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LaCanfora's reporting in his blog that Brunell and the 'Skins have essentially agreed on a restructured deal.

After this year, the rest of the contract will void and he'll become a free agent.

LaCanfora doesn't have specific figures yet, but seems to indicate that this saves the team somewhere between $2 and $3 million.

Without a restructure, we could have saved $2.1 million by cutting Brunell this year. Sounds like we're going to save a little bit more than that this year, and when his contract voids next year, we'll absorb $3.1 million in deadcap space for 2008.

[url=http://blog.washingtonpost.com/redskinsinsider/2007/02/brunell_is_back.html]Brunell Is Back - Redskins Insider[/url]

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To bad he is not a free agent now... that is a guy that needs to retire.

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I love MB. What a great guy he is for restructuring his deal...

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[quote=Redskin Rich;281420]To bad he is not a free agent now... that is a guy that needs to retire.[/quote]We'd be in bad shape if JC can't start 16 games.

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[quote=GTripp0012;281429]We'd be in bad shape if JC can't start 16 games.[/quote]


we will be but this is good now we need to sign dock

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Barring a visit to the fountain of youth he'll probably retire next year.

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Haven't heard all the details but it sounds like that bastard Brunell took a paycut on this a little. If true I don't know how we'll recover from this latest example of Brunell screwing our team.

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[quote=hesscl34;281422]I love MB. What a great guy he is for restructuring his deal...[/quote]

What a great guy? Please, did he leave any money on the table? And if he did, he possibly would have taken a bigger pay cut elsewhere.

Trust me, it's all business with these guys.

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What piece of Crap. He duped us again. That worthless "no hit Takin", dump off doing, Limp arm, SOB hosed us again by re-structuring for less $$$!!! He and Gibbs are connected at the alter, or he never could have gotten a job!!!!!!!!!!!
that should pretty much cover it......right. Oh yea, one more thing.

thanx, Mark

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[quote=FRPLG;281442]Haven't heard all the details but it sounds like that bastard Brunell took a paycut on this a little. If true I don't know how we'll recover from this latest example of Brunell screwing our team.[/quote]

Whoa... Brunell is a stand up guy and does NOT deserve this bashing. I cannot believe some of you. WITH him we made to the playoffs, FINALLY. I'm glad he's our back up. He knows Moss, he knows the plays... and he's a good person.

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[quote=12thMan;281444]What a great guy? Please, did he leave any money on the table? And if he did, he possibly would have taken a bigger pay cut elsewhere.

Trust me, it's all business with these guys.[/quote]

He IS a great guy.. and person.

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[quote=hesscl34;281446]Whoa... Brunell is a stand up guy and does NOT deserve this bashing. I cannot believe some of you. WITH him we made to the playoffs, FINALLY. I'm glad he's our back up. He knows Moss, he knows the plays... and he's a good person.[/quote]He was being sarcastic.

But FRPLG is right. Some people are stupid and ignorant enough to think along those lines. They will show their colors soon.

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Hessy, let's be real for a minute...and I'll try to leave it at this...but this guy got a huge ****HUGE***contract for one good season and a couple of very average ones. Don't tell me what a great guy he is.

If he was so great, we would have gotten his a** on the cheap from jump street!

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[quote=12thMan;281444]What a great guy? Please, did he leave any money on the table? And if he did, he possibly would have taken a bigger pay cut elsewhere.

Trust me, it's all business with these guys.[/quote]Does it matter? We get the cap relief that we would have gotten if we cut him AND we got to keep our veteran backup.

This is a great deal for the team. The Brunell blinders have the ability to skew even the simplest picture.

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He did a better job than a lot QBs in the NFL... enough said.

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[quote=hesscl34;281455]He did a better job than a lot QBs in the NFL... enough said.[/quote]People don't remember this part. They just remember "dr dumpoff".

Completing passes is always a good thing. Always. Dumping the ball off is the safest way to have a successful offense.

It's not the greatest highest offensive good, that's scoring touchdowns. But completing passes [SIZE=4][B]is the quarterbacks job[/B][/SIZE]!

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[QUOTE=12thMan;281452]Hessy, let's be real for a minute...and I'll try to leave it at this...but this guy got a huge ****HUGE***contract for one good season and a couple of very average ones. Don't tell me what a great guy he is.

If he was so great, we would have gotten his a** on the cheap from jump street![/QUOTE]

WORD. You're right. I doubt he gave up any money. He probably just got more of it sooner.

I'm not saying he's a bad guy. But, I'm not saying he's a good guy either.

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Then people suck.... He wasn't perfect, but he did a decent job.

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[quote=12thMan;281452]Hessy, let's be real for a minute...and I'll try to leave it at this...but this guy got a huge ****HUGE***contract for one good season and a couple of very average ones. Don't tell me what a great guy he is.

If he was so great, we would have gotten his a** on the cheap from jump street![/quote]


It's NOT his fault they threw a BIG CHUNK of cash at him is it?

That's on the front office NOT BRUNELL, what would you do turn down the big check? I DON'T THINK SO

Cheaper to keep him this year, with the restructure!

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For those who think that Gibbs is too close to his players to do business:

Explain why Brunell's contract automatically voids at the end of the season.

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[QUOTE=hesscl34;281446]Whoa... Brunell is a stand up guy and does NOT deserve this bashing. I cannot believe some of you. WITH him we made to the playoffs, FINALLY. I'm glad he's our back up. He knows Moss, he knows the plays... and he's a good person.[/QUOTE]

Yeah I was joking.

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[QUOTE=GTripp0012;281469]For those who think that Gibbs is too close to his players to do business:

Explain why Brunell's contract automatically voids at the end of the season.[/QUOTE]

Because Gibbs is going to hire him as QB coach! duh.

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MB is a good guy and i wish he was 10 years younger. However, no disrespect, but signing MB to the contract we did was a massive, huge mistake. He had lost his starting job for someone else. Had we signed him to a fair deal and not "annointed" him our starter i might be able to understand the signing. Bad move that i didn't understand at the time and still don't.

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[QUOTE=GTripp0012;281469]For those who think that Gibbs is too close to his players to do business:

Explain why Brunell's contract automatically voids at the end of the season.[/QUOTE]

Well the way I see it, that mofo bastard Brunell will now have the greatest season in the history of the QB position and we'll be left with nothing at the end of the year when the Colts sign him to replace Peyton Manning. Damned Brunell always getting one up on us.

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[quote=redsk1;281473]MB is a good guy and i wish he was 10 years younger. However, no disrespect, but signing MB to the contract we did was a massive, huge mistake. He had lost his starting job for someone else. Had we signed him to a fair deal and not "annointed" him our starter i might be able to understand the signing. Bad move that i didn't understand at the time and still don't.[/quote]The compensation and value of the contract was too high. But we've made this same mistake many times since. The difference is that we got a good deal of return on Brunell whereas Carter and Archuleta and Patten and espicially Lloyd have given us nothing.

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[quote=GTripp0012;281479]The compensation and value of the contract was too high. But we've made this same mistake many times since. The difference is that we got a good deal of return on Brunell whereas Carter and Archuleta and Patten and espicially Lloyd have given us nothing.[/quote]\\:food-smil

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The Ring of Shame Game: Redskins 14 Cowboys 7

Thanks Mark!

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[quote=JoeRedskin;281489]The Ring of Shame Game: Redskins 14 Cowboys 7

Thanks Mark![/quote]


That was a true flash back in time for Mark. Mark to Santana in BIG D..
What a beautiful thing! HOW BOUT THEM COWGIRLS!
I second that.....thanks a ton for that one Mark!

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[quote=GTripp0012;281479]The compensation and value of the contract was too high. But we've made this same mistake many times since. The difference is that we got a good deal of return on Brunell whereas Carter and Archuleta and Patten and espicially Lloyd have given us nothing.[/quote]

I thought you were in the "Carter really came on late in the season" faction. Maybe that was the Sheriff. And why "especially Lloyd"? He was nowhere near the embaraasment A.A. was

I'm glad Brunell could help us out. I don't think we've heard the last from him. I hope not. Its fun watching the haters come unglued when he has any success. As the backup, he is set up to succeed. No pressure. No media. Who wants to bet me he has a higher QB rating in the preseason than Campbell?

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[quote=70Chip;281498]I thought you were in the "Carter really came on late in the season" faction. Maybe that was the Sheriff. And why "especially Lloyd"? He was nowhere near the embaraasment A.A. was

I'm glad Brunell could help us out. I don't think we've heard the last from him. I hope not. Its fun watching the haters come unglued when he has any success. As the backup, he is set up to succeed. No pressure. No media. Who wants to bet me he has a higher QB rating in the preseason than Campbell?[/quote]You know 70 Chip, I'm going to be honest with you and I don't want to come off ignorant or wishy washy, but-

I have no idea what my position of Carter the player is. It seems to change as rapidly as the emotions of my PMSing girlfriend (relax, hess--its a joke). I do know that the financial implications around him are very important. We can't afford to cut [U]multiple[/U] members of the 2006 FA class before the conclusion of the 2008 season. At that point, the backloaded contracts we gave them may start to press our cap situation. Knowing that for the next two years at least, we are stuck with at least 2 out of the 3 (and they all must have 53 man roster spots), I know we must get return on the investment. Must. If we are going to make them all backups, then guys deserving of a roster spot have to go to make room for draft picks. So put me in the "we have to make this Carter thing work" and "Arch deserves a shot to earn the starting role back" groups. ROI (return on investment) is very important when you lock up 50 million in guarenteed money in a FA class.

I don't think anyone understand's my pro-Brunell arguments better than you and Mheisig...and that guy hasn't been around here in forever. Brunell (as we all predicted before last season) did a better job in his 9 starts then Campbell did in his 7. Obviously, Brunell will not be improving as a passer anytime soon, and this franchise is lucky to have had an oppertunity to pull off such a smooth QB transition. And you know as well as I that at no point along this transition did Brunell lose his head for the game. I expect Brunell to continue to produce at an above average level if he's called on (about 4 DPAR/G for those sabre-junkies out there). I don't think Campbell is there yet, but I expect Campbell to exceed this level next season. His last two starts were very, very promising. He appeared to "get it".

And to an extent, it would be somewhat satisfying to see Brunell get a win sometime next season. The reaction around here would be priceless! It shouldn't have to come to that though.

Regarding AA and Lloyd, AA has done it in this league. Lloyd never has. We gave up two mid round draft picks to get Lloyd making it the worse of the two moves. I hold out hope that Arch can redeem himself next season--or at least tackle someone. Lloyd is garbage.

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[quote=hesscl34;281460]Then people suck.... He wasn't perfect, but he did a decent job.[/quote]

then the last time i looked in the mirror mark brunel was still there..

that was nice of him and he has been a gentleman about this whole deal really and i will give him that.

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Glad to hear its done.We need a backup and it helps our cap number.

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[quote=GTripp0012;281519]You know 70 Chip, I'm going to be honest with you and I don't want to come off ignorant or wishy washy, but-

I have no idea what my position of Carter the player is. It seems to change as rapidly as the emotions of my PMSing girlfriend (relax, hess--its a joke). I do know that the financial implications around him are very important. We can't afford to cut [U]multiple[/U] members of the 2006 FA class before the conclusion of the 2008 season. At that point, the backloaded contracts we gave them may start to press our cap situation. Knowing that for the next two years at least, we are stuck with at least 2 out of the 3 (and they all must have 53 man roster spots), I know we must get return on the investment. Must. If we are going to make them all backups, then guys deserving of a roster spot have to go to make room for draft picks. So put me in the "we have to make this Carter thing work" and "Arch deserves a shot to earn the starting role back" groups. ROI (return on investment) is very important when you lock up 50 million in guarenteed money in a FA class.

I don't think anyone understand's my pro-Brunell arguments better than you and Mheisig...and that guy hasn't been around here in forever. Brunell (as we all predicted before last season) did a better job in his 9 starts then Campbell did in his 7. Obviously, Brunell will not be improving as a passer anytime soon, and this franchise is lucky to have had an oppertunity to pull off such a smooth QB transition. And you know as well as I that at no point along this transition did Brunell lose his head for the game. I expect Brunell to continue to produce at an above average level if he's called on (about 4 DPAR/G for those sabre-junkies out there). I don't think Campbell is there yet, but I expect Campbell to exceed this level next season. His last two starts were very, very promising. He appeared to "get it".

And to an extent, it would be somewhat satisfying to see Brunell get a win sometime next season. The reaction around here would be priceless! It shouldn't have to come to that though.

Regarding AA and Lloyd, AA has done it in this league. Lloyd never has. We gave up two mid round draft picks to get Lloyd making it the worse of the two moves. I hold out hope that Arch can redeem himself next season--or at least tackle someone. Lloyd is garbage.[/quote]


Good Post. I agree that sometimes you have to lie in the bed you make even though it sucks. I think Carter has great athletic ability but they have to scheme better against the power running game if he is going to play every down. Either that or he needs to talk to the Pittsburgh doctor. He's a good pass rusher and he made a few spectacular plays with his speed. Maybe he and Arch will dazzle this season.

I agree that a Brunell relief win would almost be worth his contract in terms of taunting the haters.

Perhaps I am in denial about Lloyd because I want us to have a physically big reciever. I was for signing him. Wanted to ditch him after the Jax game, which was a game in which he had a big catch, and then kind of got tired of the whole thing. I think my quote after the Jax game was that if there was a tree growing on the field, Lloyd would jump up in it to avoid getting hit. I don't know. I think he could be like an Alvin Harper. That's the thing. On a winning team you can find a role for Lloyd or Arch and Carter may well be a Pro Bowler. On a losing team they are what we see them as. If we could just get a few wins, I think they all might look better.

BTW, your post makes it sound like Hesscl34 is your girlfriend.

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Mark is a classy guy. He didn't have to give up any money. I would trust him to back up Campbell over Todd Collins anyday. At least Mark has proven he can get a team to the playoffs. What has Collins proven to us? Absolutely nothing.

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[quote=12thMan;281444]What a great guy? Please, did he leave any money on the table? And if he did, he possibly would have taken a bigger pay cut elsewhere.

Trust me, it's all business with these guys.[/quote]
He didn't have to do anything.

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I was reading that Ramsey will be a free agent so I guess a few MB hatters will want for us to go after him.

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I'm glad to hear this deal got done too. Brunell will be gone after next year, and plus, he's been with us for 3 seasons now and he'll be in Saunders system for a second year. he's not gonna get any experience, but he's not the worst backup in the league.

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Man, all this Brunell hate just goes on and on and on. Sure, he had some awful games as a Redskins (had some great one too) and his initial contract was worth a crapload of money (not his fault and he has restructured repeatedly)

But damn the way people talk about him you'd think he pissed on his wife...or set up a hidden camera to videotape his wife's sister...or put a hit out on his pregnant wife...or some of his blood was found the near the crime scene of the murder of his ex-wife and some waiter...or he ran over a cop with his car...or he threatened to kill a bouncer...and so on. (so how long until we see Law & Order: NFL?)

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[quote=TAFKAS;281635]Man, all this Brunell hate just goes on and on and on. Sure, he had some awful games as a Redskins (had some great one too) and his initial contract was worth a crapload of money (not his fault and he has restructured repeatedly)

But damn the way people talk about him you'd think he pissed on his wife...or set up a hidden camera to videotape his wife's sister...or put a hit out on his pregnant wife...or some of his blood was found the near the crime scene of the murder of his ex-wife and some waiter...or he ran over a cop with his car...or he threatened to kill a bouncer...and so on. (so how long until we see Law & Order: NFL?)[/quote]


I think Tafkas has become very protective of Mark Brunell and I for one will not talk anymore smack about him until he does something stupid like play again in an NFL game.

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I'd feel as comfortable with Brunell coming off the bench as about any other backup given the situation. Just as long as Gibbs knows that no matter how good he plays that is exactly what he is.....a backup.