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Does anyone know for sure, and if you do can you provide evidence, as to whether or not the huge cussion our DBs, especially Rodgers, gave opposing receivers this year was a result of GW's scheme. Or, were they supposed to play closer, but did't because they were afraid of getting beat.
In addition, which do you think is worse? The fact that GW doesn't have enough confidence to let them play closer, or that they're scared to.

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cushion? it belive it was coaching

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It's the scheme, man. Not entirely, but quite a bit in my opinion. I know I've been particularly critical of Williams.

We just don't gamble with the pool of players we have and I think there is a direct correlation between that and our low turnover ratio. A guy like Asante Samuels...he jumps the ball, I get the feeling if ended up here, he would be a different player.

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after one of the games, Brian Mitchell asked GW about the cushion and GW said he would get rogers to play closer to the line.

That leads me to believe that it's the players choice. Also, When Jimoh had to play, He was always on the line of scrimmage.

The players know the speed of a WR better than the coaches, I think they should decide how far they should be off.

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I would love a real answer to this, w/some facts to back it up.
I wondered about this too. Rogers gave the most cushion. I never understood it, cause it allows the wr's to get into their route a full second or more.
On that big drop by TO, Rogers was 10 yrds. back but still got beat downfield.

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[quote=jamf;272753]after one of the games, Brian Mitchell asked GW about the cushion and GW said he would get rogers to play closer to the line.

That leads me to believe that it's the players choice. Also, When Jimoh had to play, He was always on the line of scrimmage.

The players know the speed of a WR better than the coaches, I think they should decide how far they should be off.[/quote]

speedy wr's or not, you take a second or 2 off your pass rush by not hitting them at the line.

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[QUOTE=freddyg12;272756]speedy wr's or not, you take a second or 2 off your pass rush by not hitting them at the line.[/QUOTE]

I agree, But we dont want rogers trying to jam Joey Galloway on the line without help uptop.

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I'm gonna fix the spelling on the thread title here

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Dont fix it, damn it....


a cussion is like a concussion but not as bad

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If coach Williams did not like the cushion Rogers was playing, told him to reduce it and he didn't then he could bench him. But he never did.
Which leads me to believe they played with a big cushion in man coverage because our pass rush was weak for most year and they were afraid to get beat deep. If you have a strong pass rush from your front four and they get to the QB in 4 to 5 seconds on most plays, your DB's will look better because they do not have cover a receiver as long. Plus it rattles Qb's.

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I believe it was revealed as part of the scheme. I'll look for the article. There is no way an self respecting player would do that unless told to. And no coach would allow it unless it was schemed.

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I thought cussion, did look kinda funny, lol

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Rogers said in an interview that it's the scheme.

With the problems in the secondary it's easy to see why GW would want to prevent against the big play. Our secondary got toasted all year but especially early in the season with Springs out and AA playing like ass.

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[quote=gabe1984;272744]Does anyone know for sure, and if you do can you provide evidence, as to whether or not the huge cussion our DBs, especially Rodgers, gave opposing receivers this year was a result of GW's scheme. Or, were they supposed to play closer, but did't because they were afraid of getting beat.
In addition, which do you think is worse? The fact that GW doesn't have enough confidence to let them play closer, or that they're scared to.[/quote]

it wasn't coaching. No coach tells his players to get beat over and over and over... Rogers sucks.

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[quote=hesscl34;272792]it wasn't coaching. No coach tells his players to get beat over and over and over... Rogers sucks.[/quote]


The question wasn't about why Rogers was getting beat....of course no coach would tell his player that?

Let's just see if there is a repeat of last year before we conclude that Rogers suck.

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[quote=12thMan;272797]The question wasn't about why Rogers was getting beat....of course no coach would tell his player that?

Let's just see if there is a repeat of last year before we conclude that Rogers suck.[/quote]

Sorry, no coach tells his players to sit and wait and put a huge cushion between himself and the guy he is defending... Rogers had cement in his shoes.

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[quote=hesscl34;272798]Sorry, no coach tells his players to sit and wait and put a huge cushion between himself and the guy he is defending... Rogers had cement in his shoes.[/quote]


Ummm....I think Rogers was doing exactly what they told him to do, which was give a cushion.

Now maybe Williams had him play that way because of lack of pass rush up front, I don't know.

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[quote=hesscl34;272798]Sorry, no coach tells his players to sit and wait and put a huge cushion between himself and the guy he is defending... Rogers had cement in his shoes.[/quote]


Sorry but no coach would put up with a player giving that big of a cushion.

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I think the answer depends on the WR's talents. For example, if a guy has trouble beating press coverage, the coaches are more inclined to use press coverage. If a guy (e.g. T.O.) can beat press coverage and is speedy, you are going to be 5-10 yards off the line. It also depends on whether the coaches are running a zone or man scheme. It also depends on whether the coaches are calling a blitz. In sum, I don't think that there is any one answer, it depends on a lot of factors.

However, I think it is fair to say that that the CBs weren't playing as much press coverage because we were getting beat for huge plays.

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[quote=12thMan;272801]Ummm....I think Rogers was doing exactly what they told him to do, which was give a cushion.

Now maybe Williams had him play that way because of lack of pass rush up front, I don't know.[/quote]

[COLOR=black]Is Rogers your brother or something? You are always defending him and he SUCKED last year. I don't care how talented you are, if you are can't catch the damn ball, tackle a guy, rush a guy, and when you do "try" you end up getting an interference call - YOU SUCK.[/COLOR]

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If Williams wanted Rogers to play close to the line of scrimmage and yet he still kept lining up 5-10 yards back how long do you really think he would have stayed in/started games?
I really think it was more a matter of scheme.

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[quote=hesscl34;272812][COLOR=black]Is Rogers your brother or something? You are always defending him and he SUCKED last year. I don't care how talented you are, if you are can't catch the damn ball, tackle a guy, rush a guy, and when you do "try" you end up getting an interference call - YOU SUCK.[/COLOR][/quote]

I don't think I'm defending him, per se. I just think he'll get better, or at least he should get better. I'm more critical of our defensive coaching staff than I am of any one player on are team though.

I don't think this staff has put this group of players in the best situations to succeed. That's what good coaches do; They make do with the talent they have. Our defense has been on a gradual slide since 2004.

I bet, and this is total conjecture on my part, if you put Rogers on a team like the Ravens, he'd be a beast!

Are we brothers? Yes, but I'm the good looking one:)

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[QUOTE=12thMan;272819] I don't think this staff has put this group of players in the best situations to succeed. That's what good coaches do; They make do with the talent they have. Our defense has been on a gradual slide since 2004. [/QUOTE]

I agree, but I also think our defense is not nearly as talented as we think it is. On the defensive line, Griffin is our only star and he's either getting doubled or is injured, or both. We plugged in guys at DT (e.g., Salave'a, Golston, and Daniels) who would be backups on other teams. At linebacker, Washington is the only star and teams simply ran away from him. How many teams would have started Warrick Holdman? In the secondary, Springs was out all season, Rogers is still learning the ropes and could be a bust, and who the hell is Vernon Fox?

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[quote=Sheriff Gonna Getcha;272822]I agree, but I also think our defense is not nearly as talented as we think it is. On the defensive line, Griffin is our only star and he's either getting doubled or is injured, or both. We plugged in guys at DT (e.g., Salave'a, Golston, and Daniels) who would be backups on other teams. At linebacker, Washington is the only star and teams simply ran away from him. How many teams would have started Warrick Holdman? In the secondary, Springs was out all season, Rogers is still learning the ropes and could be a bust, and who the hell is Vernon Fox?[/quote]

I no longer consider Griffin a star. In fact, if I had to absolutely pin our woes on one player, it would be Griffin. This is unfair, but he didn't even play well when he was healthy. For Sean Taylor to lead the team in tacklesk, by a wide margin, is unacceptable. I think Griff had some rediculous number, like 50 something tackles this year. Oh well.

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[QUOTE=12thMan;272828]I no longer consider Griffin a star. In fact, if I had to absolutely pin our woes on one player, it would be Griffin. This is unfair, but he didn't even play well when he was healthy. For Sean Taylor to lead the team in tacklesk, by a wide margin, is unacceptable. I think Griff had some rediculous number, like 50 something tackles this year. Oh well.[/QUOTE]

Wait, are you saying that 50 tackles for Griff is bad or good? Because 50 tackles for a DT is outstanding when you consider that he was injured all season long and was the only guy on the line drawing double teams. That stat seems to indicate he can still play. I don't think we've heard the last of Griffin, particularly if we get someone to play alongside him like Alan Branch.

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LOL it sure doesn't take long for people to jump off a players' bandwagon that's for sure.

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[quote=Sheriff Gonna Getcha;272830]Wait, are you saying that 50 tackles for Griff is bad or good? Because 50 tackles for a DT is outstanding, which seems to indicate he can still play. I don't think we've heard the last of Griffin, particularly if we get someone to play alongside him like Alan Branch.[/quote]

I hope Griff rebounds....no 50 tackles are good for most. But I think this past year was his least productive as a Skin.

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[QUOTE=12thMan;272835]I hope Griff rebounds....no 50 tackles are good for most. But I think this past year was his least productive as a Skin.[/QUOTE]

I certainly agree that last season was his least productive as a Skin, but I think he'll rebound if he isn't hurt throughout next season. I've seen enough of him to have faith he'll be fine next season - he's the least of our worries along the defensive line.

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NOBODY was good last year, not a single one. Let's give them a pass this time considering they've been in the top ten two seasons prior. Let's see how they fare THIS go round.

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lets not panic on rogers just yet, remember when champ bailey came in, he had alot of help in that secondary. i mean his opposite was darrell green and deion sanders..... its takes some longer to develop.

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Before you disparage Greg Williams any more you have to remember what a great coordinator he's been in this league. He had our defense in the top 10 two straight years and helped get the Titans to the Super Bowl in '99. Like everyone else on the team it was just a down year all around.