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Let's fire things up, shall we?

Apparently unaware that the Redskins had no 2nd, 3rd, and 4th round draft choices in a conversation with Mel Kiper on Colin Cowherd's radio show today, Colin proceeded on a 4 minute rant ripping the Skins front office as "poorly run", and "Raider-esque" while noting that smart use of the draft is vital for success in today's NFL.

"The Cowboys, Eagles and Giants have to be chuckling at the Redskins"

"Al Davis called; he's embarrassed for the Redskins".

"The Eagles, Patriots and Colts are the model of success by building through the draft -- the Redskins are the opposite! They're outdated; they're a rotary phone."

"PATHETIC. BRUTAL. You can't run a business that way!"

"That's an old team with a locker room full of overpriced free agents, and no 2nd, 3rd or 4th round picks?? Those are starter quality players on successful teams."

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The problem is, Cowherd was spot-on.

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The only way Cowherd is spot on about anything is luck. While I generally find him entertaining, he is incredibly biased and knows jack shit about the NFL, or College for that matter. That's why he continually picks the losing team in most of big games. By the way...........he's not correct. Regarding football knowledge, he couldn't hit his own ass with both hands. Have a nice day

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Like I've said in a couple of threads, we did finish the season 12 starters that were drafted as Redskins. How many teams can lay hold to that claim?

Not many.

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[QUOTE=12thMan;275481]Like I've said in a couple of threads, we did finish the season 12 starters that were drafted as Redskins. How many teams can lay hold to that claim?

Not many.[/QUOTE]

What 12? I count Cooley, Jansen, Samuels, Dockery, Betts, Campbell, Golston, McIntosh, Rogers, and Taylor (10). There was an article last offseason about our draft record (and how many became starters) as compared with other NFC East teams and we were in dead last.

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[QUOTE=12thMan;275481]Like I've said in a couple of threads, we did finish the season 12 starters that were drafted as Redskins. How many teams can lay hold to that claim?

Not many.[/QUOTE]


Is that supposed to be good or bad? I don't get your point?

The only measure that matters is win/loss. I don't care if we get our players from the waiver wire. Just win baby.

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Cowherd is on ESPN radio for some reason, and I doubt it is just to take space. He brings valid points to the table. We do crap on the draft, some if not most of the FA signings have been questionable. Colts, Eagles, New England, who might I remind you, are in the playoffs almost every single year, do build their teams through the draft. The develop the chemistry of playing with the same person for a number of years. I am glad to see our O line will have that, but the rest of the team doesn't. There is always a new face or new number at some key position every year. That may change this year, but doubt it. There are reasons some of the teams are consistantly good, and a reason we have been consistantly bad. And going to the playoffs once in 7 years doesn't mean a thing. Going 3 or 4 years in a row means something. Some people have got to take off those burgandy shades and look around. Until we get some football people in charge of football decisions, this is what we will deal with. We may get lucky and make the playoffs, but in two years, we will be back at square one. Getting the NEW players to play well with others. If we would have stood pat after last season, we could have competed with anyone. that goes for adding players, AND coaches. You go 10-6, figure out who you are, then remake everything? that makes no sense.

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[quote=Sheriff Gonna Getcha;275482]What 12? I count Cooley, Jansen, Samuels, Dockery, Betts, Campbell, Golston, McIntosh, Rogers, and Taylor (10). There was an article last offseason about our draft record (and how many became starters) as compared with other NFC East teams and we were in dead last.[/quote]


I threw Sellers and Marshall in there too. :)

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[quote=Defensewins;275483]Is that supposed to be good or bad? I don't get your point?

The only measure that matters is win/loss. I don't care if we get our players from the waiver wire. Just win baby.[/quote]

My only point is that we have more draftees starting and playing than most in the media would lead to believe.

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[QUOTE=12thMan;275481]Like I've said in a couple of threads, we did finish the season 12 starters that were drafted as Redskins. How many teams can lay hold to that claim?

Not many.[/QUOTE]

Well, like someone else said, what good are those starters when they finish 5-11?

And that's the fickle we're in -- either we have a sparse draft selection, or we tend to screw up the draft picks we do have. People will always point to Chris Cooley. He's a good player, might even be a great player someday. Problem is, he was a 2 for 1 deal. Losing a 2nd rounder for Rocky McIntosh? As far as we know, that wasn't a smart deal. If he suddenly turns it around and becomes the next Antonio Pierce, fine. But can we say with any certainty that's going to happen?

Ask yourself this: Are we headed in the right direction? Do you believe our strategy for acquiring players has worked?

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[QUOTE=#56fanatic;275484]Cowherd is on ESPN radio for some reason, and I doubt it is just to take space. He brings valid points to the table. We do crap on the draft, some if not most of the FA signings have been questionable. Colts, Eagles, New England, who might I remind you, are in the playoffs almost every single year, do build their teams through the draft. The develop the chemistry of playing with the same person for a number of years. I am glad to see our O line will have that, but the rest of the team doesn't. There is always a new face or new number at some key position every year. That may change this year, but doubt it. There are reasons some of the teams are consistantly good, and a reason we have been consistantly bad. And going to the playoffs once in 7 years doesn't mean a thing. Going 3 or 4 years in a row means something. Some people have got to take off those burgandy shades and look around. Until we get some football people in charge of football decisions, this is what we will deal with. ....[/QUOTE]

Amen Brother!
I'm also tired of the renegotiating contracts game. I do not like this game of hide and seek with the cap. We were a below .500 team in 2006 and we are currently right at or over the salary cap. Not very good player or salary management skills.
Some are so in awe over Snyder and his cap skills. I frankly think it is not a very good example how to run a successful NFL team. The proof was on the field in 2006.

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[quote=Beemnseven;275488]Well, like someone else said, what good are those starters when they finish 5-11?

And that's the fickle we're in -- either we have a sparse draft selection, or we tend to screw up the draft picks we do have. People will always point to Chris Cooley. He's a good player, might even be a great player someday. Problem is, he was a 2 for 1 deal. Losing a 2nd rounder for Rocky McIntosh? As far as we know, that wasn't a smart deal. If he suddenly turns it around and becomes the next Antonio Pierce, fine. But can we say with any certainty that's going to happen?

Ask yourself this: Are we headed in the right direction? Do you believe our strategy for acquiring players has worked?[/quote]

Don't get me wrong, I agree with everything being said here.

My only is, the media tends to strike a tone that the Redskins have all FA starting on both sides of the ball.

The focus tends to be on that particular organizational failure, which is a legitimate one, but you rarely hear about the homegrown talent we do have.

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Same old, same old.

Sorry but for anyone who is sick of this current front office stategy the only thing I can recommend is to stop following the team, because with so little draft picks this year how else do you think they are going to approach this offseason? Get ready for more of the same.

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Exactly. If we haven't moved on at this point, we're in for a rude awakening this year.

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Are teams like the Browns, Cardinals, Texans, and Lions built mainly through free agency or the draft?
He's right about the teams that he sited: they are consistantly good and they do consistantly build their teams through the draft rather than free agency; but couldn't this be because they have a good front office and coaches? There are plenty of teams out there that try to build themselves up the "right way" that still blow year in and year out.

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Don't get me wrong I'm not backing the current front office philosophy, but it is what it is.

I can probably tell you what Gibbs and co. are thinking.

They're thinking look what happened in 2005... they've shown they can win and get to the playoffs with this current setup and personnel strategy. I'm sure they will look at last year and learn some valuable lessons, and they will look to replicate the same success they had from bringing in guys like Moss, Springs, Griffin, Washington, etc., rather than bombs like Arch and Lloyd.

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[QUOTE=12thMan;275490]Don't get me wrong, I agree with everything being said here.

My only is, the media tends to strike a tone that the Redskins have all FA starting on both sides of the ball.

The focus tends to be on that particular organizational failure, which is a legitimate one, but you rarely hear about the homegrown talent we do have.[/QUOTE]

On defense, the entire starting defensive line are not original Redskin draftees. Golston and Montgomery are back-ups. In fact, this organization hasn't drafted a defensive lineman that plays with any regularity since ... can anyone guess?

Linebackers -- Washington (drafted by the Colts) Holdman (not the Redskins)

Only Rogers and Sean Taylor have spent their entire careers only in D.C.

Offense is a little better with the line (minus Rabach and Thomas), Betts, Cooley and Campbell.

[B]And Matty, you're right [/B]-- we're stuck with this system until someone else takes over, or they're done giving up picks for RFAs.

Let's all hope that Gibbs & Co. are going to prove us wrong about acquiring players.

Who here thinks that will actually happen?

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[QUOTE=Mattyk72;275491]Same old, same old.

Sorry but for anyone who is sick of this current front office stategy the only thing I can recommend is to stop following the team, because with so little draft picks this year how else do you think they are going to approach this offseason? Get ready for more of the same.[/QUOTE]

How about showing restraint and patience? We are not going to magically become a Super Bowl team in one offseason, they need to stop trying to fix it all at once.
They could reside themselves to taking a few years and build off the draft. Sign a few cheaper FA and avoid the big name/big dollar FA signing.

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[QUOTE=Beemnseven;275495]In fact, this organization hasn't drafted a defensive lineman that plays with any regularity since ... can anyone guess?
[/QUOTE]

I'll answer my own question. And tell me honestly if you're not astounded by this...

[B]The last time the Redskins drafted a defensive lineman that turned out to be a starter was Rich Owens in the 5th round of 1995.[/B]

Not in 11 years until Golston and Montegomery did we draft another D-lineman that played with any consistency.

Am I missing something here? Is anyone here not stunned by this fact?

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[quote=Mattyk72;275491]Same old, same old.

Sorry but for anyone who is sick of this current front office stategy the only thing I can recommend is to stop following the team, because with so little draft picks this year how else do you think they are going to approach this offseason? Get ready for more of the same.[/quote]

being fans of our team gives us the right to complain or complement them on what they do. Jumping ship to another team.....come on are you serious. We all will root for our team year end and year out. unfortunately, we have been rooting for a losing team more than a winning team. All I think we are saying is until this trade picks for (fill in the blank) mentality stops or slows down, people will be frustraded. Not frustrated enough to jump ship, but frustrated to say the least. I live in NC, and I can tell you they have jumped ship to the Panthers down here (I can't stand the Panthers, they are #2 or #3 on my hate list) Most of the comments are they dont like Snyder (which I do like Snyder) or the way they run the team, blah..blah..blah.
I just have not seen a team win consistantly with our approach. If you know of one, please point them out. It hasn't worked in 7 or 8 years. I think that would send a message to the powers that be that they may need to change their strategy.

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[quote=Beemnseven;275495]On defense, the entire starting defensive line are not original Redskin draftees. Golston and Montgomery are back-ups. In fact, this organization hasn't drafted a defensive lineman that plays with any regularity since ... can anyone guess?

Linebackers -- Washington (drafted by the Colts) Holdman (not the Redskins)

Only Rogers and Sean Taylor have spent their entire careers only in D.C.

Offense is a little better with the line (minus Rabach and Thomas), Betts, Cooley and Campbell.

[B]And Matty, you're right [/B]-- we're stuck with this system until someone else takes over, or they're done giving up picks for RFAs.

Let's all hope that Gibbs & Co. are going to prove us wrong about acquiring players.

Who here thinks that will actually happen?[/quote]

Golston starts. Like I said, Sellers...Marshall depending on how you look at it.

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[quote=ArtMonkDrillz;275493]Are teams like the Browns, Cardinals, Texans, and Lions built mainly through free agency or the draft?
He's right about the teams that he sited: they are consistantly good and they do consistantly build their teams through the draft rather than free agency; but couldn't this be because they have a good front office and coaches? There are plenty of teams out there that try to build themselves up the "right way" that still blow year in and year out.[/quote]


ding ding ding... I think a point that a ton of us have said time and time again. FRONT OFFICE!! we have none, or one with any football knowledge in terms of building from the ground up or building for a future.

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[QUOTE=Defensewins;275496]How about showing restraint and patience? We are not going to magically become a Super Bowl team in one offseason, they need to stop trying to fix it all at once.
They could reside themselves to taking a few years and build off the draft. Sign a few cheaper FA and avoid the big name/big dollar FA signing.[/QUOTE]

I agree with you. However, I don't think Gibbs wants to "rebuild". Unfortunately, that probably hurts us in the long run. :(

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[quote=#56fanatic;275502]ding ding ding... I think a point that a ton of us have said time and time again. FRONT OFFICE!! we have none, or one with any football knowledge in terms of building from the ground up or building for a future.[/quote]


56fan, you kill me with the ding!! ding!! bit! :)

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I'm just happy that I got dinged ;)

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[quote=ArtMonkDrillz;275505]I'm just happy that I got dinged ;)[/quote]


uhh...yeah!

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[QUOTE=Beemnseven;275497]I'll answer my own question. And tell me honestly if you're not astounded by this...

[B]The last time the Redskins drafted a defensive lineman that turned out to be a starter was Rich Owens in the 5th round of 1995.[/B]

Not in 11 years until Golston and Montegomery did we draft another D-lineman that played with any consistency.

Am I missing something here? Is anyone here not stunned by this fact?[/QUOTE]

What about Kenard Lang?

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The way I see it people just don't like Snyder because of his money and his preceived arrogence. If the Skins method of building a team worked people like Cowherd would probably just say that he's trying to buy a good team instead of building one.

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:bdh:

I have tired of this discussion.

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What does Barbaro have to do with this?

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[quote=ArtMonkDrillz;275511]What does Barbaro have to do with this?[/quote]


That's just cruel, dude:(

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[QUOTE=12thMan;275512]That's just cruel, dude:([/QUOTE]
What? Too soon?

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[quote=#56fanatic;275499]being fans of our team gives us the right to complain or complement them on what they do. Jumping ship to another team.....come on are you serious. We all will root for our team year end and year out. unfortunately, we have been rooting for a losing team more than a winning team. All I think we are saying is until this trade picks for (fill in the blank) mentality stops or slows down, people will be frustraded. Not frustrated enough to jump ship, but frustrated to say the least. I live in NC, and I can tell you they have jumped ship to the Panthers down here (I can't stand the Panthers, they are #2 or #3 on my hate list) Most of the comments are they dont like Snyder (which I do like Snyder) or the way they run the team, blah..blah..blah.
I just have not seen a team win consistantly with our approach. If you know of one, please point them out. It hasn't worked in 7 or 8 years. I think that would send a message to the powers that be that they may need to change their strategy.[/quote]

It ain't easy being an innovator. Be it right or be it wrong, because Joe2 hasn't gotten it totally right does not mean he won't or can't.
Going the same way as everybody else generally does not produce success. As somebody else pointed out earlier, there are a bunch of other teams that utilize the draft religiously, and generally suck. To suggest that the Colts, Pats, etc are successful primarily as a result of this philosophy is ridiculous.
I would much prefer to be led by a football genius than a merry-go-round coach (passed from team to team) that the NFL has so many of. Joe2 is that genius.
I personally have complete faith he can do it again. Because he has to date, not yet attained his and our goals is evidence of.................nothing

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I keep hearing the Redskins philosophy is not working???? Maybe its not working on the field, but let us not forget this is a business and The Washington Redskins are the most profitable NFL franchise. If this BUSINESS is about profitability, then Snyder has nailed it.

I know, if they continue to lose people will walk on. Guess what, they haven't had a winning streak but 2 times in the last 15 years and they continue to prove their business model attracts the almighty fans dollar!

I don't like the way things are going in the FO, but from a business perspective it is spot on and wish I owned a little piece!

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[QUOTE=Beemnseven;275488]People will always point to Chris Cooley. He's a good player, might even be a great player someday. Problem is, he was a 2 for 1 deal. Losing a 2nd rounder for Rocky McIntosh? As far as we know, that wasn't a smart deal. If he suddenly turns it around and becomes the next Antonio Pierce, fine. But can we say with any certainty that's going to happen?[/QUOTE]

There are no guarantees in the draft. Tell me the best team in the league at the draft, and I'll pick ten absolute busts they've had in the last five years. We can't say [B]with certainty[/B] that any rookie is going to be good.

Chris Cooley had an off year last year - like the whole team did. Still he managed to score more TDs than all but three Tight Ends in the league.

Everyone who's giving up on Rocky McIntosh should strongly reconsider that as well. This is the same defensive staff that refused to start Sean Taylor at first, and he might just be OK. Holding him up to Pierce is an unfair benchmark.

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[quote=Defensewins;275483]Is that supposed to be good or bad? I don't get your point?

The only measure that matters is win/loss. I don't care if we get our players from the waiver wire. Just win baby.[/quote]But in the event that you don't win, like this year, you then have to diagnose the problem.

Did we lose 11 games this year because we forgot to build though the draft? Of course not, that'd be a ridiculous theroy. We lost because the defense regressed to epic proportions, partially due to questionable roster moves, partially due to things that no one could have predicted.

Obviously, trading all of our picks is going to hurt our ability to rebuild cheaply in the future, but thats it.

Cowherd's just being an ass again, I wouldn't put too much stock into this.

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part of the reason is Gibbs wants to win, and wants to win now. They're not worried about building for the future, he knows he won't be here long and that becomes a necessity. The same goes for every other coach because DC is a very impatient market. I think our next coach we will hire will be GWilliams and he'll be given some time by Snyder to get the franchise running via a draft, I also think Snyder won't give him control of the front office. With Cerrato already forced to the side Gibbs leaving would be the perfect way to get a GM in and I have a feeling Snyder may just do that.

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[quote=Mattyk72;275491]Same old, same old.

Sorry but for anyone who is sick of this current front office stategy the only thing I can recommend is to stop following the team, because with so little draft picks this year how else do you think they are going to approach this offseason? Get ready for more of the same.[/quote]I would be more than satisfied if they went into 2008 with their first 4 picks. It's not like we have to stop signing guys who can help this team, we just need to cut it with the mass restructurings. No pun intended.

Also, if we are going to continue this current strategy, it forces us to keep Lloyd and Archuleta on the roster. Personally, I don't see a problem with having extra talent on the roster even if they are being way overpaid, but others do. We just can't afford to make these cuts AND restructure a bunch of deals AND sign more FAs.

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[QUOTE=TAFKAS;275508]What about Kenard Lang?[/QUOTE]

Yeah, that's right. Don't know how I forgot him.

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Schneed has pointed out several times that we CAN indeed cut some dead weight such as AA or Lloyd, and still be able to make moves in free agency and the draft without it being a major problem.

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When in doubt check our draft history page

[url]http://www.thewarpath.net/redskins-draft.htm[/url]

For years now the Skins haven't placed much emphasis on drafting along the DL. Not sure why but that's how things have played out.