Norv Turner Era: Success or Failure?
 

Largely considered to be the leading candidate for the Dallas HC position, I wondered what the feeling was regarding Norville and his time in Washington. He was 7-6 the year he got fired (and had lost his last three games by 6 points)

Every Cowboys fan is watching Tape from the Aikman-Smith-irvin glory days and booking SB trips next year.

I seem to remember Washington not being too sad to see Norv leave.

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I wasn't sad to see him leave. He brought us like one playoff trip in 6 years, and never produced up to expectations. I think he's better suited to being an offensive coordinator then a head coach.

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Failure.

Not a complete disaster but a failure IMO.

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[QUOTE=CrazyCanuck;273593]Failure.

Not a complete disaster but a failure IMO.[/QUOTE]

I second that.

"...booking superbowl trips..." haha.

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I tend to agree with CC. I think Norv is a solid coach, but in two coaching stints he hasn't really compiled anything of note. However, he was working for Al Davis and an inexperieced Dan Snyder.

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I think his stay here was about three years too long. Other coaches have failed and came back to prove they can be a head coach but I would not hang may hat on Norve. I like for everyone to succeed in life but not as a player or coach in our division.

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[QUOTE=12thMan;273595]I tend to agree with CC. I think Norv is a solid coach, but in two coaching stints he hasn't really compiled anything of note. However, he was working for Al Davis and an inexperieced Dan Snyder.[/QUOTE]

I agree,I think you can throw out the record in oakland,and turner is the only coach to get us to playoffs since gibbs first go round,if we would have had a decent fg kicker,we would have made the playoffs at least once more under norv,maybe twice.
I personally think norv has an undeserved reputation as sucking

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I think he did ok.

When he arrived, the team was at the very beginning of the rebuilding stages.
Then he had to deal with a bunch of bad draft picks, Desmond Howard, Shular, and Westbrook. If they had lived up to the hype...

The team had to rebuild the whole offensive line, The WR Corp and find a QB.
I truly believe that if Dan Turk makes a clean snap in the Buccs playoff game, We win the superbowl that year( 99). We would've played the Rams in the championship game, Green, Bailey and Dishman would've shut down Holt and Bruce. So So Close.

and his stint with the raiders, Well everyone is going to fail with Al Davis in charge.

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there are coaches in this league that are great co coordinators, and once they make the next step, for one reason or another, they fail. some men are meant to be head coaches, some aren't. i think turner is an above average offensive co coordinator. as a head coach, well.....

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and welcome back 5rings

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I always felt that Norv was a very cerebral coach. He has a great offensive scheme and he knows it very well but whenever he didn't have the right players he didn't adjust very well. He didn't seem adaptable, to me.

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[quote=724Skinsfan;273609]I always felt that Norv was a very cerebral coach. He has a great offensive scheme and he knows it very well but whenever he didn't have the right players he didn't adjust very well. He didn't seem adaptable, to me.[/quote]

Let's throw out his last year when he was canned with 3 games left to go. It's still hard to see how anyone could qualify one playoff trip in six years as a success.

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[quote=dmek25;273607]and welcome back 5rings[/quote]


Thanks.


Tell you the truth, I can't stand the Cowboys boards right now. No one is talking about the senior bowl/draft/Super Bowl.

it is all coaching all the time.

And I think that Coaching is the one area of Professional Football that the Fans know the least about. So much of what they do goes on behind the scenes.

And I don't care who you hire as the Defensive Coordinator it just doesn't put any sizzle into the off season for me.

Unless that guy is also going to play shutdown Free Safety....

I'm happy to be here where fans are talking about the Players for the most part.

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[B]724Skinsfan

[/B]you have the funniest signature I have seen here in a long while.

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What I would worry most about is how he'll handle people like TO especially with the new offensive coordinator they just hired to call the plays. Wasn't Norv typically the offensive mind?

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I remember thinking he sucked...but I was young. I also remember we always had a good offense and 0 defense. I hated Mike Nolan more than I hated Norv.

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[quote=5RINGS;273617][B]724Skinsfan[/B]

you have the funniest signature I have seen here in a long while.[/quote]

Thanks, that reminds me, I think I need to add to it.

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I would say his mediocricy set the stage for our decent over the last decade. Turner is a nice guy. I have met him and spoke with him many times. His son played in the little league I coached. There is no questioning his character. He is also a rather good OC. We consistently had decent to above average offense under him even with less talent. Hell he won games with Gus Frerotte. But even the standup players ran roughshod over him. He is a weak manager and does not command respect. TO might actually eat him alive. If the Tuna couldn't take the TO show then I think hiring Turner will be what can only be called an unmitigated disaster. He has shown TWICE that he cannot adequately do the job. I find myself wondering what the hell Jones is thinking. Maybe he will see the light and not make the hire but I hope he doesn't. :)

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Complete failure.

7 seasons, 1 playoff appearance, 49-59-1 record, any questions?

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In Norv's 7 years if we would have ever had a kicker we would have won 10 more games I bet and things would have turned out a little different for Norv. No question that he wasn't the best manager of people but he could run an offense.

We were in major rebuilding mode for a good bit of Norv's tenure here too. Due to bad drafting and FA's, it took awhile to win. Had Dan not blown up the team w/ the whole Jeff George debacle who knows??

So to say he was a complete failure is a bit much, as i would lay some blame around to others. JG's hasn't done much better in his second stint, so far.

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[quote=jamf;273604]I think he did ok.

When he arrived, the team was at the very beginning of the rebuilding stages.
Then he had to deal with a bunch of bad draft picks, Desmond Howard, Shular, and Westbrook. If they had lived up to the hype...

The team had to rebuild the whole offensive line, The WR Corp and find a QB.
I truly believe that if Dan Turk makes a clean snap in the Buccs playoff game, We win the superbowl that year( 99). We would've played the Rams in the championship game, Green, Bailey and Dishman would've shut down Holt and Bruce. So So Close.

and his stint with the raiders, Well everyone is going to fail with Al Davis in charge.[/quote]

Agree, but i just remember thinking that we'll never in a million years hit that FG. I can't remember who was our kicker, but i wasn't too confident.

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same here...I remember I couldn't even watch. It was Bret Conway I believe. He was practically standing on the logo when he was setting up. Even still, I thought we had set ourselves up pretty well for years to come. I don't blame Norv for what happened next year...that was all Snyder.

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Good to hear from you 5Rings (our resident classy Cowboys fan).

Unfortunately, I cannot utter "that coach's" name after the pain he put me through. I think that he is one of those guys that may be a good coordinator, but not the best HC. BTW, I don't count his track record in Oakland as he had nothing to work with beside as a--hole for an owner.

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[quote=jamf;273604]I think he did ok.

When he arrived, the team was at the very beginning of the rebuilding stages.
Then he had to deal with a bunch of bad draft picks, Desmond Howard, Shular, and Westbrook. If they had lived up to the hype...

The team had to rebuild the whole offensive line, The WR Corp and find a QB.
I truly believe that if Dan Turk makes a clean snap in the Buccs playoff game, We win the superbowl that year( 99). We would've played the Rams in the championship game, Green, Bailey and Dishman would've shut down Holt and Bruce. So So Close.

and his stint with the raiders, Well everyone is going to fail with Al Davis in charge.[/quote]

Norv had a lot of say in a couple of those picks, namely Shuler & Westbrook. I think he screwed up both.
I remember hoping we draft Sapp & we took Westbrook. Norv decided to go w/Frerotte instead of Shuler & I know that Gus is still playing, but Shuler was playing just as well at the time. I thought Norv gave up on him too soon.
Norv has probably not recieved enough grief for being partially responsible for Art Monk's departure. Monk was ready to sign the Skin's offer, but Norv said his roster spot was already gone.
In all fairness, he put together some decent offenses here & it wasn't all his fault that some of those teams sucked. But if it weren't for the timing of JKC's death, Norv would've been fired after the awful 98 season.

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I have to piggy back with TMC.
I like Norv, but he appeared to have chronic discipline problems, and the team was to often sloppy. The rumor around Redskin park was lack of discipline as well, control problems. TO and his kind will give him a bad time. I don't envy him. I wish him luck (but not as much as the SKINS)

Welcome back 5RINGS

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while we're on the topic of the Norv Era...what ever happened to Skip Hicks?

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[quote=AlvinWalton'sNeckBrace;273629]while we're on the topic of the Norv Era...what ever happened to Skip Hicks?[/quote]

I think played with the Titans for a few years.

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[quote=freddyg12;273627]Norv had a lot of say in a couple of those picks, namely Shuler & Westbrook. I think he screwed up both.
I remember hoping we draft Sapp & we took Westbrook. Norv decided to go w/Frerotte instead of Shuler & I know that Gus is still playing, but Shuler was playing just as well at the time. I thought Norv gave up on him too soon.
Norv has probably not recieved enough grief for being partially responsible for Art Monk's departure. Monk was ready to sign the Skin's offer, but Norv said his roster spot was already gone.
In all fairness, he put together some decent offenses here & it wasn't all his fault that some of those teams sucked. But if it weren't for the timing of JKC's death, Norv would've been fired after the awful 98 season.[/quote]

There were alot of "experts" who thought alot of Shuler coming out of college. It was Shuler and Dilfer.

I was sad to see Monk in a Jets uni, but it was probably time for him to hang it up. Its rare to see a player play for one team his entire career (Emmitt Smith, Jerry Rice, etc.).

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I just remember the Redskins' offense being very predictable and vanilla during the Norval years. I know he's known as a great offensive mind, but hell I would be considered a genious too if I had Aikman, Smith and Irvin.

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[quote=Manusky91;273639]I just remember the Redskins' offense being very predictable and vanilla during the Norval years. I know he's known as a great offensive mind, but hell I would be considered a genious too if I had Aikman, Smith and Irvin.[/quote]

exactly.

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Skip Hicks !!!

UCLA!!

I haven't heard about him in ages.....

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[QUOTE=Manusky91;273639]I just remember the Redskins' offense being very predictable and vanilla during the Norval years. I know he's known as a great offensive mind, but hell I would be considered a genious too if I had Aikman, Smith and Irvin.[/QUOTE]

Hey, did you know your namesake might be the next defensive coordinator of the Niners? I'm talking about former Redskins LB Greg Manusky for those that don't know.

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[quote=5RINGS;273615]Thanks.


Tell you the truth, I can't stand the Cowboys boards right now. No one is talking about the senior bowl/draft/Super Bowl.

it is all coaching all the time.

And I think that Coaching is the one area of Professional Football that the Fans know the least about. So much of what they do goes on behind the scenes.

And I don't care who you hire as the Defensive Coordinator it just doesn't put any sizzle into the off season for me.

Unless that guy is also going to play shutdown Free Safety....

I'm happy to be here where fans are talking about the Players for the most part.[/quote]

Any way we can turn you against the evil empire that is the Dallas Cowboys? We'd love you to have you cheering for the burgandy and gold! Plus we've won more playoff games than the Cowboys have in the last ten years!

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[quote=AlvinWalton'sNeckBrace;273619]I remember thinking he sucked...but I was young. I also remember we always had a good offense and 0 defense. I hated Mike Nolan more than I hated Norv.[/quote]

That second sentence you wrote sounds awfully familiar. Seems like there was a team this year that was very similiar.

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[quote=ncskinsfanec;273648]Any way we can turn you against the evil empire that is the Dallas Cowboys? We'd love you to have you cheering for the burgandy and gold! Plus we've won more playoff games than the Cowboys have in the last ten years![/quote]


Funny, Someone wrote that last year, 'come over from the evil empire'.

My reply was that you guys would not respect me if I switched teams.


The reply???







We don't respect you now!!!


It was funny at the time.

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The thing that really killed me about norv was that if it was 3rd and 10 he would call a 7 yard pass play.If it was 3rd and 7 he would call a 5 yard pass.I felt like he had no balls and that just drove me nuts.

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[quote=5RINGS;273591]Largely considered to be the leading candidate for the Dallas HC position, I wondered what the feeling was regarding Norville and his time in Washington. He was 7-6 the year he got fired (and had lost his last three games by 6 points)

Every Cowboys fan is watching Tape from the Aikman-Smith-irvin glory days and booking SB trips next year.

I seem to remember Washington not being too sad to see Norv leave.[/quote]

Why would Cowboy fans be so happy about Norv? He's not HC material. I think everyone around the NFL knows that. A HC needs to be a leader and Norv is no leader. Nice play caller and OC but that's it. The problem is Jerry wants to bring in someone he can push around. Why else is he bringing in guys like Norv and Jason Garrett? Do you honestly think Norv or Garrett could handle TO? Norv couldn't even handle Michael Westbrook. And Garrett, WTF has he done??????????????? If Jerry was serious about winning he would hire Mike Singletary cause that guy commands respect right when he walks in the door. Plus he can coach his ass off. I once saw a piece on NFL films where he got right in Ray Lewis' face after a bad play. This was when he was coaching in Balt. And Ray Lewis sat there and listened to him and said "yes sir." Not too many guys in the NFL command that type of respect. Brian Billick can't even do that to Ray Lewis. But it won't happen because there is no way Jerry's gonna push around Singletary.

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I feel confident that any stench from his tour with the Raiders should be completely overlooked. If they do hire Norv as head coach (and it looks that way), I think that it will be to mentor Jason Garrett as offensive coordinator. I think Jerry Jones is taking his defense for granted, and wants to fix himself offensively.

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Failure. I'll give him 2000, becuase I'm putting that year on Danny. He had a good team in 1999, had Danny not bought the team could he have taken it somewhere? Who knows.

IMO, that 99' team was good enough to win the Super Bowl, and if it wasent for the collapse in Tampa, I think they very well might have.

Overall though, numbers dont lie, its a failure. I'm interested to see how many coaches started 7-1 and missed the playoffs.

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It was a complete and utter failure in every sense of the word. Anyone who thinks it wasn't has mellowed over the time since it passed. How many years did he have 6 or 7 and he still could not build a contender? Most teams give a coach 3 years now to get it done. He is a bad head coach...good asisstant but bad head coach.