John Mclain,hall Of Fame Voter,discusses Art Monk
 

John Mclain of the houston chronicle has a blog,he talks about Monk,gives you some insight,some skin fan named Todd really gives him hell and makes some good points,if you read the whole page he responds to some emails and you can leave him a message

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Re: John Mclain,hall Of Fame Voter,discusses Art Monk
 

I definitely agree about his point here, insults and name calling aren't going to help Monk's cause at all:

For all you others, I imagine a first-class act like Monk would be rather embarrassed of third-class acts like you trying to gain votes for him.

Now, let me explain this real slow so you'll understand: This is directed at those of you — and you should know who you are unless your parents actually sent the e-mails — who began your comments with the kind of name-calling that'll never be able to see the light of day in the Chronicle or on this web site. You know who you are. I wish I could run the e-mails exactly like you wrote them. Imagine what Monk and Joe Gibbs would think about supposedly true Redskins fans resorting to the lowest common denominator to try to make a point.

Re: John Mclain,hall Of Fame Voter,discusses Art Monk
 

I think he lost some credibility with this statement:

"I learned at an early age what Redskins fans were really like: the worst of the worst. Good for absolutely nothing. They can't be trusted. They were so ignorant they couldn't spell "class" if you spotted them the "c-l-a-s." The class and dignity that Cowboys fans always showed was foreign to Redskins fans. I mean, Richard Nixon was a Redskins fans."

"Worst of the worst"?! As if there is such a thing in pro sports fandom. Each team has as many obnoxious fans as every other one. To say that fans who follow a particular team are worse than others is absurd. Too bad for him, he had a good blog going until that. :(

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So what is "Todd's" Warpath screen name?

I think he was sort of kidding with that 'worst of the worst" comment, but it was completely unnecessary of him to say.

Re: John Mclain,hall Of Fame Voter,discusses Art Monk
 

Everyone rags on fans of other teams, especially rivals.

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I keep seeing this title and thinking it's about Senator John McCain's thoughts on Monk.

Re: John Mclain,hall Of Fame Voter,discusses Art Monk
 

That guy Todd just ripped into him, that was awesome. He needs to get on the Warpath.

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"IF Monk goes into the NFL Hall of Fame, he will go in for the same reason Moon, Fouts, and Namath went in. "STATS" and nothing more. He was no leader like Irvin, nor did he work and practice as hard. Even the voter from N.Y. said that he voted for Irvin because of his work ethic and leadership he provided the Dallas Cowboys. He went in because his stats were secondary to the value to his team. Monk rightfully should go in AFTER the great Michael Irvin!!!!!!!!"

Is this guy a f*cking crack whore?!

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The "worst of the worst," no way. I live in Richmond, VA and their are alot of skins fans here and of course boys fans too. It seems like the "boys" fans are to often the more outspoken ones on sports radio call ins. And I know many more skins fans that cowboys fans around. So i don't see it at all.

Raider fans are probably the worst, followed by Eagles fans. We're not in the top 10.

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Eagles fans are the worst. I live near Philly and I still have yet to meet a fan who knows everything about the team. Most of them can only name about 5 or 10 players, they know nothing about the rest of the league, and they all have no class at the games.

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[quote=TAFKAS;275815]I keep seeing this title and thinking it's about Senator John McCain's thoughts on Monk.[/quote]

I KEEP seeing this title and keep thinking: Yipee-kai-yay mother ****er.

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[quote=GhettoDogAllStars;275809]I think he lost some credibility with this statement:

"I learned at an early age what Redskins fans were really like: the worst of the worst. Good for absolutely nothing. They can't be trusted. They were so ignorant they couldn't spell "class" if you spotted them the "c-l-a-s." The class and dignity that Cowboys fans always showed was foreign to Redskins fans. I mean, Richard Nixon was a Redskins fans."

"Worst of the worst"?! As if there is such a thing in pro sports fandom. Each team has as many obnoxious fans as every other one. To say that fans who follow a particular team are worse than others is absurd. Too bad for him, he had a good blog going until that. :([/quote]


That sort of unsubstantiated, subjective vitriol is pathetic coming from a reporter, especially one trusted to vote for the Hall of Fame. He sounds like child, and an ignorant one at that. That kind of centric understanding of reality, that "our fans our the best, and there's are the worst" attitude is utterly ridiculous, and the fact that he would propagate it in a discussion about a player's legacy is almost unfathomable. It really irks me when journalists rise to the ranks of austerity, not through integrity, insight and skill, but through contentious and obnoxious reporting for the sole purpose of raising ire and causing emotion. It's far too prevalent in sports reporting, and has in fact come to dominate it. If you can't defend your local team like a local idiot, it's pretty hard to make a name for yourself. Well, Mclain hasn't had a problem doing that.

Incidently (and I could be wrong here) but was Nixon really a Skins fan? Granted, he called a play in SB VII, but didn't he have season tix for the Giants?

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[QUOTE=gabe1984;275817]"IF Monk goes into the NFL Hall of Fame, he will go in for the same reason Moon, Fouts, and Namath went in. "STATS" and nothing more. He was no leader like Irvin, nor did he work and practice as hard. Even the voter from N.Y. said that he voted for Irvin because of his work ethic and leadership he provided the Dallas Cowboys. He went in because his stats were secondary to the value to his team. Monk rightfully should go in AFTER the great Michael Irvin!!!!!!!!"

Is this guy a f*cking crack whore?![/QUOTE]

Mclain didnt write that,that was an emailer named cowboy,and if its who I think it is,he's the most obnoxiuos cowboy fan ever

Re: John Mclain,hall Of Fame Voter,discusses Art Monk
 

Didn't McClain beat 3 different terrorist groups?

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[QUOTE=Mattyk72;275803]Insults and name calling aren't going to help Monk's cause at all:

For all you others, I imagine a first-class act like Monk would be rather embarrassed of third-class acts like you trying to gain votes for him.[/QUOTE]

Excellent point. Moreover, most HoF voters voted for Monk, so there's no use in abusing guys who already support Monk's candidacy.

That said, I think that a well-reasoned, articulate, and thoughtful letter to sports reporters about Monk's credentials is perfectly fine. I doubt that many of the voters read such emails, but there's no harm in trying to persuade people in a reasonable and collected fashion.

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[QUOTE=htownskinfan;275874]Mclain didnt write that,that was an emailer named cowboy,and if its who I think it is,he's the most obnoxiuos cowboy fan ever[/QUOTE]

Who do you think it is?

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hes a local guy, "Cowboy" Bill Lamza, president of the Dallas Cowboys Fan Club

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I thought the article was all in good fun....and there's nothing he says with which I disagree

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While he is right about one thing, that no one should be attacking him. Beyond that the entire post was garbage. Who cares if his wife is a Redskins fan? What was that b.s. about Cowboys fans and class? Everything that he described can be used to describe a portion of every team's fan base. He can't escape the Cowboy bias that burns deep inside, that is obvious. The way he structured the article made it sound like the majority of Redskins fans act that way which is untrue.

As far as the comment about the fans that can read. If he knew anything about demographics he would know that this area is one of the most educated in the country, but then he wouldn't be able to attack us and stereotype us as the "worst of the worst".

He is still pissed about the '82 Championship game and if I were a Cowboys fan, I would be too.

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He looks like the guy from Office Space that invented the "Jump to Conclusions" mat. You know, that lucky bastard that doesn't have to work anymore.

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[quote=htownskinfan;275874]Mclain didnt write that,that was an emailer named cowboy,and if its who I think it is,he's the most obnoxiuos cowboy fan ever[/quote]

I knew Mclain didnt write it. I just couldn't believe some idiot would write that and thought he needed to be compared to a f#$king crack whore.

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[QUOTE=70Chip;275907]He looks like the guy from Office Space that invented the "Jump to Conclusions" mat. You know, that lucky bastard that doesn't have to work anymore.[/QUOTE]

"That's the worst idea I've ever heard in my life, Tom. "
"Yes, this is horrible, this idea. "

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[QUOTE=gabe1984;275919]I knew Mclain didnt write it. I just couldn't believe some idiot would write that and thought he needed to be compared to a f#$king crack whore.[/QUOTE]

okay,I didnt know if you realized that,well i'm not sure if that was "cowboy" bill lamza who wrote that or just some douchebag,but thats what bill lamza is.He got banned from the local sports station here because he was so obnoxious,he would call and they would just say"scoreboard" refering to when the texans beat the cowboys their first yr.
get this,he admitted on the air that he went to the game[texans-cowboys]wearing his cowboy gear,when he saw the texans were going to win he went to the bathroom and changed into texans gear because he was afraid of getting his ass kicked! he's the frickin president of the cowboys fan club and he ducks into the bathroom to change!! what a puss,who would do that? it aint like the texan fans are philly fans! it was their first win,they would have gave him some crap,thats about it
I wore my skins gear to the texans game this yr,nobody said nothing

Re: John Mclain,hall Of Fame Voter,discusses Art Monk
 

You have to wonder if something else is going on when the voters refuse to put Monk into the HOF.

And you then have to wonder if it has anything to do with the fans and the city itself.

It seems that with politics and everything else, 'Washington' is a dirty word to the rest of the country. Even politicians who have been here for years run against "those people in Washington". I also think we might underestimate the feeling of NFL fans and media towards our owner.

And like it or not, we Redskins fans are lumped into that general feeling the rest of the country has for this town. So I feel that there might be a certain amount of satisfaction gained by sticking it to us on stuff like this.