Draft Day Trades: Jets Interested? (rumor)
 

At the advice of my friends and fellow Skins fans, I was told to keep this to myself, but I can't. I even had to post 10 times b4 I could tell you all this...

A few weeks ago, I was arguing with a few of my fellow fans about what the skins need to do for the draft considering that we only have 1 pick in the first day! I said that we absolutely need to begin to build thru the draft. We have been trading draft picks for washed up players(Duckett & Lloyd), and we need to start trading players for draft picks. So I suggested that we trade Ladell Betts for a draft pick(s). I almost got cussed out! [B]"Ladell is good blah blah blah.[/B]" That is exactly why we should trade him NOW! He has a very "[B][U]trade friendly[/B][/U]" contract, he fumbles the ball in a run oriented system(which cost us the Rams and Bucs game), and his value is as high as ever considering he just went over 1,000 yards in CP's abscence. Once again, laughed at. Whatever, I know it makes sense.

So a few weeks ago, I was at work for the Washington Wizards(I am in the fan patrol. We pass out burritos and tshirts) arguing the same point with my buddies and skins fans who also work with me. So, guess who walks by me at the verizon center b4 the game - Mr. Sports Machine himself, [B]George Michael[/B]. So out of jest, I said that I should ask him the same question about trading Betts for draft picks. To my surprise they told me to do it, so I did.

"[I]Mr. Michael, hello my name is "SKinsFanSince91", and I wanna ask u a question about the Redskins.[/I]" GM said, jokingly, "[B][I][U]OKay buddy. The Redskins were 5-11. What do you wanna know about them?[/U][/I][/B]" I said, "[I]What do u think about the Redskins trading Ledell Betts for a draft pick(s), seeing as how we only have one, pittiful pick, in the first day?[/I]" Immediately, he facial expressions showed me that this wasnt the first time he had heard this scenario.

His exact words were, GM - "[B][I][U]Well, we cant trade CP, cuz we are married to his contract. You never pay that to a RB, because you can find them anywhere in the draft. That $ goes to a QB, cuz they are few and far between. His contract isnt trade friendly.[/U][/I][/B]"

Interjecting, SkinsFanSince91 - "[I]But, Betts' contract is. Houston, Green Bay, and New Yo..[/I]"

Before I could finish saying New York, he said, "[B][I][U]I shouldn't even be telling you this [/U][/I][/B](side note: this is why it took me so long to tell you guys, cuz I dont wanna be the one to beat the potentiality of the deal), [B][I][U]but among other teams, the JETS have been doing everything they can since the end of the regular season to get the Ladell Betts. So far, they have offered a swap of first round picks(our 6th for their 25th pick) AND Ladell Betts for the "disgruntled" Johnathan Vilma.[/U][/I][/B]" He saw our faces and said, "[B][I][U]I know it sounds to good to be true, but the JETS wanna move VILMA because the MLB is unhappy in the new Eric Mangini 3-4 scheme. Same thng happened to Ray Lewis. The 3-4 doesn't protect the MLB like the 4-3, which allows the DT's to take up blocks and let the MLB run free and makes tackles. So he wants out. There are other teams interested, but I gotta run the game is about start...[/U][/I][/B]"

SkinsFanSince91, "[I]Thanks George. Thanks alot.[/I]"

With smiles and all types of impatience towards the start of the draft, I felt compelled to call him by his first name. After all, he did give me a little hope until the draft, and even until next season.

Now this is a primary source report(eye witness account), as I was there along with 2 witnesses. I need not remind you that one can be convicted of a crime with two witnesses. So God, please let the SKins be convicted of doing the smart/practical thing by gaining more draft picks at the expense of Ladell Betts and maybe even Adam Archuleta. Amen...lol.


Thoughts anyone? I am really interested to get some dialouge going, just don't be the one to talk TOO much, so that it gets to ESPN and then the deal gets trashed.

Holla

PS
If anyone can get me a Skins GM job, I am now starting my campaign!

Re: Draft Day Trades: Jets Interested?!(from a prmiary source)
 

Wow -- thats all I have to say .. maybe we could get an extra 2nd or 3rd too and id be all for it.

Re: Draft Day Trades: Jets Interested?!(from a prmiary source)
 

We swap picks (our 6th for their 25th) and give up Ladell Betts to get Jonathan Vilma?

Why don't we ask them to kick us in the balls too?

No thanks.

Re: Draft Day Trades: Jets Interested?!(from a prmiary source)
 

I'll take another Miami guy. They seem to shine in the burgundy and gold. I'm not surprised about this move and I certainly welcome it.

Re: Draft Day Trades: Jets Interested?!(from a prmiary source)
 

Don't believe it for a minute! Yea Ladell dropped a few, but that is fixable "AKA" TIKI, and his PLUS far outweights his FAULTS! Not to mention he hits the hole HARD and FAST, he's not leavin.

Futhermore, you have no clue how CP will hold up, if he holds up at all? Haven't heard anything on his progress. LB is GREAT insurance! LB is a CLASS ACT that can get it done, I certainly hope this is non sense.

Re: Draft Day Trades: Jets Interested?!(from a prmiary source)
 

I don't like the move. I would make the move straight up but I WOULD NOT swap number one picks. Plus I'm not sure Vilma at 230lb is big enough to play MLB in a 4-3. We already tried a small MLB. I would pass on this.

Re: Draft Day Trades: Jets Interested?!(from a prmiary source)
 

[quote=skinsfan69;277499]I don't like the move. I would make the move straight up but I WOULD NOT swap number one picks. Plus I'm not sure Vilma at 230lb is big enough to play MLB in a 4-3. We already tried a small MLB. I would pass on this.[/quote]

Vilma is already a MLB, so I guess he's big enough.

Re: Draft Day Trades: Jets Interested?!(from a primary source)
 

While it is well noted we need draft picks in the worst way, we're not going to trade Betts, so to me it's useless even discussing that senerio. Think about it, why would we even consider trading him after just signing him to a new five year deal, and our running back situation being as precarious as it is with Portis coming back off injury, and Duckett leaving via FA? I think we need to consider other options to acquire DP's.

Re: Draft Day Trades: Jets Interested?!(from a primary source)
 

not that great of a trade since we drop down 19 picks

Re: Draft Day Trades: Jets Interested?!(from a primary source)
 

[quote=Big C;277502]not that great of a trade since we drop down 19 picks[/quote]

well is Vilma even that good anymore??

Re: Draft Day Trades: Jets Interested?!(from a primary source)
 

[QUOTE=SkinsFanSince91;277493]Thoughts anyone? I am really interested to get some dialouge going, just don't be the one to talk TOO much, so that it gets to ESPN and then the deal gets trashed.[/QUOTE]

I'm talking to Trey Wingo about it right now!

Not crazy about that deal...if true

Re: Draft Day Trades: Jets Interested?!(from a primary source)
 

[QUOTE=hooskins;277504]well is Vilma even that good anymore??[/QUOTE]

yes he is

Re: Draft Day Trades: Jets Interested?!(from a primary source)
 

[QUOTE=TAFKAS;277505]I'm talking to Trey Wingo about it right now!

Not crazy about that deal...if true[/QUOTE]

tell trey i said whats up

Re: Draft Day Trades: Jets Interested?!(from a primary source)
 

I like the trade of Ladell for Vilma, but not switching the picks without an additional pick. #6 for #25 doesn't match up. its not like we are getting Urlacher for Betts. It would be a pretty decent deal if we get a 2nd or 3rd with the trade.

Re: Draft Day Trades: Jets Interested?!(from a primary source)
 

[quote=Big C;277507]tell trey i said whats up[/quote]

yeah hoo says whattup...

tell him to give uva some love on espn..

Re: Draft Day Trades: Jets Interested?!(from a primary source)
 

But who is our 2nd back then when Portis goes down?

Re: Draft Day Trades: Jets Interested?!(from a primary source)
 

Vilma was DROY in 2004 playing in the 4-3. I would do it if we got to keep the 6th pick. Ladell Betts is good but there are plenty of running backs out there who could replace him just as easily.

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[QUOTE=hooskins;277510]But who is our 2nd back then when Portis goes down?[/QUOTE]

i dont want to trade betts but id guess it would be rock or maybe we would re-sign duckett or use a later pick on a rb

Re: Draft Day Trades: Jets Interested?!(from a primary source)
 

if we did trade Betts, there would be a possibility of keeping Duckett. I dont think he would want to stay, but he could be used very well with portis.

Re: Draft Day Trades: Jets Interested?!(from a primary source)
 

Is this a practical joke?

Re: Draft Day Trades: Jets Interested?!(from a primary source)
 

The Jets would have to give up their next pick as well before I would consider it.



Trey Wingo: Do you like Gladiator Movies, TAFKAS?

Re: Draft Day Trades: Jets Interested?!(from a primary source)
 

DUCKETT IS DONE! He didn't do JACK. Ladell carried the load and they rewarded him to a nice 5 year deal, WELL DESERVED! More than I can say for most of the FA that we signed! LB is a real SKIN, and will be with us for many years to come!

Re: Draft Day Trades: Jets Interested?!(from a primary source)
 

i love Vilma. and i think the skins would be fine with Cartwright backing up Portis. but to fall that far in the draft, the jets would have to sweeten the pot. but another guy from the 'U'? definitely

Re: Draft Day Trades: Jets Interested?!(from a primary source)
 

t.j.duckett and our #6 for vilma and thier #25 sounds much better to me.
they would be getting a much better deal if we gave them betts and the #6.

Re: Draft Day Trades: Jets Interested?!(from a primary source)
 

Rocks done a heck of a job, but he's not a #2 in the backfield. Can't campare Rock to Ladell. Ladell is a #1 on most teams. I'm quite sure there are many teams that would like to utilize him as there #1 back. We're in GREAT shape if CP is healthy and LB is on the sidelines with fresh legs!

Re: Draft Day Trades: Jets Interested?!(from a prmiary source)
 

[quote=Mattyk72;277500]Vilma is already a MLB, so I guess he's big enough.[/quote]

Well he's an inside backer in a 3-4 so he getting pounded by guards all game long. No wonder he wants out. Whatever he is I don't like the move.

Re: Draft Day Trades: Jets Interested?!(from a primary source)
 

I don't like the trade as reported. I think that Betts and a 2nd or 3rd in next year's draft would be fair. The Jets need a running back in a bad way, were reportedly interested in him last year, do not have a pick high enough to get a good back, and I don't think there's a feature back on the free agent market. My guess is that if they are serious, they will reduce their asking price.

Moreover, I don't think we need a back of Betts' caliber as a backup. Having two feature backs on a team that has an abundance of holes at starting positions and depth issues doesn't make much sense to me. Don't get me wrong, I like Betts, but I think we have other areas of need that need to be filled. I'd like to have both Betts and extra picks, but we probably can't have both and I'd pick the extra picks or players over an extra feature back.

Re: Draft Day Trades: Jets Interested?!(from a prmiary source)
 

[quote=skinsfan69;277523]Well he's an inside backer in a 3-4 so he getting pounded by guards all game long. No wonder he wants out. Whatever he is I don't like the move.[/quote]

You don't like the move or the player? Because the player is one of the best LBs in the game.

Re: Draft Day Trades: Jets Interested?!(from a primary source)
 

[quote=wolfeskins;277518]t.j.duckett and our #6 for vilma and thier #25 sounds much better to me.
they would be getting a much better deal if we gave them betts and the #6.[/quote]

I guess you're assuming we would re-sign TJ before dealing him, because he's currently set to become a FA.

Re: Draft Day Trades: Jets Interested?!(from a primary source)
 

Regarding this original post, I'm not saying this "deal" is made up, but I will say it's hearsay so I would encourage everyone to not get too worked up. Take it for what it is, a guy who supposedly talked to a guy. Sorry but I've heard these things too many times before.

Re: Draft Day Trades: Jets Interested?!(from a primary source)
 

[quote=Mattyk72;277530]I guess you're assuming we would re-sign TJ before dealing him, because he's currently set to become a FA.[/quote]

If the trade was to happen before TJ signed with anyone would be ideal. But I would imagine TJ will be signed before that trade would happen. I dont see us signing TJ or him even willing to sign unless the trade was a 100% done deal.

Re: Draft Day Trades: Jets Interested?!(from a primary source)
 

The team's running back situation is in no position to consider trading anyone. I'm convinced today's NFL requires at least two quality running backs. Sixteen games at 25-30 carries a game is too much for one back, and last season was proof positive of the need. Cartwright is not the guy I would want to step in in the event Portis or Betts goes down, and it's not likely we could trade Duckett because he's about to enter FA. With the backs we have it dosen't make sense to trade one just to go look for a replacement.

Re: Draft Day Trades: Jets Interested?!(from a primary source)
 

No offense...But if you think any trade involving Betts for Vilma is not good you have to be high on some good stuff!!!!! Are you serious, do you not watch football. Betts is great and all and I love him to death...but cmon, Vilma is a freakin beast. Our defense would be immediately better and we wouldnt have to worry about spending money at LB when CB, DT, and DE are greater needs for us to POSSIBLY address WISELY in free agency or the draft. However, the Jets are on crack if they expect us to swap our 6 for their 25, Betts is a starting quality back and Vilma is a proven starter. After the season Betts had, on paper, he aint no LT or S. Alexander, but he is probably better that your average running back. Vilma for Betts, str8 up deal, no picks is what I would like, but if the Jets would throw in some picks that would be great too. But to get our hands on Vilma would be ridiculous, him and Sean probing the field would be dangerous!!!!!

Re: Draft Day Trades: Jets Interested?!(from a primary source)
 

hmmm. Im kind of in the RB and LB are a dime a dozen camp unless they are unreal beasts aka, Tomlinson, Urlacher, Lewis. The best thing about Betts aside from his ability is the fact that his agent is a complete moron and got him locked into a team friendly deal right before he could have seen a huge payday. He really does solidify the RB position at back up money for years to come. You would have to pay a player like Vilma a ton. Moreover, I am starting to think that the biggest problem we have been having with the big contracts is actually the ego/motivation impact they seem to have on the team. Given that we are impervious to salary cap hell, but tend to stink on gameday, I think compiling more players with Betts like skill and salary could be a blueprint for success. We could use more solid if unspectacular players, at a resonable and more importantly [I]ego dampening[/I] price. You pay the big bucks ONLY to the team leaders and the superathletes who are the CORE of the team. Overpay for those guys if you have to. The other guys look up to them and respect them, but know their place on the team. If they want too much, they are replaced. Because of the fact that there seems to be no method to our compensation packages, (coaches included), it seems to affect the chain of command of the entire organization. Who is in charge? Who do I HAVE to listen to. Who are THE core players? Who is the REAL head coach. Honestly, come to think of it, I think that the main reason we were all so excited when Joe Gibbs came back was because we imagined that he would bring a very clear sense of leadership and direction to the team. It may well be that his major failing has been in this regard since his return. With JG, GW and Al Saunders, we are dealing with a three headed monster in terms of leadership and direction. That seems to flow down to the players and is compounded by the overspending. The core players should get the money, and the team should scheme around there particular strengths. On the same token, the coaching staff should have a clear outline of who is in charge. It is one thing to [I]say[/I] Joe Gibbs is in charge, another thing entirely to [I]know[/I] he is. I think that Joe hopefully already has this figured out. It seems that he took control of the team late last season by reaserting his coaching philosophy that we would be a running, smashmouth football team. Unfortunately, it was already too late to save the season. However, I believe that both GW and Saunders got put back in there place and now the team might have a clear understanding of what they are expected to be: a Joe Gibbs football team.
With that in mind, Betts is a more than servicable starter and a very strong role player/backup with a good contract who fits the mold of a power running team. That much we know. Is Vilma one of THE two or three guys you plan to build your entire defense around? A trade like that is only worth it if your answer is yes, because you will have to pay him like a top two or three defender. The same goes for the number six pick. Is the player we draft there going to be one of those two or three guys that makes huge money and is a cornerstone of the franchise? To me, if none of those defenders fits that mold, you either trade down in hopes of landing more solid Betts type players which every good team needs, or you use the pick as leverage to get a guy like Vilma or whoever else you have decided to build around.

Re: Draft Day Trades: Jets Interested?!(from a prmiary source)
 

[QUOTE=Beemnseven;277495]We swap picks (our 6th for their 25th) and give up Ladell Betts to get Jonathan Vilma?

Why don't we ask them to kick us in the balls too?

No thanks.[/QUOTE]


My sentiments exactly! If they want Betts that bad they better have a better offer than that! Vilma and their 1'st round draft pick aught to do it.

Re: Draft Day Trades: Jets Interested?!(from a prmiary source)
 

[quote=saden1;277539]My sentiments exactly! If they want Betts that bad they better have a better offer than that! Vilma and their 1'st round draft pick aught to do it.[/quote]

Vilma and their first round pick.... Come on now, this isn't Madden 2000.

Re: Draft Day Trades: Jets Interested?!(from a prmiary source)
 

[quote=Mattyk72;277529]You don't like the move or the player? Because the player is one of the best LBs in the game.[/quote]

I like the player. I know he's fast as hell and he's a solid guy. He's a little small but if he's protected I'm sure he can really thrive. But I just don't like the idea of letting Betts go and moving that far down in the draft. We need to get the horses up front before we start with the LB's and the secondary. We need an end and a tackle in the worst way.

Re: Draft Day Trades: Jets Interested?!(from a primary source)
 

[quote=Skins4Eva;277537]No offense...But if you think any trade involving Betts for Vilma is not good you have to be high on some good stuff!!!!! Are you serious, do you not watch football. Betts is great and all and I love him to death...but cmon, Vilma is a freakin beast. Our defense would be immediately better and we wouldnt have to worry about spending money at LB when CB, DT, and DE are greater needs for us to POSSIBLY address WISELY in free agency or the draft. However, the Jets are on crack if they expect us to swap our 6 for their 25, Betts is a starting quality back and Vilma is a proven starter. After the season Betts had, on paper, he aint no LT or S. Alexander, but he is probably better that your average running back. Vilma for Betts, str8 up deal, no picks is what I would like, but if the Jets would throw in some picks that would be great too. But to get our hands on Vilma would be ridiculous, him and Sean probing the field would be dangerous!!!!![/quote]


I agree here. I would make the move straight up. But what do you think of the Jets current rb's? Cause Leon Washington is the real deal. Cedrick Houston is nice too. So I'm not sure what the Jets are thinking if any of this is true. Why bring in Betts when you already have two real good young runners?

Re: Draft Day Trades: Jets Interested?!(from a primary source)
 

Were losing a little here...Vilma is way more valuable than Betts...but the gap is even wider from the 6th pick down to 25th. They need to kick in another day 1 draft pick and then it's fair.

Anyone who thinks Betts is untradeable does not understand the NFL...RB's are a dime a dozen.

Re: Draft Day Trades: Jets Interested?!(from a primary source)
 

I hate the thought of even thinking this. Betts is to good to give up. what happens when and if portis goes down again? Betts is very valuable here and if it was me i wouldn't even think about letting this guy go. you need help!