Dwight Freeney to Skins?
 

My brother just told me that he saw somewhere that the redskins are actually thinking about trading their number 6 pick for dwight freeney but i cant find it but what you all think would that be smart or stupid i think it would be kinda stupid seeing that this years draft is full of defensive line help discuss

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That'd be a bad move.

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No way.

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you should read before you make posts

[url]http://www.thewarpath.net/redskins-locker-room/17087-colts-put-francise-tag-freeny.html[/url]

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Well the franchise tag wouldn't prevent the Redskins from trading for him...but I pray that they don't

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I would hope it would atleast deter them...

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Two points:[LIST=1][*]The Colts just won the Super Bowl with defense. Why would they part with Freeney?[*]Check the stats and you will see that the numbers on Freeney aren't that different than Andre' Carter's numbers. I don't see that as worth a first round draft pick. You want a pass rusher, draft one.[/LIST]

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He is 27 and a proven commodity. I'd trade a 1'st and a 3'rd rounder for him.

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If we trade our first rounder for him, I will probaboly have a heart attack.

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Are you kidding me! I would trade the 6th pick for freeney in a heartbeat. This guy is arguably the premier pass rusher in the league. You think you can find a player of his calliber with the 6th pick??????

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There is no way Indy is going to let him go to get some draft pick that they dont know could replace him. Indy is keeping him.

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[quote=skins009;278590]Are you kidding me! I would trade the 6th pick for freeney in a heartbeat. This guy is arguably the premier pass rusher in the league. You think you can find a player of his calliber with the 6th pick??????[/quote]

He is worth alot more than one first rounder, and I seriously doubt Indy will part with him easily.....


The point is he will be too costly, cap and pick wise. Not worth it.

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maaan AC and Freeney cmon off the ends, thatd b nasty. But it wont happen because of the cap situation

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[quote=EARTHQUAKE2689;278574]My brother just told me that he saw somewhere that the redskins are actually thinking about trading their number 6 pick for dwight freeney but i cant find it but what you all think would that be smart or stupid i think it would be kinda stupid seeing that this years draft is full of defensive line help discuss[/quote]

NOT GONNA HAPPEN.

1. Andre Carter and Freeney play the same position. That would mean a zillion dollars would be tied up in the RDE position.

2. Bill Pollian has stated that Dwight Freeney is not going anywhere.

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Dumb rumor.

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[QUOTE=skins009;278590]Are you kidding me! I would trade the 6th pick for freeney in a heartbeat. This guy is arguably the premier pass rusher in the league. You think you can find a player of his calliber with the 6th pick??????[/QUOTE]

It's not that simple though. You have to trade two picks (two firsts I believe) plus compensate Freeney equal to what the Colts are compensating him.

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stupid rumor. no way.

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no way. most of freeneys sacks come when the colts have a big lead. and i think he only had 4-5 sacks this past season. for the kind of money he is going to get, he needs double digit sack numbers. or playing alittle more stout against the run

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I think this thread is nuts. I can't believe I'm replying...but I'll speak to the Freeney as a Redskin idea.

After watching the Colts in the playoffs, and specifically Freeney, I didn't notice any real impact that Freeney was making over the course of the games. He wasn't as bad against the run becasue he scheme seemed to be for him to keep the runner inside so the the LB could make the tackle. He seemed to be able to do that. No big time sacks though, and only a bit above average pressure.

Williams is getting that and more out of Carter already. Plus Carter seems to be getting constant pressure on the QB. Against Eli Manning, Carter was all over him even though he only got 1 sack. We have our pass rushing DE right now.

Please, forget about Freeney.

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The Colts have said that Freeney will be playing for them next year. I heard that on the Mike & Mike show this morning. I can't remember if they said this or if it was part of the news update they do every 15min but it was reported that Dungy said this.

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We need a team of no-names who have some talent and an intense desire to succeed...........you know, team guys! We don't need any more 20m dollar men.
Look at the Great Skins teams of the past. VERY FEW pro bowlers came out of those teams, but they were Dominant. That does not mean we can't have an indiscretion or two in the FA market.
Everybody knows the Hogs, but other than a Redskin fan, who can name them?

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I would hope to God that doesn't happen. too much money tied up on DE's that play the same position. Plus they are basically the same players (carter and freeney) Neither are true studs vs the run any way.

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[QUOTE=skins009;278590]Are you kidding me! I would trade the 6th pick for freeney in a heartbeat. This guy is arguably the premier pass rusher in the league. You think you can find a player of his calliber with the 6th pick??????[/QUOTE]


Well considering they drafted him late in the first round...I would think that its possible to find a player of that calibur with the 6th pick in the draft.


Not nessiciarily with our front office lol, but I do think you can get a player that good, easily.

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[QUOTE=Hog1;278682]We need a team of no-names who have some talent and an intense desire to succeed...........you know, team guys! We don't need any more 20m dollar men.
Look at the Great Skins teams of the past. VERY FEW pro bowlers came out of those teams, but they were Dominant. That does not mean we can't have an indiscretion or two in the FA market.
Everybody knows the Hogs, but other than a Redskin fan, who can name them?[/QUOTE]

Gotta disagree in a big way. The Redskins had a TON of big-talent, big-play guys during Gibbs' first tenure. See Riggins, Monk, Clark, Sanders, Didier, Jacoby, Bostic, Grimm, May, Butz, Coleman, Green, Manley, Mann, and the list goes on.

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I would not disagree, we were deep in talent. We had no Freeney's. We had a lot of guys with talent and work ethic.
Like I said, the Hogs were stars, but other than a Skins fan, who can name them? Not many HOF'ers (I mistakenly said pro-bowlers earlier)

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[QUOTE=Hog1;278692]I would not disagree, we were deep in talent. We had no Freeney's. We had a lot of guys with talent and work ethic.
Like I said, the Hogs were stars, but other than a Skins fan, who can name them? Not many HOF'ers (I mistakenly said pro-bowlers earlier)[/QUOTE]

I think I know what you're saying. We had the playmakers, but not the flashy superstars. Clark was the "flashiest" one of all, but he was still gritty and all-business on the field.

But oh, if we only go back to the days of finding Monte Coleman in the 11th round of the draft or Joe Jacoby in undrafted free agency.

Ahh, the 80's. Bobby Beathard, Joe Gibbs (1.0), and Culture Club ... who could ask for more?

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[QUOTE=Beemnseven;278730]Ahh, the 80's. Bobby Beathard, Joe Gibbs (1.0), and Culture Club ... who could ask for more?[/QUOTE]

I'd tumble for that. I watch today's Redskins and I think "do you really want to hurt me, do you really want to make me cry" Karma Karma Karma Chameleon is a bitch...and so on.

I'll stop now

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no this draft is rich with D lineman

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[quote=Beemnseven;278730]I think I know what you're saying. We had the playmakers, but not the flashy superstars. Clark was the "flashiest" one of all, but he was still gritty and all-business on the field.

But oh, if we only go back to the days of finding Monte Coleman in the 11th round of the draft or Joe Jacoby in undrafted free agency.

Ahh, the 80's. Bobby Beathard, Joe Gibbs (1.0), and Culture Club ... who could ask for more?[/quote]

Culture Club, holy shit.
That is what I meant. We had guys that played Great together. Not that many Great guys.
The off season should be real interesting. One of the most compelling things about Joe is his ability to evaluate and evolve. We'll see

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[quote=hooskins;278578]you should read before you make posts

[URL]http://www.thewarpath.net/redskins-locker-room/17087-colts-put-francise-tag-freeny.html[/URL][/quote]


Why does someone always have to make a smart comment?

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[quote=mredskins;278768]Why does someone always have to make a smart comment?[/quote]
I am a jackass.

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[quote=hooskins;278771]I am a jackass.[/quote]
:lol:

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[quote=hooskins;278771]I am a jackass.[/quote]

I said that months ago!

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Look at some of high (3rd round or better) draft picks we've had the past four years:

Sean Taylor (led the team in tackles this year)
Jason Campbell (led the team in TD passes this year)
Chris Cooley (led the team in catches this year)
Carlos Rodgers (led the team in passes defended this year)
Derrick Dockery (started 16 games last year)
Ladell Betts (played great in place of an injured Portis)

So while we piss away drafts picks in sickening fashion, the few we have had over the past few years look better than some of the free agency debacles we have had. We've got a chance to have the first or second defensive player in the draft in Gaines Adams or Jamaal Anderson. DRAFT A DE!!! I'd rather a 21 or 22 year old future Dwight Freeney for a fraction of the cost of a 27 or 28 year old actual Dwight Freeney.

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[QUOTE=GMScud;278823]Look at some of high (3rd round or better) draft picks we've had the past four years:

Sean Taylor (led the team in tackles this year)
Jason Campbell (led the team in TD passes this year)
Chris Cooley (led the team in catches this year)
Carlos Rodgers (led the team in passes defended this year)
Derrick Dockery (started 16 games last year)
Ladell Betts (played great in place of an injured Portis)

So while we piss away drafts picks in sickening fashion, the few we have had over the past few years look better than some of the free agency debacles we have had. We've got a chance to have the first or second defensive player in the draft in Gaines Adams or Jamaal Anderson. DRAFT A DE!!! I'd rather a 21 or 22 year old future Dwight Freeney for a fraction of the cost of a 27 or 28 year old actual Dwight Freeney.[/QUOTE]

Well, just to nitpick a little ...

Carlos Rogers? To me he's still a big, big question mark. He hasn't been the runaway success you'd hope for in a #9 overall pick. Leading [I]this[/I] secondary in passes defended is a bit misleading don't you think?

Ladell Betts has really come into his own despite the fumbles, but the knock on that selection was that it was a huge reach to take him in the second round. Most everybody had him lasting through the fourth.

And while the front office gets a lot of credit for having their eye on a little known tight end from Utah State in Chris Cooley, the problem was that he was a 2-for-1 deal. That brings us to another problem, for a couple of the legitimate gems we've been able get in the draft, (and for what could be a dud in Rocky McIntosh) we wind up losing future draft picks to get them.

I'll give you Dockery in the 3rd round of '03. That was a solid pick. Taylor was a no-brainer. We'll have to wait and see on Campbell, though I so desperately want him to be the long-awaited franchise QB for this team.

Overall, I just don't see how anyone can say this front office has made wise use of the draft in recent years.

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Jamal Anderson will help more than Freeney even now. He is much better against the run and opposite Carter he should have immediate impact. Plus, Golston looked really good at the end of the year at DT. Maybe with Griffin mentoring the other 3 the line might not be abysmal this year (of course there would still be no depth cuz Daniels and Wynn are really over the hill and can't play a full season between them.
We'll probably still give up a few more picks to move up to 4 to get the same guy available at 6 anyway.

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[quote=Grim21Reaper;278799]I said that months ago![/quote]

But it didn't seem so valid coming from another jackass's mouth.

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[quote=Beemnseven;278831]Well, just to nitpick a little ...

Carlos Rogers? To me he's still a big, big question mark. He hasn't been the runaway success you'd hope for in a #9 overall pick. Leading [I]this[/I] secondary in passes defended is a bit misleading don't you think?

Ladell Betts has really come into his own despite the fumbles, but the knock on that selection was that it was a huge reach to take him in the second round. Most everybody had him lasting through the fourth.

And while the front office gets a lot of credit for having their eye on a little known tight end from Utah State in Chris Cooley, the problem was that he was a 2-for-1 deal. That brings us to another problem, for a couple of the legitimate gems we've been able get in the draft, (and for what could be a dud in Rocky McIntosh) we wind up losing future draft picks to get them.

I'll give you Dockery in the 3rd round of '03. That was a solid pick. Taylor was a no-brainer. We'll have to wait and see on Campbell, though I so desperately want him to be the long-awaited franchise QB for this team.

Overall, I just don't see how anyone can say this front office has made wise use of the draft in recent years.[/quote]Carlos Rogers did average more than a pass defended per game. Nothing spectacular, but that's not bad by any stretch of the imagination.

Team's usually get 50-75 total knockdowns in a season (I don't think the Skins got anywhere near this), and most starting corners average 15-20. Carlos is right where he needs to be.

Not bad considering that we likely didnt defense a pass until Week 7.

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[QUOTE=GTripp0012;278894]Carlos Rogers did average more than a pass defended per game. Nothing spectacular, but that's not bad by any stretch of the imagination.

Team's usually get 50-75 total knockdowns in a season (I don't think the Skins got anywhere near this), and most starting corners average 15-20. Carlos is right where he needs to be.

Not bad considering that we likely didnt defense a pass until Week 7.[/QUOTE]

But the problem is that knockdowns or passes defenced are not the measure of a good cornerback. I don't think rational person would try to argue that Carlos Rogers anywhere close to being the caliber player we thought he'd be.

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[quote=Beemnseven;278895]But the problem is that knockdowns or passes defenced are not the measure of a good cornerback. I don't think rational person would try to argue that Carlos Rogers anywhere close to being the caliber player we thought he'd be.[/quote]I agree 100% that knockdowns are a very incomplete measure of CB talent, but I don't see CR as being that far behind in his development. Sure we'd like him to make a few more plays, but it looks like hes going to grow into a consistent starter for us for many years, and that would satisfy me.