Mort on the Portis trade rumors
 

[B]Adeel (D.C.):[/B] Mort, Is there any truth behind the rumors that Portis might be traded? What value does he have on the market?

[IMG]http://espn-ak.starwave.com/i/sn2.gif[/IMG] [B]Chris Mortensen: [/B]I've read the rumors but it's not high on my radar right now. I have some doubts because the Redskins would get diminished value for Portis, who is coming off shoulder surgery.

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Mort is pretty solid in his reporting, seems to always get accurate info. CP will be w/us a while longer at least.

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I wish his response was a little more emphatic. I'd hace loved a "That's not going to happen. The rumors are hogwash." The basic"Well I haven't heard anything" response doesn't make me so comfortable.

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That fact that he hasn't heard anything tells me it's pretty clear these rumors aren't based on any solid info.

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Hmmm, this thread reminds me of another conversation we were having back on [URL="http://www.thewarpath.net/redskins-locker-room/16717-broncos-interested-portis-2.html#post268343"]January 8th...[/URL]

"Damaged goods" anyone?

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As someone once said

[quote]It's alway's nice to pull up an old thread and see who got it right.[/quote]

I'll have to start keeping score too I guess.

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[quote=Mattyk72;270389]As someone once said



I'll have to start keeping score too I guess.[/quote]

I can see it now, Rock 'em Sock 'em Robots, Matty's the red one, Offiss is the blue one, and Offiss' head just got pwned.

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I believe that's what I've been saying all along, other teams view Portis as damaged only I think I used the word dinged. I also doubt CP is going anywhere but I think Redskins fans would be shocked (in a bad way) with what they would get for CP in a trade.

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i think the word trade needs to be reevaluated around this team. first we need to figure out why we do it.... then we need to figure out who to do it with..... then we need to figure out how to make a positive trade in our favor without pissing away draft picks.

when i hear trade anytime envolving the redskins i always think the worst, and im never dissapointed. at least not recently that is.

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[QUOTE=chrisl4064;270401]i think the word trade needs to be reevaluated around this team. first we need to figure out why we do it.... then we need to figure out who to do it with..... then we need to figure out how to make a positive trade in our favor without pissing away draft picks.

when i hear trade anytime envolving the redskins i always think the worst, and im never dissapointed. at least not recently that is.[/QUOTE]

Coles for Moss?

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Gibbs said "NO! We are not trading Portis" and I believe him.

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I don't understand how anybody can think Portis is expendable now that Betts had 1 good year. Every good team that Gibbs has ever had, he used 2 backs. I don't remember The early days with Riggins, but in 87 it was Bryant, Rogers,and Smith. In 91 it was Byner and Ervins. Why does everybody think that Portis and Betts Cant coexist.

This is a strength on our team. But it would become a weakness (depth) if we let one of them get away.

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[quote=Gmanc711;270428]Coles for Moss?[/quote] Coles for Moss because Coles forced a trade . We sent the Jets a 1st and 3rd rd pick for Coles , I think the Jets got the better of that deal . . Should have drafted Moss , not Gardner to begin with . Of course our 2nd rd pick this year is , the Jets < again > , our third and 4th rd picks ,,, Denver and SF . We keep pissing away draft picks , we will be the AZ cardinals in three years .

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I'm still trying to figure out how/where the trade Portis rumor got started. I haven't heard anyone in the Redskins organization mention anything about trading him. They may try to intice him to rework his contract for cap reasons, but trading him is unlikely.

They're going to need his effort, because gone are the days when teams can rely soley on one back to carry the load through a sixteen game season.

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Shoot trade everyone that we can, were not winning with any of these overpaid bums. I would rather lose with young inexpensive talent than over priced over the hill bums. Always being over the cap and having our butts kicked year and year out. We have stunk for the 12 of the last 14 yrs im sick of it.

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[QUOTE=CHIEF CHUCKING MY SPEAR;270461]Shoot trade everyone that we can, were not winning with any of these overpaid bums. I would rather lose with young inexpensive talent than over priced over the hill bums. Always being over the cap and having our butts kicked year and year out. We have stunk for the 12 of the last 14 yrs im sick of it.[/QUOTE]

Did you get up on the wrong side of the bed today? You're just rolling in the negativity today, more so than usual.

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no just trying to get some life in this place

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[QUOTE=CHIEF CHUCKING MY SPEAR;270464]no just trying to get some life in this place[/QUOTE]

Um...ok

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I would be pleasantly surprised if they traded Betts. Not because I have anything against him but because it would be very savvy.

Think about it:

- They showcased him and he thrived.
- They resigned him to backup money.
- His value would probably never be higher than it is right now.

And because of all of these good reasons....there is no chance in hell that they would do it.

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[quote=Longtimefan;270451]I'm still trying to figure out how/where the trade Portis rumor got started. I haven't heard anyone in the Redskins organization mention anything about trading him. They may try to intice him to rework his contract for cap reasons, but trading him is unlikely.

They're going to need his effort, because gone are the days when teams can rely soley on one back to carry the load through a sixteen game season.[/quote]

E James
L Tomlinson
L Johnson
F Gore
W Parker

These guys all carried the load and I probably forgot a couple. It doesn't happen as much but it can be done.

I know that Portis has plenty left in the tank. The ridiculous rumors were started by people who can't see the big picture. The same people that annoited the Giants then Cowboys then Chargers and now the Patriots.

The same type that says Taylor is the greatest player to ever suit up after the Carolina game and then say that he is "mediocre" because he had to pick up the slack for an injured defense that lacked talent on every level.

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[quote=gibbsisgod;270434]I don't understand how anybody can think Portis is expendable now that Betts had 1 good year. Every good team that Gibbs has ever had, he used 2 backs. I don't remember The early days with Riggins, but in 87 it was Bryant, Rogers,and Smith. In 91 it was Byner and Ervins. Why does everybody think that Portis and Betts Cant coexist.

This is a strength on our team. But it would become a weakness (depth) if we let one of them get away.[/quote]

Just an FYI the other back was Joe Washington....

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[quote=TAFKAS;270467]Um...ok[/quote]

Yeah we really need help in the negativity area.

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[QUOTE=CHIEF CHUCKING MY SPEAR;270461]Shoot trade everyone that we can, were not winning with any of these overpaid bums. I would rather lose with young inexpensive talent than over priced over the hill bums. Always being over the cap and having our butts kicked year and year out. We have stunk for the 12 of the last 14 yrs im sick of it.[/QUOTE]

Its hard not to agree with this because what the redskins have been doing since Dan Snyder took over is not working. The player signings are bad and the draft is almost non-existant. I'd love to see the Redskins completely revamp the way they do business into more of the Steelers, Pats mold.

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[QUOTE=Mattyk72;270500]Yeah we really need help in the negativity area.[/QUOTE]

How ironic that right after you post that, Irish posts something.....

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[quote=CHIEF CHUCKING MY SPEAR;270461]Shoot trade everyone that we can, were not winning with any of these overpaid bums. I would rather lose with young inexpensive talent than over priced over the hill bums. Always being over the cap and having our butts kicked year and year out. We have stunk for the 12 of the last 14 yrs im sick of it.[/quote]

You'd rather lose with young inexpensive talent? Why? What do you care how much the Redskins spend? As long as they're within the NFL guidlines I really don't care how much they spend. I do however care about the team's performance. If mistakes were made in player or coach evalulations then they need to be addressed. I for one would be extremely disappointed if the Skins traded Portis and kept Ladell "I can't hold on to the ball when it counts" Betts.

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do you guys realize how many football fans wished their teams owner would spend money? snyder isnt a football man, but i dont think anyone would argue he is trying to do what it takes to win

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[quote=gibbsisgod;270434]I don't understand how anybody can think Portis is expendable now that Betts had 1 good year. Every good team that Gibbs has ever had, he used 2 backs. I don't remember The early days with Riggins, but in 87 it was Bryant, Rogers,and Smith. In 91 it was Byner and Ervins. Why does everybody think that Portis and Betts Cant coexist.

This is a strength on our team. But it would become a weakness (depth) if we let one of them get away.[/quote]

Seriously, I couldn't agree more. It's just stupid to think we would get rid of Portis....

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[quote=dmek25;270576]do you guys realize how many football fans wished their teams owner would spend money? snyder isnt a football man, but i dont think anyone would argue he is trying to do what it takes to win[/quote]Snyder is 100X better than Jeffrie Lurie. That said, I'm not sure theres anything the Eagles could really do to better their team. They are so strong throughout that roster, it's very impressive.

Full disclosure (3/19/06): [URL]http://www.thewarpath.net/redskins-locker-room/11682-me-do-eagles-have-no-talent.html[/URL]

If your personel guys know what they are doing, your owner doesn't need to spend a bunch of cash.

NOTE TO THOSE WHO THINK A TEAM CAN'T HAVE A HEAD COACH/GM: The personel guy of the Iggles is Andy Reid.

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[QUOTE=GTripp0012;270582]Snyder is 100X better than Jeffrie Lurie. That said, I'm not sure theres anything the Eagles could really do to better their team. They are so strong throughout that roster, it's very impressive.

Full disclosure (3/19/06): [URL]http://www.thewarpath.net/redskins-locker-room/11682-me-do-eagles-have-no-talent.html[/URL]

If your personel guys know what they are doing, your owner doesn't need to spend a bunch of cash.

NOTE TO THOSE WHO THINK A TEAM CAN'T HAVE A HEAD COACH/GM: The personel guy of the Iggles is Andy Reid.[/QUOTE]

Its obvious that the redskins personell guy does not know what he's doing.

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[QUOTE=irish;270646]Its obvious that the redskins personell guy does not know what he's doing.[/QUOTE]

Clearly because we don't have any good players at all.

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[quote=Longtimefan;270451]I'm still trying to figure out how/where the trade Portis rumor got started. I haven't heard anyone in the Redskins organization mention anything about trading him. They may try to intice him to rework his contract for cap reasons, but trading him is unlikely.

They're going to need his effort, because gone are the days when teams can rely soley on one back to carry the load through a sixteen game season.[/quote]

I can tell you. The media sees Portis go down, Betts steps in and has a great season. The Skins are a team that's known as being a mover and a shaker, so they put two and two together and there's the stupid Portis is being traded rumor.

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i would really hate it to see randy moss as a redskin,i do'nt care if they could get him for a sixth round pick,his bullshit and work ethic would do nothing but hurt the redskins in the end!that goes for his ass buddy jerry porter too!

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I care about losing with young inexpensive talent because you can alway inprove by drafting well and making moves. With old expensive talent you have and no draft picks like we do now, you dont have as much flexability to fix your team to compete. With old expensive you have to restructure contracts all the time or cut players. We will never win that way. The proof is our lousy records since 99. Boy its amazing how people forget Portis fumbling all the time his first season here. Opening the second half against the browns a couple time against the giants etc. Every back fumbles. Betts did a hell of a job.

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Can someone explain to me how one determines that Danny Boy Snyder is 100X better than Jeffrie Lurie? Frankly, neither of them is any kind of role model that I'd want for either of my kids. But tell me why Snyder is so much superior.

It can't be on the basis of "on-field results". Snyder took over a team that was a playoff team and basically led it into "high draft pick terrirtory". Lurie had a team in 1998/99 that had the worst record in the league. The only reason they got to take Donovan McNabb with the #2 overall pick is that Cleveland came into the league and was granted the #1 overall pick - which they used to take Tim "Ouch" Couch. From that time until now, the Eagles have 5 NFC East titles and the Redskins have - - how many would that be?

Lurie is no genius, but why is Snyder so much better?

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[quote=sportscurmudgeon;270960]Can someone explain to me how one determines that Danny Boy Snyder is 100X better than Jeffrie Lurie? Frankly, neither of them is any kind of role model that I'd want for either of my kids. But tell me why Snyder is so much superior.

It can't be on the basis of "on-field results". Snyder took over a team that was a playoff team and basically led it into "high draft pick terrirtory". Lurie had a team in 1998/99 that had the worst record in the league. The only reason they got to take Donovan McNabb with the #2 overall pick is that Cleveland came into the league and was granted the #1 overall pick - which they used to take Tim "Ouch" Couch. From that time until now, the Eagles have 5 NFC East titles and the Redskins have - - how many would that be?

Lurie is no genius, but why is Snyder so much better?[/quote]
Anyone who thinks that Snyder has been better for the Skins than Lurie has been for Philly is an idiot. The Eagles have had a plan from Day 1 when Lurie brought in Reid. They build through the draft, leave enough cap space to re-sign their core guys [B]in-season[/B], thus making even those long-term deals extremely cap friendly. In short, they are a very stable organization, with far less turnover than the Skins. I remember Gibbs calling both Smoot and Pierce two of his core guys during the '04 season, and how did that end up? The Philly philosophy would have left ample cap space to sign both at a discount before allowing them to sniff free agency. I wouldn't be surprised to see Dockery get a sizable offer and depart once the FA market opens.

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Sport you have it right. Snyder is a joke as owner. He great at spending money that true but as far as running a successful team little danny is a joke. Little Danny is a great businessman but as a owner he killing my team with his horrible ownership. You would think Little Danny would look at how the other championships teams are winning and how their run and chose to do the same. But no he has his great way of overpaying other teams junk and letting his own players leave, and worst of all trading away picks after picks away like they dont mean a thing. Thats why i fear the skins future is bleak unless Little Danny changes course and gets a real Gm and not have himself or Gibbs or the chump Vinny in charge.

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portis isn't going ne where.

hey i noticed the posts r bak

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[quote=SouperMeister;270966]Anyone who thinks that Snyder has been better for the Skins than Lurie has been for Philly is an idiot. The Eagles have had a plan from Day 1 when Lurie brought in Reid. They build through the draft, leave enough cap space to re-sign their core guys [B]in-season[/B], thus making even those long-term deals extremely cap friendly. In short, they are a very stable organization, with far less turnover than the Skins. I remember Gibbs calling both Smoot and Pierce two of his core guys during the '04 season, and how did that end up? The Philly philosophy would have left ample cap space to sign both at a discount before allowing them to sniff free agency. I wouldn't be surprised to see Dockery get a sizable offer and depart once the FA market opens.[/quote]


Wow, did you hit the nail on the head buddy.

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Chief, I feel your pain.

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Clinton Portis is the best football player we have. He was injured the entire time he played last season. He will be back up over 1500 this season.

And, I would point out that Jeffrey Lurie has exactly the same number of Super Bowl wins as Snyder. Almost doesn't count. People will remember their teams scornfully as they do the Vikings of 70s or the Bills of the 90s.