Redskins should pursue Russ Grimm:
 

Russ Grimm will be off the coaching market this year. If we really want to setup a stable and successful franchise, we need to start at the top. Rarely does a team have the chance to bring back a legend of a player as a coach, who has already had a fruitful coaching career as a high profile assistant. The problem is that I doubt we can get a coach of this caliber once Gibbs decides to hang it up. We can promote Williams, which personally, I'm in favor of -- but with the recent slump in the defense he wouldn't be a popular hire.

There's one thing in our way right now. We already have a head coach, and while his coaching has shown up as mediocre at best the last three years, he's too popular to fire and Snyder is infatuated with him.

My thought is this, pursue Grimm, see what it would take to hire him as our head coach right now. There are no problems with interviewing a candidate. All of this with Joe Gibbs knowing. If Gibbs wants this franchise to continue, it's time for him to hand the reigns over to Grimm who could be a stable and longtime coaching force here. However, I don't want Gibbs to step down, I want him to be given one of those assistant head coach positions. This would help Grimm get adjusted to head coaching and have someone who has seen it all to fall back on, ask questions, and learn from.

I simply don't see the Redskins able to get a head coach like Grimm once Gibbs decides he's done. Grimm will be a head coach this off-season, and I'd prefer we have him instead of any other team. Curious what you guys think.

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While I do not agree with Joe2 handing over anything (unless it is his idea), I would love to see Grimm back in DC with...............some job until Joe hangs it up
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While I like the thought, you're out of your mind if you think Gibbs would take a step back to being an assistant. Even if he were just a figurehead and Grimm were the actual head coach, the title would stay with Joe. Also, who's to say that Grimm wants guys like Saunders and Williams coaching under him? That's the biggest problem I have. The idea that it could mean a whole lot more turnover in coaching staff.

While I won't argue that this group has been little better than mediocre (maybe better) I will argue that they need more time. I think Joe should get the five years he signed that contract for. He should get the opportunity to try to turn this thing around. I hope they only do some minor tweaking this offseason, not the typical "Redskins approach" to the offseason.

So, I guess I'm against the idea. Now, if this were next year and we were having this discussion after another losing season, I might be in favor it, just not at this point. I do understand your concern about not having the opportunity next year, I think that's a chance the Redskins are just going to have to take.

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Grimm isn't going to take anything but a head coaching job, he's the future of a franchise. Unfortunately, not ours.

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Don't misunderstand me; I'm not saying that I think this will happen, or even that it's half way possible. Personally, I think we should pursue him, but we won't.

My question to you jdlea, is giving a coach five years to clean up an organization is unheard of now days. Three years is being relatively patient. I think if we have another season such as this one, it's time to show Gibbs the door.

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It would be nice to have him back in the fold but I don't see any plausible possibility. Gibbs wouldn't step aside and I don't see Snyder interviewing anyone as long as Gibbs is under contract.

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I love Grimm. And have wanted him to be on this staff and the heir apparent for years now. But I just don't see him coming here. And, like jdlea says, it wouldn't necessarily be a case of just adding him to the staff. It could mean a complete overhaul. Plus, maybe after this Gibbs era is done we need a total break from that all. Just to better manage expectations.

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You also have to figure that while I would love to have him back, he is unproven as a head coach, and still a substancial risk.

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I like Grimms but who's to say that he will be successful as a head coach. There have been alot of assitant coaches which have fallen flat on their face when becoming a head coach (Williams & Saunders to mention two). Its one thing to coach a group of guys and another to run a team. Some people are very good and others while they may have the talent just don't know how to translate that into a head coaching job. I would think Grimm would be successful but no one really knows until he is given a chance. Are we ready to clear the slate and start from ground zero which is what we would be doing. Head coaches tend to want their hand picked coaches around them and I would think he would make changes to meet his needs not the needs that Gibbs had.

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I would rather gibbs step down as of now and let williams take the spot than grimm come in. I don't want to build up again. I don't want to hire outside coaches again. We have a lot o coaching talent on the team. I want nothing more than gibbs to come back with saunders and williams below him. There should be some changes among the other coaches but I would like to continue what we have here.

If Grimm were to come in with a different mindset and doesn't like saunders and williams we will have more problems. Also our team is full of people with big egos and it would be the slap in the face of GW if someone from the outside comes to take a job that was promised to him. He gets 1 million or something if he isn't the next coach right? I can see williams trying to get out of here if this were to happen. That would cause more problems. I am looking for some continuity

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Whose to say that Grimm would want to work for Dan, remember Grimm will need time to grow into his role as a Head Coach something Dan isn't patient doing. Plus I see Grimm wanting to work with an experienced proven GM. He doesn't seem like the type that wants both roles. Everyone sees how Spurrier was at an disadvantage with Cerrato and Dan, Laurel and Hardy.

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[QUOTE=Daseal;269014]Don't misunderstand me; I'm not saying that I think this will happen, or even that it's half way possible. Personally, I think we should pursue him, but we won't.

My question to you jdlea, is giving a coach five years to clean up an organization is unheard of now days. Three years is being relatively patient. I think if we have another season such as this one, it's time to show Gibbs the door.[/QUOTE]

I definitely see where you're coming from and I was on the "one more losing season and Gibbs needs to be fired" side of the fence until recently. (I reserve the right to get back on that side at some point) However, I think they should just go ahead and give him some time IF he says that, should he turn it around, he'll stay on for more than those five years. I don't want to see him get to the playoffs a couple times (probably the best case scenario) and then leave. Given his age and everything, that's probably unlikely, but IF he tells Snyder that if he makes them a contender then he'll keep coaching the team for awhile, I think some patience is probably warranted.

What changed my opinion on the Gibbs being canned after another losing season is the fact that that would be typical Washington Redskins. One winning season, 3 losing, you're gone. Now, it would probably be typical of most other teams in the league as well, but I think they need to show a little more patience and restraint...don't get this twisted either. This is no way out of respect for Joe Gibbs's Super Bowl rings, I would be saying this about any other coach. There have been times this year that I've thought they'd be better off without him, but I think they need to honor that committment and give him some more time. I don't know if it will work, but I think they should try it. I don't want them losing another coach too soon like I believe they did with Marty.

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It would be nice to bring him back into the fold but it's too late unfortunately. Besides, there's no guarantees regarding how he'll do as a head coach.

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Yeah, thats true. No guarantee, but as we've seen there's no guarantee if you bring a hall of fame coach either.

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I say let Grimm go off & do a head coaching job elsewhere, get his experience & then maybe in 2 years after Gibbs has finished his contract (or an extra extension year maybe) maybe we'll be in position to hire him, if he's shown he can be a good head coach.
I know GW was the planned successor, but that seems up in the air at this point.
I have a feeling Grimm will be a good head coach, and that in time he could be lured by nostalgia & $$$ to come back to DC as the Boss Hog!

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You can't just hire a head coach away, that's called tampering. If he does a good job, we won't have a shot at him for a long long time.

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In terms of long term stability, what I would love to have is:

a) Russ Grimm, Head Coach
b) Good, experienced GM
c) Team President, Joe Gibbs

No role for DS other than to sign the checks. Personnel decisions being made by the GM and coach with Gibbs being the tie-breaker. Essentially, the same triumvarite system we have now - but cutting out Cerrato and Snyder.

Not likely to happen in my lifetime.

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Sometimes I worry though that Russ Grimm will just be another Joe Bugel as head coach.

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I see what you're saying about bringing in Grimm, I think we'd all welcome him with open arms, however Pittsburgh won't let him go, and Grimm wont take a step down to come here. For as much as we would like to think Gibbs would step aside, Snyder would likely step in. Snyder bought Gibbs to come in and rescue a franchise in turmoil...he has since handed away a ton of his duties. I don't think Snyder would appreciate Gibbs being a 5 mil a year cheerleader.

So to sum up, Grimm is not in our radar for this year, and by next year, it will be too late.
So why not get a Darryl Green to coach the CB's?

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Grimm anchored the Univ. of Pittsburgh O line along with Mark May, prior to being drafted by the Redskins.

Has helped coach the Steelers for several years, and has consistantly been mentioned as a successor to Cowher.

Who says he wants to come back to the Burgandy and Gold?

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Good point back, I had no idea he had ties to PA other than the steelers.

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The report is that Russ Grimm has interviewed with the Arizona Cardinals. If you REALLY have a fond place in your heart for Russ Grimm, say a little prayer that he doesn't take that job. For all the faults that the Skins' FO has and the meddlesome ownership style of Danny Boy, the Cardinals organization is far - FAR - worse.

Last championship = 1948

# playoff wins since 1948 = 1

That kind of tells you something about that franchise...

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[quote=Daseal;269007]Russ Grimm will be off the coaching market this year. If we really want to setup a stable and successful franchise, we need to start at the top. Rarely does a team have the chance to bring back a legend of a player as a coach, who has already had a fruitful coaching career as a high profile assistant. The problem is that I doubt we can get a coach of this caliber once Gibbs decides to hang it up. We can promote Williams, which personally, I'm in favor of -- but with the recent slump in the defense he wouldn't be a popular hire.

There's one thing in our way right now. We already have a head coach, and while his coaching has shown up as mediocre at best the last three years, he's too popular to fire and Snyder is infatuated with him.

My thought is this, pursue Grimm, see what it would take to hire him as our head coach right now. There are no problems with interviewing a candidate. All of this with Joe Gibbs knowing. If Gibbs wants this franchise to continue, it's time for him to hand the reigns over to Grimm who could be a stable and longtime coaching force here. However, I don't want Gibbs to step down, I want him to be given one of those assistant head coach positions. This would help Grimm get adjusted to head coaching and have someone who has seen it all to fall back on, ask questions, and learn from.

I simply don't see the Redskins able to get a head coach like Grimm once Gibbs decides he's done. Grimm will be a head coach this off-season, and I'd prefer we have him instead of any other team. Curious what you guys think.[/quote]

Good PR move but it's not going to happen. We already have enough coaches.

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It's unfortunate that Marty fired Grimm. His head must have been up is a$$ when he made that decision. I'd love to have Grimm groomed under Joe Gibbs for when he does retire.

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[quote=Mattyk72;269026]It would be nice to bring him back into the fold but it's too late unfortunately. Besides, there's no guarantees regarding how he'll do as a head coach.[/quote]
can someone explain all the man love for grimm? yes, i loved him as a member of the hogs. one of the all time greats. in my opinion, should be in the hall. but, why does everyone want him as a head coach? he really hasnt proven anything in the coaching ranks

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[quote=JoeRedskin;269047]In terms of long term stability, what I would love to have is:

a) Russ Grimm, Head Coach
b) Good, experienced GM
c) Team President, Joe Gibbs

No role for DS other than to sign the checks. Personnel decisions being made by the GM and coach with Gibbs being the tie-breaker. Essentially, the same triumvarite system we have now - but cutting out Cerrato and Snyder.

Not likely to happen in my lifetime.[/quote]

Couldn't agree with you more, and I'm glad you bring this up. We need a GM, and not just a good, experienced one, but also one who does not work as proxy for Dan Snyder, or Vinny Cerrato, or any else. We can talk about coaches until we're blue in the face, but unless we have a half-way decent front office, the greatest coaching staff in the world will find it very, very difficult to have success with this organization.

As you say, not likely in my lifetime either.

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[QUOTE=dmek25;269814]can someone explain all the man love for grimm? yes, i loved him as a member of the hogs. one of the all time greats. in my opinion, should be in the hall. but, why does everyone want him as a head coach? he really hasnt proven anything in the coaching ranks[/QUOTE]

Nostalgia. Another link to the Glory Years. Like I've said before, if Joe Gibbs can't do it, how can Grimm?

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[QUOTE=JoeRedskin;269047]In terms of long term stability, what I would love to have is:

a) Russ Grimm, Head Coach
b) Good, experienced GM
c) Team President, Joe Gibbs

No role for DS other than to sign the checks. Personnel decisions being made by the GM and coach with Gibbs being the tie-breaker. Essentially, the same triumvarite system we have now - but cutting out Cerrato and Snyder.

Not likely to happen in my lifetime.[/QUOTE]

It's hard to have to admit this, but ... what has Gibbs demonstrated that he should have ANY say in personnel matters? In the same way that great coordinators don't necessarily make great head coaches, some people are great head coaches, but not great personnel guys -- Gibbs fits that mold perfectly.

By and large, the most successful teams have had two brilliant guys with separate and distinct responsibilities. That same structure was in place with Gibbs 1.0 and Bobby Beathard.

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How can we have stability when we're calling for whoever our coach is to be fired when he losses a game or two? And we end up firing a coach after a season or two (minus Gibbs).