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[url=http://www.redskins.com/news/newsDetail.jsp?id=25059]New Deals: Sellers, Thomas[/url]

Nice, rewarding the meat on offense is always a good start. Now we just need Dock signed!

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I like it, but does this save us any space under this year's cap?

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Needed to be done. Good job!

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Wow, keeping "core" Skins.

Dock? What's up?

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It really does seem they are getting the 'other' deals out of the way first in order to get to Dock's bigger contract.

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Sellers is a beast, glad to see they gave an extension where its due. Thomas also a good thing to do.

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From what is flyin' all over the web, Doc may be to pricey $$$$$$$$$

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[quote=12thMan;282501]It really does seem they are getting the 'other' deals out of the way first in order to get to Dock's bigger contract.[/quote]This is a good thing IMO. I don't think investing in one player and consequently letting 5 or so other players walk--just so we can send a message to the rest of the team--sends the right message.

We have a lot of role guys who had their deals expire this year, and if Dockery thinks hes more deserving of money than these guys, simply because he started and they didnt, then he probably shouldn't be a Skin anymore.

Next up: bring back Ade Jimoh!

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I guess they havent disclosed the terms yet? I dont think Dock is going to get what he is asking from anyone. I still have faith in Dannys check book to get him re-signed.

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[quote=skinsWill;282513]I guess they havent disclosed the terms yet? I dont think Dock is going to get what he is asking from anyone. I still have faith in Dannys check book to get him re-signed.[/quote]


I think it will be a shame not to resign Dockery. He has turned into a dominant run blocker, which if you are trying to have a run first offense, would seem a pretty big priority. Plus the guy is so young and has many years left to improve. Plus the cohesion of this offensive line has been remarkable. they performed as good or better than any O line in the league. I think it sends a wrong message to the other guys on this team, that they are willing to overpay for unproven players (Randel el, Lloyd,Carter) and overpay for veterans (arch,apparently Fletcher) and not pay their own players they draft. Dock will get paid by another team if we are not willing to give a fair deal to him. There are a lot of teams out there that will pay him if we wont.

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What I think they're doing now is atoning for their mistakes. If they overpay for Dockery, then the cycle continues.

What I DO think is fair however, is for the Skins to match the top deal he gets offered from another team. That way the Skins can prove they are showing some loyalty and Dock will get HIS chance to prove it as well.

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I agree that we should match an offer. Overall, I think this team should sign dockery over a big name FA (like say Clemente), but not over some of these role players. 5 role players (whose summed salaries wont be as big of a cap hit) outweigh Dockery being a primadonna. If dock goes we might still be able to chase one big name FA, in addition to fletcher

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Dock is looking for the big payday...we can't give that. If the market drops for Dock, maybe we'll be able to woo him back, but I am doubtful.

I am glad to hear that Clements is pretty much too expensive for us, because it means, for the first time, that it is possible for a player to be too expensive for us!

Cheaper FAs, trade down in the draft, and work with what we got. Hope we land smooty, and that he's ready to re-establish his career.

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Two true Redskins.
Regardless of any cap savings, I'm glad they did this. Thomas is our best lineman, and Sellers is nothing but a football player cut from the old mold.
Very happy with this.

~Bang

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Not only that, I'm happy to see they're anticipating the contracts going up exponentially. Good to sign him now before the inflation later on.

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[quote=#56fanatic;282519]I think it will be a shame not to resign Dockery. He has turned into a dominant run blocker, which if you are trying to have a run first offense, would seem a pretty big priority. Plus the guy is so young and has many years left to improve. Plus the cohesion of this offensive line has been remarkable. they performed as good or better than any O line in the league. I think it sends a wrong message to the other guys on this team, that they are willing to overpay for unproven players (Randel el, Lloyd,Carter) and overpay for veterans (arch,apparently Fletcher) and not pay their own players they draft. Dock will get paid by another team if we are not willing to give a fair deal to him. There are a lot of teams out there that will pay him if we wont.[/quote]
I agree it will be a shame but until we some idea what he is asking for there is just no way of knowing who's draging this along him or our front office. I'm glad to see the resignings and would like to see us use Sellors mors around the goal line. I think that in )^ we did not use him as we did in 05 which we should have.

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I know some people may never understand this, but we can't bust the bank on Dockery. If he wants a signing bonus of $17M forget about it, he's just not worth it. Let someone else overpay for a slightly above average player.

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[quote=Mattyk72;282558]I know some people may never understand this, but we can't bust the bank on Dockery. If he wants a signing bonus of $17M forget about it, he's just not worth it. Let someone else overpay for a slightly above average player.[/quote]After CC updates his cap sheets to include our FA class, I think I'm going to crunch the 2008/2009 numbers just to show everyone just how right you are.

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I like the idea of re-signing Fox. Insurance policy for Archuleta.

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We're always wishing the Skins would be more financially responsible... but for some reason that has gone out the window lately when talking about Dockery.

He's not a player you look at and say we need to sign this guy at any cost.

Yes, continuity and rewarding your own are important things, but with the crazy deals that will be coming down this offseason we need to keep things in perspective. I mean c'mon, Nate Clements getting a bonus of $24M??!! That is freaking insane!

Dockery is the 5th best lineman we have... at best he's tied for 4th best with Rabach. He isn't irreplaceable. Far from it.

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[quote=Mattyk72;282569]We're always wishing the Skins would be more financially responsible... but for some reason that has gone out the window lately when talking about Dockery.

He's not a player you look at and say we need to sign this guy at any cost.

Yes, continuity and rewarding your own are important things, but with the crazy deals that will be coming down this offseason we need to keep things in perspective.

Dockery is the 5th best lineman we have... at best he's tied for 4th best with Rabach. He isn't irreplaceable. Far from it.[/quote]Question is, who do we replace him with? Previous lower round draftees, haven't impressed coaches much. Does this point to trading for another day one pick?

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[quote=Mattyk72;282569]We're always wishing the Skins would be more financially responsible... but for some reason that has gone out the window lately when talking about Dockery.

He's not a player you look at and say we need to sign this guy at any cost.

Yes, continuity and rewarding your own are important things, but with the crazy deals that will be coming down this offseason we need to keep things in perspective. I mean c'mon, Nate Clements getting a bonus of $24M??!! That is freaking insane!

Dockery is the 5th best lineman we have... at best he's tied for 4th best with Rabach. He isn't irreplaceable. Far from it.[/quote]

Yeah but the price of a competent free agent guard isn't going to go down next season. Teams aren't going to look back on this season and say "man what were we thinking, we should pay these players less."

Next year, a competent free agent like Dockery will command $14 million instead of $12 million.

You want to get away from paying through the nose for competent players, then we have to get more draft centric (which I know everyone wants around here). But keep in mind, contracts for draft picks are going up, too. The increasing salary cap is causing these higher contracts; rising tides lift all boats.

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[quote=Schneed10;282574]Yeah but the price of a competent free agent guard isn't going to go down next season. Teams aren't going to look back on this season and say "man what were we thinking, we should pay these players less."

Next year, a competent free agent like Dockery will command $14 million instead of $12 million.

You want to get away from paying through the nose for competent players, then we have to get more draft centric (which I know everyone wants around here). But keep in mind, contracts for draft picks are going up, too. The increasing salary cap is causing these higher contracts; rising tides lift all boats.[/quote]

Would you give Dockery $17M up front?

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[quote=Mattyk72;282558]I know some people may never understand this, but we can't bust the bank on Dockery. If he wants a signing bonus of $17M forget about it, he's just not worth it. Let someone else overpay for a slightly above average player.[/quote]This is only a negotiating figure folks. When you put in your salary requirements, you don't ask for what you currently make, or less, do you? Or course he's not worth that amount of money. He won't get that from another team either. When testing the free agent market, which just started today, you can't take the first deal thrown at you prior to. Now this type of thing has backfired before. Dockery could be without a team for a while before settling for '2nd string' money. The skins may have to make another costly move to aquire a starting quality G via the draft or trade.

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[quote=JWsleep;282534]Dock is looking for the big payday...we can't give that. If the market drops for Dock, maybe we'll be able to woo him back, but I am doubtful.

I am glad to hear that Clements is pretty much too expensive for us, because it means, for the first time, that it is possible for a player to be too expensive for us!

Cheaper FAs, trade down in the draft, and work with what we got. Hope we land smooty, and that he's ready to re-establish his career.[/quote]


Overpay for guys coming in from other teams, but don't somewhat overpay for a quality starting Oline man that helped produce the 4th best rushing attack with a backup RB and allowed only 19 sacks, the 3rd best sack performanct in the league.
Yeah, another great move by the redskins front office.
sounds familiar. lets let smoot go for $600k, lets let Pierce walk, lets let clark go. How much did i hear about those guys the past year or two about how we should have kept them?

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[quote=EXoffender;282578]This is only a negotiating figure folks. When you put in your salary requirements, you don't ask for what you currently make, or less, do you? Or course he's not worth that amount of money. He won't get that from another team either. When testing the free agent market, which just started today, you can't take the first deal thrown at you prior to. Now this type of thing has backfired before. Dockery could be without a team for a while before settling for '2nd string' money. The skins may have to make another costly move to aquire a starting quality G via the draft or trade.[/quote]


Dock is not going to be on the market long. there are several teams out there willing to pay one of the up and coming YOUNG, dominant run blocking guards in the NFL. He will get 10million up front if not more.

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[quote=Mattyk72;282577]Would you give Dockery $17M up front?[/quote]

$17 M? No. That's too high even in the new world order.

But I'd give him $12 million, which is what La Canfora has said he's expecting to get.

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Boy am I already sick of this Dockery issue. I hope he signs with someone else fast so we can move on. He is nothing special if you ask me. I mean if some other team gives him a ridiculous contract I am going to be very confused. How do you tell your fan base that this year's awesome free agent addition is Derrick Dockery. How pitiful.

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[quote=wilsowilso;282594]Boy am I already sick of this Dockery issue. I hope he signs with someone else fast so we can move on. He is nothing special if you ask me. I mean if some other team gives him a ridiculous contract I am going to be very confused. How do you tell your fan base that this year's awesome free agent addition is Derrick Dockery. How pitiful.[/quote]


why does every year have to be about what big FA we are going to sign to a mulitmillion dollar deal? Why not take care of the guys we have on team? Dock was one of those lineman that helped this Oline perform as good as any in the NFL. Plus all the other lineman feel Dock should be top priority, they want this line intact. why wouldnt anyone after the year they had last year. It was one if not the only bright spot to another wise miserable season.

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I agree that the 17M figure was way out of line. I don't think any other [I]player[/I] would expect them to pony that money up.

BUT given the propensity to give big paydays and overpay for outside FA's, I believe that the players [I]would expect[/I] them to make a pretty lucrative offer, even if it means overpaying, for one of their own.

FOR EXAMPLE: Okay, you're gonna trade picks and give big money to a guy like Lloyd who you [I]thought[/I] could have a big impact. Well, Front Office, here is a guy who has [I]demonstrated[/I] his impact on this team - we like him, we want him to stay. Are you gonna make an offer to him that is better than what you would give to an outside FA? Or is this one of those "when I say its a game, you say it's a business and vic versa" situations. Show us that by just being here WE are valuable.

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[quote=Schneed10;282590]$17 M? No. That's too high even in the new world order.

But I'd give him $12 million, which is what La Canfora has said he's expecting to get.[/quote]

$12M would be more reasonable, Steinbach will set the market though. I wouldn't expect anything to happen with Dock until he signs.

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what are the skins going to do, if dock walks? who plays the position then? it almost seems like dockery is trying to hold the skins hostage. no way to breaking the bank to keep him here. but at a reasonable price, i want him back

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[quote=TheMalcolmConnection;282543]Not only that, I'm happy to see they're anticipating the contracts going up [B]exponentially[/B]. Good to sign him now before the inflation later on.[/quote]
malcolm, was that your big word for today?

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I love the re-signing of Sellers.

They should sell his jersey on skins.com, that would be a cool one to get. Big #45!

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[quote=dmek25;282733]malcolm, was that your big word for today?[/quote]

Yes.

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Dock isn't even all that good... hes just big and strong... I don't know why everyone is nutting over this guy like if we don't sign him back our season is done... he's the weakest link on our line and he cant move like the rest of our line can...

just my 2c