the Lions a week earlier when he wasn't even touched! Maybe he'll be like 50/50 was, he'll hold on half the time!

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I guess one has to define "choke." To me it is a pattern of mental errors in a high pressure environment that collectively lead to failure. That is different than a single isolated mistake that causes a loss. Romo made a mistake, but that's not the same as choking. Phil is clearly the big winner here.

Also note that choking in a team sport is much more difficult since wins and losses are based on collective performances instead of one person. Golf is the ultimate choke producer as it is so easy to succumb to the pressure on the final holes. That's what makes the Yankee's collapse in '04 so noteworthy. Never has an entire team shit the bed with such emphatic gusto as that squad.

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Romo's was by far the worse choke, and it's not even close. He blew what essentially was an extra point. How often do you see botched extra points? How often do you see golfers choke under major championship pressure at the 72nd hole? 'Nuff said.

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[quote=SouperMeister;268229]Romo's was by far the worse choke, and it's not even close. He blew what essentially was an extra point. How often do you see botched extra points? How often do you see golfers choke under major championship pressure at the 72nd hole? 'Nuff said.[/quote]

It's not even his real position so I don't know why people are making such a big deal out of it. Maybe if he threw 4 or 5 int's and had a bad game at the QB position then you would have a story. But just cause he dropped a snap on a FG does not mean he's a choker. This thread is plain silly.

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[quote=skinsfan69;268232]It's not even his real position so I don't know why people are making such a big deal out of it. Maybe if he threw 4 or 5 int's and had a bad game at the QB position then you would have a story. But just cause he dropped a snap on a FG does not mean he's a choker. This thread is plain silly.[/quote]

You're entitled to your opinion, but there's no question that Romo choked, they've practiced those field goals countless times, and there's no way that should have ever happened. The fact of the matter is that he's been playing poorly for a while now at the QB position, I mean how many fumbles and terrible decisions can one guy possibly make, he's been making Eli look like Peyton by comparison. By the way, it's just silly to rag on threads that spawn conversation and thought which is just as silly as the people around here who rag on Joe Gibbs (the Skins would be nothing without him), totally unwarranted and just plain petty I say.

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[QUOTE=skinsfan69;268232]It's not even his real position so I don't know why people are making such a big deal out of it. Maybe if he threw 4 or 5 int's and had a bad game at the QB position then you would have a story. But just cause he dropped a snap on a FG does not mean he's a choker. This thread is plain silly.[/QUOTE]

But isn't it his position? Hasn't he been the holder all year long?

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[quote=skinsfan69;268184]I like watching the Masters a lot more now that they have set it up much harder. I guess those crusty good old boys that run it got tired of seeing all those birdies. If they ever grow the ruff up like a US Open it would be unplayable.[/quote]

I just love the atmosphere of the Masters, so much tradition and history. What makes it better than the other majors is in large part due to the fact that they play at the same venue every year. Who'll ever forget Nicklaus winning in '86, well past his prime, or Mickelson finally breaking through with that long birdie putt on 18 three years ago, or Tiger's magic chip on the par-three 16th in '05. I can't wait till April for the next one!

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[quote=TAFKAS;268270]But isn't it his position? Hasn't he been the holder all year long?[/quote]

Exactly!

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Like someone said earlier I guess it depends on your definition of choked.

Did Romo F up? Yeah. But was his F up due to the pressure of the situation and his inability to handle it? Only he knows for sure.

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[quote=Mattyk72;268274]Like someone said earlier I guess it depends on your definition of choked.

Did Romo F up? Yeah. But was his F up due to the pressure of the situation and his inability to handle it? Only he knows for sure.[/quote]

It would seem to me a combination of both. Like any sport both mental and physical aspects come into play. I mean, you can't mess up a perfect snap like that no matter who you are.

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[quote=ncskinsfanec;268282]It would seem to me a combination of both. Like any sport both mental and physical aspects come into play. I mean, you can't mess up a perfect snap like that no matter who you are.[/quote]

Or was it just due to a wet ball and someone who tends to have a fumbling problem?

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As much as I enjoyed watching Tony Homo gag on national television, Phil Mickelson performed the ultimate choke. He actually brought the Tin Cup movie to real life. Any golfer, even a weekend golfer, knows that you do not compound a mistake with another mistake. When he sliced the first ball into the woods, his next shot should be to put the ball back into play and try and make par. At worst he would have gotten a bogey and would still have an opportunity to win the championship in a playoff. Freaking idiot tries to make a miracle shot and ends up losing it all.

At least when Homo fumbled the ball, he tried to make something of it. He almost converted the first down. That was a great hustle play by the Seattle defense.

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The "ultimate choke" was Pam Anderson on Tommy Lee...zing!. That's right, I went there.

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[quote=ncskinsfanec;268264]You're entitled to your opinion, but there's no question that Romo choked, they've practiced those field goals countless times, and there's no way that should have ever happened. The fact of the matter is that he's been playing poorly for a while now at the QB position, I mean how many fumbles and terrible decisions can one guy possibly make, he's been making Eli look like Peyton by comparison. By the way, it's just silly to rag on threads that spawn conversation and thought which is just as silly as the people around here who rag on Joe Gibbs (the Skins would be nothing without him), totally unwarranted and just plain petty I say.[/quote]

I know your a knowledgeable football fan. Romo is a young Qb that does not have a lot of game experience, just like JC. He is going to be really really good. You can see he has very good ability. He needs a full off season of being the starter just like JC. Saying that he choked cause he dropped a snap is ridicules. So did Terry Glen choke when he fumbled and gave Seattle two points? Did Bradie James choke when he let Stevens run by him? Choking is Jean Van De Velve or Houston Oilers letting Buff come back from 31 down.

As for Gibbs he deserves the heat that he gets. Horrible FO moves and some poor coaching will get you ripped. I hope he turns it around. But remember, Gibbs 1 had a GM and Ritchie Petibone.