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Just saw yet another London Fletcher is as good as signed report on NFL Live but the additional comments were more interesting. Smith stated that we are going to make a trade with the Lions for Dre Bly.

Here's the question, who do we trade. My guess would be Arch, giving him a chance to get back with Mike Martz. Any thoughts fellas?

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like I said before...I'm not really sure what all we have TO trade...this better not be that stupid Portis crap again. No way we are trading him.

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I like Bly, but I haven't heard rumors of him coming here (not lately)

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[QUOTE=Red Robert;280623]Just saw yet another London Fletcher is as good as signed report on NFL Live but the additional comments were more interesting. Smith stated that we are going to make a trade with the Lions for Dre Bly.

Here's the question, who do we trade. My guess would be Arch, giving him a chance to get back with Mike Martz. Any thoughts fellas?[/QUOTE]

Well we can afford to trade Arch but it would be a mighty big hit and really limit our ability to do much else. Maybe a few moves if structured right. I tend to think they are planning on giving Arch one more shot. Get a little value from him and then maybe ditch him next year if all hope is lost. I am willing to give the guy another shot as long as the coaches are on board with using him in the best way possible. Bly doesn't seem like like a guy we'd take a huge cap hit to get even if dumping Arch was part of it.

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I doubt Arch has ANY trade value right now and it'd be a cap killer to deal him. We don't have the picks to trade to get Bly (unless they want a 5th rounder) and the only player commodity we have is Betts who I don't see us dealing.. I call BS on this rumor.

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What do we trade? Knowing us - the 6th pick, our 5th rounder, and Betts for Bly.

Actually, thinking about it. If they do pull the trigger on this one, probably Betts and a late rounder for Bly (not saying it's a good trade, just saying it might be possible).

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right now, I think Betts is worth more than Bly...if anything, I would hope they would give us picks

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betts or a WR is all we have to offer... unless they want a huge contract like springs has. betts and patten have easily moveable contracts. If fletcher is our big signing, we'll need that #6 pick for DL, and we won't have nearly enough for clements after that (unless you want to completely blow up the team in 2 years), so it makes sense we're looking for a trade. bly's pretty solid, but generally GW wants tackling CBs, and he's more coverage.

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[quote=JoeRedskin;280630]What do we trade? Knowing us - the 6th pick, our 5th rounder, and Betts for Bly.

Actually, thinking about it. If they do pull the trigger on this one, probably Betts and a late rounder for Bly (not saying it's a good trade, just saying it might be possible).[/quote]

Betts is more of a Joe Gibbs style running back. Betts has the potential of being a Stephen Davis.... Portis can't handle the North & South running.

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Isn't Bly over 30 by now? If so, I'd be against the move as we are already brining in a vet over 30 who is expected to start.

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[QUOTE=Redskin Rich;280637]Betts is more of a Joe Gibbs style running back. Betts has the potential of being a Stephen Davis.... Portis can't handle the North & South running.[/QUOTE]

Portis seemed to handle it just fine in '05. Betts needs to learn how to hold onto the football (after costing us 3 games last year) before I'll give him the props due a starting RB.

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Yeah, for some reason, I'm not crazy about bringing in Dre Bly either. Maybe someone can convince me otherwise.

The fact that there could be a "trade" involved to get him makes me even more uneasy. If that's the case, that would indicate that Bly is still under contract with the Lions. Aren't there any other corners around the league we could swap for?

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dre bly is like one step up from pac man. thanks but no thanks

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[quote=Beemnseven;280656]Yeah, for some reason, I'm not crazy about bringing in Dre Bly either. Maybe someone can convince me otherwise.

The fact that there could be a "trade" involved to get him makes me even more uneasy. If that's the case, that would indicate that Bly is still under contract with the Lions. Aren't there any other corners around the league we could swap for?[/quote]

brandon lloyd for walt harris :P

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It sounds like to me that the madness is about to start all over again. Isn't March our Super Bowl month?

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[quote=dmek25;280659]dre bly is like one step up from pac man. thanks but no thanks[/quote]

I have heard that he has an attitude problem.

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[url=http://www.nfl.com/combine/story/10023456]NFL.com - NFL News[/url]

sounds like he may be going to Denver...

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[quote=Redskin Rich;280637]Betts is more of a Joe Gibbs style running back. Betts has the potential of being a Stephen Davis.... Portis can't handle the North & South running.[/quote]


that is f-ing retarded....i am sick of comments that clinton portis isnt a joe gibbs running back...what are you talking about here...i want a description of what is...cant handle the north south running??? are you freaking crazy!!! i am outraged at these comments...all clinton portis has done his whole career is run north south, if anything he cant run the sweeps and pitches like ladel...but in between the tackles give me clinton portis and you take betts and i garuntee you joe gibbs would too....you havent played a down of football in your life if you cant see whos a better back and what clinton portis does best is run downhill!!!! go all the way back to miami where they ran zone blocking, denver where they ran zone blocking, when he started that streak last year they ran zone blocking......he never ran east and west always north and south

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[QUOTE=holcknowsbest;280689]that is f-ing retarded....i am sick of comments that clinton portis isnt a joe gibbs running back...what are you talking about here...i want a description of what is...cant handle the north south running??? are you freaking crazy!!! i am outraged at these comments...all clinton portis has done his whole career is run north south, if anything he cant run the sweeps and pitches like ladel...but in between the tackles give me clinton portis and you take betts and i garuntee you joe gibbs would too....you havent played a down of football in your life if you cant see whos a better back and what clinton portis does best is run downhill!!!! go all the way back to miami where they ran zone blocking, denver where they ran zone blocking, when he started that streak last year they ran zone blocking......he never ran east and west always north and south[/QUOTE]

I agree that Clinton has proven time and again he can run North-South, East-West, North by Northwest. But perhaps there was a more tactful way of expressing your discontent with the previous comment.

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[QUOTE=skinsfan69;280662]It sounds like to me that the madness is about to start all over again. Isn't March our Super Bowl month?[/QUOTE]

The problem is, we're in a position where we [I]have[/I] to try to make some moves.

If we do nothing and stick with what we have, then prepare yourself for another 5-11 record, or worse.

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[QUOTE=Beemnseven;280700]The problem is, we're in a position where we [I]have[/I] to try to make some moves.

If we do nothing and stick with what we have, then prepare yourself for another 5-11 record, or worse.[/QUOTE]

I honestly can't see us picking up more than Fletcher and 1-2 other average starters. I simply do not think that our cap situation will allow us to compete with other teams who can front-load deals for top-notch FAs. We're not cap hell, but it's not exactly the cap heavan that most other teams are in.

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[quote=Beemnseven;280700]The problem is, we're in a position where we [I]have[/I] to try to make some moves.

If we do nothing and stick with what we have, then prepare yourself for another 5-11 record, or worse.[/quote]

Everyone wants a quick fix. Becasue of past blunders, this could be a 2-3 year rebuilding job on defense. Everyone needs to be patient.

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[QUOTE=skinsfan69;280762]Everyone wants a quick fix. Becasue of past blunders, this could be a 2-3 year rebuilding job on defense. Everyone needs to be patient.[/QUOTE]


Well, I want us to be better in 2007. Does that qualify as wanting a quick fix? I don't think signing Fletcher to a modest contract represents the recklessness we've seen in recent years. Unfortunately, he's not coming here for peanuts. And now it looks like he's not a sure bet to come here anyway.

I don't know if we have all draft picks lined up in 2008 -- I certainly hope they're all there. I figure we do what we can in free agency this year with a linebacker or two, a defensive back, and that's probably all we'll be able to afford. But whatever they do, they MUST leave the '08 draft picks INTACT.

If they start giving away next year's picks for guys like Rocky McIntosh (and boy, wouldn't the 38th overall pick in the 2nd round work great for us this year) then they haven't learned.

I agree, patience counts. And I'm under no delusions that our dreadful defense will be shored up in one offseason. But drafting a stud at defensive tackle, getting a sure-tackling veteran at MLB, and (this is where I leave for Fantasy World) landing a come-out-of-nowhere wonder in the secondary might just right the ship for 2007 -- and we haven't mortgaged the future to do it.

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[QUOTE=Beemnseven;280770]Well, I want us to be better in 2007. Does that qualify as wanting a quick fix? I don't think signing Fletcher to a modest contract represents the recklessness we've seen in recent years. Unfortunately, he's not coming here for peanuts. And now it looks like he's not a sure bet to come here anyway.

I don't know if we have all draft picks lined up in 2008 -- I certainly hope they're all there. I figure we do what we can in free agency this year with a linebacker or two, a defensive back, and that's probably all we'll be able to afford. But whatever they do, they MUST leave the '08 draft picks INTACT.

If they start giving away next year's picks for guys like Rocky McIntosh (and boy, wouldn't the 38th overall pick in the 2nd round work great for us this year) then they haven't learned.

I agree, patience counts. And I'm under no delusions that our dreadful defense will be shored up in one offseason. But drafting a stud at defensive tackle, getting a sure-tackling veteran at MLB, and (this is where I leave for Fantasy World) landing a come-out-of-nowhere wonder in the secondary might just right the ship for 2007 -- and we haven't mortgaged the future to do it.[/QUOTE]

I thik the Fletcher deal is more likely to happen than not (barring some miracle by the Bills). All this talk in PFT of a deal not being done was probably "leaked" by someone close to Fletcher or the Redskins so as not to create a speculation of tampering

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If we wait Bly will be cut and of story.We don't need to trade for him if he's cut.

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what is plan B if Fletcher is signed by the Bills?

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[quote=AlvinWalton'sNeckBrace;280785]what is plan B if Fletcher is signed by the Bills?[/quote]

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[QUOTE=AlvinWalton'sNeckBrace;280785]what is plan B if Fletcher is signed by the Bills?[/QUOTE]

Good question. That's when we turn to our handy-dandy little list compiled by Matty as the top free agent linebacker prospects in 2007 guide. And here they are:

Lance Briggs, UFA, Chicago Bears [B](gone - franchised, I think)[/B]
Na'il Diggs, UFA, Carolina Panthers
Cato June, UFA, Indianapolis Colts
Adalius Thomas, UFA, Baltimore Ravens [B](not happening, too pricey)[/B]
London Fletcher UFA Buffalo Bills [B](our best bet)[/B]
Chase Blackburn, ERFA, New York Giants
Chad Brown, UFA, Pittsburgh Steelers
James Darling, UFA, Arizona Cardinals
Randall Godfrey, UFA, San Diego Chargers
Kawika Mitchell, UFA, Kansas City Chiefs
Rob Morris, UFA, Indianapolis Colts

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Joe Gibbs always praises Portis all the time. Everyone knows Portis is going to be a HOF RB. As for Dre Bly I agree im not sold on him either i'd rather have smooty smoot and another CB.

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[QUOTE=Beemnseven;280791]Good question. That's when we turn to our handy-dandy little list compiled by Matty as the top free agent linebacker prospects in 2007 guide. And here they are:

Lance Briggs, UFA, Chicago Bears [B](gone - franchised, I think)[/B]
Na'il Diggs, UFA, Carolina Panthers
Cato June, UFA, Indianapolis Colts
Adalius Thomas, UFA, Baltimore Ravens [B](not happening, too pricey)[/B]
London Fletcher UFA Buffalo Bills [B](our best bet)[/B]
Chase Blackburn, ERFA, New York Giants
Chad Brown, UFA, Pittsburgh Steelers
James Darling, UFA, Arizona Cardinals
Randall Godfrey, UFA, San Diego Chargers
Kawika Mitchell, UFA, Kansas City Chiefs
Rob Morris, UFA, Indianapolis Colts[/QUOTE]

Out of that list, if L. Fletcher is gone, I wouldnt mind seeing C. June come aboard...

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[quote=Beemnseven;280700]The problem is, we're in a position where we [I]have[/I] to try to make some moves.

If we do nothing and stick with what we have, then prepare yourself for another 5-11 record, or worse.[/quote]

I disagree. I seriously believe even if we had the same exact players as last year we would be a 9+ win team this year. why, you ask? well, first of all the offense will be in a much more comfortable position, as a matter of fact I think its gonna being almost unstopable Secondly, our defense couldnt possibly repeat last years performance......

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I agree with the last statement.

Also with the lower picks maybe we should think WR, because with these insane contracts that are gonna catch up with us, we are gonna have to cut Lloyd and Randle El eventually.

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[quote=SkinEmAll;280818]I disagree. I seriously believe even if we had the same exact players as last year we would be a 9+ win team this year. why, you ask? well, first of all the offense will be in a much more comfortable position, as a matter of fact I think its gonna being almost unstopable Secondly, our defense couldnt possibly repeat last years performance......[/quote]

Remember that Williams took a defense that finished #25 in 2003 and had them finish #3 in 2004. That year we traded away Champ Bailey, Trotter, and Armistead. Our star LB Lavar Arrington was sidelined all year, and Mike Barrow, the guy who was supposed to be our star replacement for Trotter, never saw the field. (And don't even get me started on what people expected our d-line to be like against the run).

My point is that we really don't know what we will play like until the season starts or what (or who) we might stumble onto (Pierce).

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Dre Bly is a good player. He went to the Pro Bowl two years ago, didn't he? Also, he's had 6 interceptions for 3 seasons out of 8 -- and at least 3 in all but one (2). He's getting old, but maybe that's good reason for a modest contract.

I'd be happy to get him, for a reasonable price.

[url=http://www.nfl.com/players/playerpage/133227]NFL.com - Dre' Bly[/url]

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[quote=holcknowsbest;280689]that is f-ing retarded....i am sick of comments that clinton portis isnt a joe gibbs running back...what are you talking about here...i want a description of what is...cant handle the north south running??? are you freaking crazy!!! i am outraged at these comments...all clinton portis has done his whole career is run north south, if anything he cant run the sweeps and pitches like ladel...but in between the tackles give me clinton portis and you take betts and i garuntee you joe gibbs would too....you havent played a down of football in your life if you cant see whos a better back and what clinton portis does best is run downhill!!!! go all the way back to miami where they ran zone blocking, denver where they ran zone blocking, when he started that streak last year they ran zone blocking......he never ran east and west always north and south[/quote]

Agreed that Portis IS a Gibbs back, that's whay JG made the trade for him.
But you're wrong about zone blocking; the Skins didn't employ any until midseason 06. There was an article in the Wash. Post about it & I remember discussing it here. Bugel was resistant to it but Saunders likes it.
The beneficiary of zone blocking was Betts, he had some huge holes to hit. Wait till we see Portis hit those kind of holes!! Cross your fingers that we re sign Dock!

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I'm not sure if I agree with siging two 30 year old FAs. I feel that this is going to lead to problems a few years from now. How many productive years do you think we'll get out of Bly and Fletcher? And, IMO, with each year their production is going to drop off.
It seems to me that once again we're diggin ourselves a hole. If we sign Bly we're going to have two old CBs in him and Springs. When they can't play anymore, we're going to be faced with the same problem of not having a good corner.
In addition, Fletcher is also getting old, and Marcus Washington is going to be 30 soon as well. Once again, we're going to be facing the problem a few years down the road of having too many old players whose productio is dropping off, instead of a young guys who are coming into their prime. In addition, our defensive line is getting old.
I think we should only sign one of these guys. Then we should try to sign some young guys who we can develop or fill these positions in the draft.

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I've gotta say that the move for Fletcher makes sense even though he's old because there's no one else on the FA market who plays MLB as well, we don't have the draft picks to draft a MLB, and we need a new MLB.

But I will be really pissed if we get another old defensive player. Absolutely everyone knows that our defense is aging fast and needs an infusion of youth. We have maybe five young defensive players in Rogers, Taylor, Golston, Carter, and McIntosh with any promise and not one of them has developed into a true stud. If our defense totally collapses in a year or so, the coaching staff will have no one to blame but themselves.

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I agree that young players are generally better. However, we don't have draft picks. We won't be able to add young talent until next year (as long as we keep our picks).

That is why we must sign old(er) players now, if we are going to sign anybody this year. It's all about the contract. I couldn't care less if a guy is old, as long as we don't sign him to a long term deal. We must be reasonable. If we overpay for anyone, it should be somebody young with lots of promise.

I wouldn't be opposed to signing Fletcher and Bly for no more than 3 year deals at a reasonable price for their age and skill level.

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[quote=GhettoDogAllStars;280947]I agree that young players are generally better. However, we don't have draft picks. We won't be able to add young talent until next year (as long as we keep our picks).

That is why we must sign old(er) players now, if we are going to sign anybody this year. It's all about the contract. I couldn't care less if a guy is old, as long as we don't sign him to a long term deal. We must be reasonable. If we overpay for anyone, it should be somebody young with lots of promise.

I wouldn't be opposed to signing Fletcher and Bly for no more than 3 year deals at a reasonable price for their age and skill level.[/quote]

Agreed.

Unless we trade down for additional picks our draft is very limited this year so we'll have to address most of our needs in free agency. We just need to be smarter about who we go after.

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[quote=Sheriff Gonna Getcha;280921]I've gotta say that the move for Fletcher makes sense even though he's old because there's no one else on the FA market who plays MLB as well, we don't have the draft picks to draft a MLB, and we need a new MLB.

But I will be really pissed if we get another old defensive player. Absolutely everyone knows that our defense is aging fast and needs an infusion of youth. We have maybe five young defensive players in Rogers, Taylor, Golston, Carter, and McIntosh with any promise and not one of them has developed into a true stud. If our defense totally collapses in a year or so, the coaching staff will have no one to blame but themselves.[/quote]

well, our dead cap and stupid signings have already severely limited the skins buying power this offseason, and over the next few years it's probably going to be worse anyways.