Odell Thurman?
 

Says here at the end of the article thats hes not "in the bengals plans" I think Marvin is going to do some serious house cleaning soon and make some examples out of people (Deltha O'neal). What do you guys think about signing Odell hes young a stud MLB but does have some off the feild issues. Just want to know what you all think


[URL="http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2774003"]ESPN.com - NFL - Bengals' Thurman pleads no contest to drunk driving[/URL]

Re: Odell Thurman?
 

I don't know how I feel about it given the fact that Gibbs doesn't tolerate off the field issues very often. However, Joe might feel like he can reach the young man and try to help him grow up. If that's how Gibbs feels, I would love to have him. This kid is a beast. Also, I think getting away from Chris Henry would do him some good, I'm pretty sure they were friends, whatever the case Chris Henry is not any kind of good influence on anybody.

If Joe thinks he can reach him, sign him up!

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anyone cut by the Bengals has some serious character issues. no way

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Dmek he is a YOUNG guy, everyone makes mistakes, and it wasnt Chris Henry bad, hes not getting in trouble over and over. He missed a drug test and got a DUI. No drug use or sale no weapons. Im pretty sure hes aware that he is going to be on a SHORT leash. I think we should get him if at all poss.

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No dice on troubled players. If you can't take life (yours and that of others) seriously you aren't going to take your job seriously. I'm sorry but I'd rather not take on players whose current team doesn't want.

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Yeah.. he's just young. Maybe he can hang out with Sean Taylor.

I know... that's really bad.

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Odell is a young guy but without that big beefy defensive tackle clogging up blockers for him he will be like Lemar Marshall

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He's a loser, I'd stay far away.

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Not to compare him to another problem child, but I recall The Danny taking a flyer on Darrell Russell and that didn't amount to anything good.

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If he on Marvin chopin block, he's BAD NEWS! Have to pass....NO THANKS

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I wouldn't add him to this team any more than I'd add someone with an active case of leprosy and a staph infection.

Let him sign somewhere else and show he can be a law abiding human being for a couple of years and then the Skins can go after him when he becomes a free agent after this contract has run its course...

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i'd want him on the team... i personally don't character has anything to do with getting a DUI

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[QUOTE=Duffman003;279325]...i personally don't [think] character has anything to do with getting a DUI[/QUOTE]

Please elaborate. Your ideas are intriguing to me and I wish to subscribe to your newsletter.

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[quote=Duffman003;279325]i'd want him on the team... i personally don't character has anything to do with getting a DUI[/quote]


How does a DUI not reflect character?

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[quote=Duffman003;279325]i'd want him on the team... i personally don't character has anything to do with getting a DUI[/quote]

I got a DUI when I was 21. We all screw up when we are young. However the drugs concern me. Plus he's been sitting around doing nothing for a year. I'd leave him alone.

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He's had more problems beyond a DUI

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[quote=EARTHQUAKE2689;279338]How does a DUI not reflect character?[/quote]

I know this much. If one random Sunday (say after a Cowboys game), they tested every driver who left FedEx, They would hand out no less than 10,000 DWI's.

I am not sure how a DWI reflects on character. All a DWI proves is that you drink and that you are capable of bad decisions after you drink (there is a revelation). Almost every person that I know who drinks has been behind the wheel at least once when they shouldn't have.

If someone gets a DWI and then never gets behind the wheel after a drink, I would say that person has good character. If someone gets a DWI and continues to drink and drive that would reflect either poor character or an addiction.

As far as the "character" issue regarding players. I think it is overblown and hypocritical. If Sean Taylor beat somebody up this offseason I wouldn't give a damn. If you are a marginal player, your nose better be clean. If you are a freak of nature, nobody including Joe Gibbs or G. Williams, cares if you get in trouble a few times. Just show up on Sunday.

Someone may say, "Well, they suspended Taylor when he received a DWI". So what, I would argue that the spitting incident was a worse reflection on Taylor and the Redskins than a DWI arrest.

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[quote=Duffman003;279325]i'd want him on the team... i personally don't [think] character has anything to do with getting a DUI[/quote]

:laughing2

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If cincy is going to cut him because of his off the field problems that translates into his not good enough to make up for his off the field behavior. I realize they want to clean up their image but they aren't going to be cutting C. Henry anytime soon.

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If this was his first slip-up fine, but it's not his first problem. That's why he has character issues.

One mistake doesn't mean a guy has bad character, repeated mistakes of the same nature means you probably have some issues.

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[QUOTE=saden1;279334]Please elaborate. Your ideas are intriguing to me and I wish to subscribe to your newsletter.[/QUOTE]Ah, one of my favorite Homer Simpson quotes, well played.

I don't know much about Thurman, but if it was just one DUI arrest I wouldn't be terribly afraid to take a chance on him.
As the Bengles cutting him being a sign that he's the worst of the worst, I don't really buy into that. The Bengels have a huge PR nightmare on their hands so they might feel the need to cut someone at the first sign of trouble just to send a message to the rest of the team/league/their fans.

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[quote=Grim21Reaper;279357]I know this much. If one random Sunday (say after a Cowboys game), they tested every driver who left FedEx, They would hand out no less than 10,000 DWI's.

I am not sure how a DWI reflects on character. All a DWI proves is that you drink and that you are capable of bad decisions after you drink (there is a revelation). Almost every person that I know who drinks has been behind the wheel at least once when they shouldn't have.

If someone gets a DWI and then never gets behind the wheel after a drink, I would say that person has good character. If someone gets a DWI and continues to drink and drive that would reflect either poor character or an addiction.

As far as the "character" issue regarding players. I think it is overblown and hypocritical. If Sean Taylor beat somebody up this offseason I wouldn't give a damn. If you are a marginal player, your nose better be clean. If you are a freak of nature, nobody including Joe Gibbs or G. Williams, cares if you get in trouble a few times. Just show up on Sunday.

Someone may say, "Well, they suspended Taylor when he received a DWI". So what, I would argue that the spitting incident was a worse reflection on Taylor and the Redskins than a DWI arrest.[/quote]
The media tends to over-blow certain things. It's more about severity of your infraction, not necessarily quantity of them, and that can be a fairly subjective matter.

In my opinion you've got to judge how it will affect your team in the locker-room. That's the #1 thing. Distractions during the season are the #1 locker-room killer. So when evaluating those with "character" issues. It just comes down to how will it affect your team chemistry...

With that said... Who's got the biggest "character" issues on the redskins right now?

Not the guy with the worst legal rap... nooo IMO it's not Sean Taylor, but rather B-Lloyd that has been isolating himself from the team and causing some locker-room issues. Everyones gotta take character into context.

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To many off the field issues for Odell. London Fletcher, Kawika Mitchell, and Napoleon Harris are much better options at MLB.

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I don't understand the B Lloyd stuff. One week he's a great character guy, then the next he's awful and isolating himself? I still use the interview on EITM with Chris Cooley where Cooley said everyone liked him and this stemmed from an argument with Gibbs about his hat which said **** on it.

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[QUOTE=Daseal;279725]I don't understand the B Lloyd stuff. One week he's a great character guy, then the next he's awful and isolating himself? I still use the interview on EITM with Chris Cooley where Cooley said everyone liked him and this stemmed from an argument with Gibbs about his hat which said **** on it.[/QUOTE]

But you remember Portis' interview with Doc Walker where he basically said at some point you can't keep trying to reach out to a guy (Lloyd) if he's going to keep turning his back on you or something like that.

I think Lloyd will bounce back in 07 though...of course I said the same thing about Patten this year.

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[quote=Daseal;279725]I don't understand the B Lloyd stuff. One week he's a great character guy, then the next he's awful and isolating himself? I still use the interview on EITM with Chris Cooley where Cooley said everyone liked him and this stemmed from an argument with Gibbs about his hat which said **** on it.[/quote]

LLoyd had attitude problems in SF. They couldn't wait to get rid of him. You know he's an a-hole when they bring in A. Bryant to replace LLoyd. The FO simply didn't do any homework on the guy. Now they we are stuck with him.

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[quote=skinsfan69;279745]LLoyd had attitude problems in SF. They couldn't wait to get rid of him. You know he's an a-hole when they bring in A. Bryant to replace LLoyd. The FO simply didn't do any homework on the guy. Now they we are stuck with him.[/quote]I agree completely, even with character issues aside.

Accoring to LaCanfora's end of season article (part 2), Al Saunders wanted Lloyd because he had seen him do things that other receivers had only dreamed of. Imagine if every front office made signings based on nothing but the higlight reel.

Don't know if anyone realized this, but B. Lloyd just had a career year. He didn't even finish the season active, but it was his best year as a pro.

Is a little research on a player really that hard?