F... the HOF voters!!!!
 

Is there any way to see who voted for who?

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You know, it doesn't matter. And somehow, this is suppose to absolve Peter King from all his years of horendous voting.

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[quote=12thMan;274664]You know, it doesn't matter. And somehow, this is suppose to absolve Peter King from all his years of horendous voting.[/quote]


So much for that! King will never be absolved after this BS cuz I dont care what anybody says, he wanted Irivin in first so he could shit on us. Screw Peter King.

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The HOF just lost all creditibility for letting Irvin in before Monk. Drugs and loud mouths before Role Model and Humble ways. All Redskin fans should boycott the Hall of Shame.

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LOL @ Hall of Shame....HOF officially renamed Hall of Shame.....pwnt.

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i would really like to here the reasoning behind Irvin over Monk. they were alot alike in their games. and Monks stats are miles ahead of Irvin's

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[quote=dmek25;274774]i would really like to here the reasoning behind Irvin over Monk. they were alot alike in their games. [B]and Monks stats are miles ahead of Irvin's[/B][/quote]


hell yeah...and like you said in another thread, wtf memorable catches does Irvin have? All depends on who you ask in Monk and Irvins case.....

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I just posted this in another thread.
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[COLOR="Red"]Mark Schlereth (sp) (former Skin) just totally ripped the voters on ESPN for not voting Art Monk in. He said he was personally dumbfounded and called the 39 voters "clowns".

He was so livid, he referred to Monk as James Arthur Monk,...hillarious! He said no wide receiver deserves to be in the Hall before Monk, Irvin included. I was suprised that he called out Irvin like that.[/COLOR]

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Schlereth played along side of Monk. It doesn't surprise me at all he would go out on a "limb" and make this kind of statement. I would suspect we will see Joey T with a comment or two in the coming days as well.

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Absolutely ridiculous. At the same time, you got to wonder whether Monk deserves to be in a Hall of Fame run by clowns who voted Irvin in first. Monk's better than that - he deserves to be in a legitimate Hall of Fame, not this joke masquerading as an honor.

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[quote=dmek25;274774]i would really like to here the reasoning behind Irvin over Monk. they were alot alike in their games. and Monks stats are miles ahead of Irvin's[/quote]

I think Irvin should be there, he just shouldn't have gotten in ahead of Monk. But the voters are looking at postseason too and that's where the difference lies.

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[SIZE=7]I am ****ing OUTRAGED. [/SIZE]
[SIZE=4]Wearing my new Monk Jersey in protest all day. [/SIZE]

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[quote=12thMan;274791]I just posted this in another thread.
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[COLOR=red]Mark Schlereth (sp) (former Skin) just totally ripped the voters on ESPN for not voting Art Monk in. He said he was personally dumbfounded and called the 39 voters "clowns".[/COLOR]

[COLOR=red]He was so livid, he referred to Monk as James Arthur Monk,...hillarious! He said no wide receiver deserves to be in the Hall before Monk, Irvin included. I was suprised that he called out Irvin like that.[/COLOR][/quote]

I saw it too. He called the voters a bunch of clowns which they are. You could really tell how mad Schlereth was. I don't think he called out Irvin becasue he said that he deserved to be there. He just believes, like the rest of us, that Monk should have gotten in before Irvin.

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[quote=skinsfan69;274805]I think Irvin should be there, he just shouldn't have gotten in ahead of Monk. But the voters are looking at postseason too and that's where the difference lies.[/quote]
does anyone have their career post season stats to compare? i cant believe there is that much difference. and i know monk was injured one year, and another missed the majority of another

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WE could go to Canton and yell Monk got screwed during Irvin's induction.

Edit: but that would be really classless...wouldnt want to snoop to Philly's level.

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It's an absolute travesty that Monk has not been elected to the Hall of Fame before now. It's even more of an insult that Michael Irvin, of all people, gets in before he does. Monk was a better player on the field and has ten times more character than Irvin will ever have! I'd take the "Quiet Man" anyday before the so-called "playmaker!"

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[quote=skinsfan69;274805]I think Irvin should be there, he just shouldn't have gotten in ahead of Monk. But the voters are looking at postseason too and that's where the difference lies.[/quote]

Looking at the postseason? What on earth are you talking about? Monk was just as good as Irvin was in the postseason.

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[quote=dmek25;274826]does anyone have their career post season stats to compare? i cant believe there is that much difference. and i know monk was injured one year, and another missed the majority of another[/quote]

Monk had 69 postseason catches and Irvin had 87, really not that huge of a disparity if you ask me. Also he had seven td catches to Irvin's eight.

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[QUOTE=skinsfan69;274805]I think Irvin should be there, he just shouldn't have gotten in ahead of Monk. [B]But the voters are looking at postseason too and that's where the difference lies[/B].[/QUOTE]

Pro Bowl appearances have alot to do with it to.

Monk 85, 86, 87: 3 Pro Bowls

Irvin 91, 92, 93, 94, 95: 5 Pro Bowls

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Every one of them that voted Captain Crackpipe in over Monk shouldn't be allowed to write about football ever again. They obviously have no knowledge on the subject.

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[QUOTE=Warpath;274848]Pro Bowl appearances have alot to do with it to.

Monk 85, 86, 87: 3 Pro Bowls

Irvin 91, 92, 93, 94, 95: 5 Pro Bowls[/QUOTE]

well sure. Monk was at the end of his career. If both had been playing in their prime at the same time, Monk would have gone to more pro bowls. There was a lack of quality receivers when Irvin was going to pro bowls.

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Pro Bowls aren't all of it...Riggins only went to 1...its just that guys like Riggins have signature plays (70 chip). Its still the most asinine explanation ever though, and if that's the deciding factor, why don't they call it the hall of plays?

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Isn't he on the "All Decade Team" as well???? I'd like to see how many people on an all decade team aren't in the hall of fame

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I dont get the whole 'defining catch' bullsh*t excuse. I can't name one defining catch from just about any reciever. Good WRs have LOTS OF GOOD CATCHES. Monk was no different. And just because he wasn't a media whore ass-clown doesn't mean that he wasn't a brilliant WR. The only reason one remembers signature plays is because the player plays to the hype enough to make it huge. It is perhaps the most ridiculous reasoning behind anything I have heard.

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Did anyone read the Dr. Z article and notice anything weird...when he was talking about cornerbacks...he never mentioned DARRELL GREEN...in my mind, one of the greatest cornerback to play the game...I wonder if he's setting up a future snub...this guy clearly hates the skins

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[quote=AlvinWalton'sNeckBrace;274877]Did anyone read the Dr. Z article and notice anything weird...when he was talking about cornerbacks...he never mentioned DARRELL GREEN...in my mind, one of the greatest cornerback to play the game...I wonder if he's setting up a future snub...this guy clearly hates the skins[/quote]

Him and Peter King both.

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Ole petey supposedly jumped on the Monk bandwagon this year.

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[quote=FRPLG;274882]Ole petey supposedly jumped on the Monk bandwagon this year.[/quote]

Oh really? That's good. I just know King has wrote some things I deem unflattering about the Skins and Joe Gibbs in the past. That said, I do enjoy his Monday morning columns.

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Monk not in before Irvin?

F*CKIN' RIDICULOUS!!!

WTF!?!?!?!?!

Irvin is a gun-HOE slappin cocaine enhancin' type of guy. Who had Aikman, #22 and lotsa great players helping him. Art Monk didn't use cocaine and retired with the most catches in a season EVER!

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[quote=FRPLG;274876]I dont get the whole 'defining catch' bullsh*t excuse. I can't name one defining catch from just about any reciever. Good WRs have LOTS OF GOOD CATCHES. Monk was no different. And just because he wasn't a media whore ass-clown doesn't mean that he wasn't a brilliant WR. The only reason one remembers signature plays is because the player plays to the hype enough to make it huge. It is perhaps the most ridiculous reasoning behind anything I have heard.[/quote]


If it takes a signature catch to get voted into the hall of fame, then they are not looking at the individuals body of work as a player. Sports writers have way too much say in who is voted in or not. Former players and actual Hall of Fame members should have some say in who gets in. To say Monk doesn't have what it takes is an injustice to the members in the Hall of fame. He was the leading receiver in NFL history when he retired, let the league in receptions multiple years, single season receptions leader, still 6th all time in receptions. He was nothing but class. Crackpipe willie gets in on his 3rd attempt?? That is a shame to everyone in the hall of fame. How people can leave that room knowing the travisty of not having Monk in the Hall, is beyond me. Totally discrediting to those who votes against him.

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speechless is all i can really say ..

i,m soo pissed stinkie is right they are a bunch of classless clowns...

voting for the HOF is so easy even a caveman could do it..
a total disgrace..

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I was a little surprised Tagliabue didn't get in either actually

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[quote=dmek25;274774]i would really like to here the reasoning behind Irvin over Monk. they were alot alike in their games. and Monks stats are miles ahead of Irvin's[/quote]

His stats AND his reputation...

This is a sick joke. :angry-smi

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[quote=FRPLG;274876]I dont get the whole 'defining catch' bullsh*t excuse. I can't name one defining catch from just about any reciever. Good WRs have LOTS OF GOOD CATCHES. Monk was no different. And just because he wasn't a media whore ass-clown doesn't mean that he wasn't a brilliant WR. The only reason one remembers signature plays is because the player plays to the hype enough to make it huge. It is perhaps the most ridiculous reasoning behind anything I have heard.[/quote]

Exactly...Lynn Swann and John Taylor (not HOF-worthy) are the only "defining catch" WRs I could think of. Dwight Clark at TE.

This is a lame excuse for denying a worthy player to the Hall in favor of a drug-addict piece of trash. This isn't even my Redskins/Cowboys bias kicking in, it's just a simple fact that someone like Irvin should NOT be representing the NFL's greatest players.

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Irvin deserves to be in the HOF, but Monk deserves it just as much if not more. MI is a HOF. Everyone is just p***** that Monk didn't get in & he did. Irvin still pushed off alot and never got called. Pretty ridiculous though. If no defining catch is there obstacle, then did Steve Largent have a defining catch? I can't think of any and he deserves to be in.

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[quote=TAFKAS;274966]I was a little surprised Tagliabue didn't get in either actually[/quote]

Tagliabue is a DC guy. He went to Georgetown and was a Redskins season ticket holder before he became comissioner. Say no more.

Tagliabue was a great comissioner. He had the rare ability to realize things were fine and to not eff with them. Goodell worries me to the extent that he seems to have the need to put his stamp on things. People can make a difference but they usually shouldn't.

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Class and character obviously don't count in getting in. On the other hand a lack of character and drug busts and other lack of class attributes seem to go over big with the voters.
Art, you were robbed once again. If they ever come knocking....you should quietly and politely turn them down. You have too much class to be shoulder to shoulder with the likes of the so called deserving.

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I strongly disagree with the values these HOF voters hold. In my book Art Monk deserves better, much better.

However, the fact that Art Monk has not spoken/written negatively about this HOF process (publically) speaks volumes for his maturity and his continued presence as a positive role model. Art Monk remains a class act!

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Players and coaches need to vote and not sports writers.

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W.C.Fields once wrote that he didn't want to belong to any society that would accept (someone like) him as a member. Perhaps this is what Monk should feel about the Hall of Shame.

While a lot of people are saying they have lost all respect for the place, I know that people will go there if Monk gets in. So I have a question.
How many people go to the induction ceremony? If there aren't too many it might be possible to flood the place with fans with wearing Monk jerseys. There would be no reason to "Irvin" (disrupt) the ceremony. It's a pacific way of making a very strong comment.

As far as stats go, Monk was far superior to Irvin. (I believe) Monk got his record (106) before our other good wideouts came on board. After that he lost a lot of touches to Clark (and Sanders.) In addition, he lost touches because he didn't lobby the coaches for the ball. Irvin got similar per-year stats as the Cowboys' "go-to" receiver.

The last time I checked, football was a team sport. The best player should therefore by judged in the context of how they contributed to the team. Monk sacrificed the good of the individual (by not lobbying for the ball and not complaining about how he was used) for the good of the team, costing him yardage, catches, TDs, and Pro-Bowl selections, while still maintaining career averages in the same range as Irvin. I must conclude from the HOSh voting that football is no longer a team sport.