So now what at Guard?
 

Well we have Leonard Davis coming in today but he would have to move to guard from his left tackle he likes. The Boys wanted him to move inside as well and it is reported he like a warm weather spot so you think Dallas will get that one with more cap space. The Cards may still be in the mixes because they like him to stay but not at a high price. But still he wouldn't have to move inside! There are some others but Kris Dieman is going to cost to much...still I can dream! Wish we had the money! Seattle looks to have him! What about Bills Mike Gandy 6-4 310? He is 27 and might be better then Davis? Another thing that may come in to play is the Redskis were not that high on the DE or DT in this years draft and trading down and getting Dockerys replacement might happen. I read on Fox that Patrick Kerny 6-5 273 29 years old might be someone the Skins might look hard at and then address the guard in the draft. Just some thoughts and things I have read!

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Molinaro is probably better suited for the inside but I doubt he's really a starter, after that who knows, would love to draft one but we know that ain't happening.

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[QUOTE=offiss;283312]Molinaro is probably better suited for the inside but I doubt he's really a starter, after that who knows, would love to draft one but we know that ain't happening.[/QUOTE] We might not have any way but that. If so who would you draft and can we move down and get a guard and more picks?

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What I just read Justin Blalock out of Texas may be the best of this years draft. The 6-3 320 guard has a mean streak. Others are Ben Grubbs 6-3 311 auburn,Arron Sears 6-3 319 Tenn, and Andy Alleman 6-4 305 Akron. But could these kids more right in to the starting line up?

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We should go after Adam Timmerman until we find or groom someone to replace Dock.

AT is a vet, who has played on a championship team(rams). So, he knows how to win. We could get him cheap until we find a permanent replacement.

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[QUOTE=RedskinPete;283316]What I just read Justin Blalock out of Texas may be the best of this years draft. The 6-3 320 guard has a mean streak. Others are Ben Grubbs 6-3 311 auburn,Arron Sears 6-3 319 Tenn, and Andy Alleman 6-4 305 Akron. But could these kids more right in to the starting line up?[/QUOTE]

Our coaching staff isn't overly stellar in getting rookies ready to play, I think I remember Blaylock having a good combine probably would be a definate upgrade over Dock, the problem is we have no picks and are probably useing the #6 to draft a D-lineman. We just have to many holes and no way of filling them, as usual they have already started convicing themselves they will solve all our problems in free agency, and as usual we will winde up with a bunch of overpaid players we will be looking to upgrade next year, with you guessed it even less cap space.

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TRADE DOWN! Pick up Blaylock and Carriker in the draft...

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[quote=TheMalcolmConnection;283323]TRADE DOWN! Pick up Blaylock and Carriker in the draft...[/quote]

What the heck are doing posting at 7:40 on a Saturday morning?

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What the heck are YOU doing REPLYING to me at 7:47?!

Seriously though, my fiancee had computer problems in our exercise room today and needed me to wake up so she could watch DVDs on the treadmill. She's coming down your way to David's Bridal to try on wedding dresses.

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[quote=724Skinsfan;283325]What the heck are doing posting at 7:40 on a Saturday morning?[/quote]


I've got a good answer for that.....posting at 740am...thats because this is our superbowl...LOL

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Because I never went to sleep, got drunk, laid and am now having the morning "victory coffee" while teaching my son the importance of taking a noisey crap in the morning.

And to see if we signed Smoot yet.

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[QUOTE=TheMalcolmConnection;283323]TRADE DOWN! Pick up Blaylock and Carriker in the draft...[/QUOTE] You are right that moving down from 6yh spot can get it done! I also read that the Redskins were not that high on the DE or DT in this draft on a 6th pick so moving down sound right!

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[QUOTE=vaoutlaws2006;283327]I've got a good answer for that.....posting at 740am...thats because this is our superbowl...LOL[/QUOTE] Its so sad that it has come to this!!!!!!

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I seen Jeff Bostic on Americas Game last night (87 Skins)... He looked pretty good... he could probably still man a position..

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Isn't it sad to have so many needs and so few draft picks? I will admit, though, that I hate the idea of starting a rookie at LG. But can we afford a competent FA replacement for Dock, who we couldn't afford to keep?

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Leonard Davis has played guard before in this league, the switch wouldn't be a big deal at all.

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[QUOTE=Mattyk72;283358]Leonard Davis has played guard before in this league, the switch wouldn't be a big deal at all.[/QUOTE] Just came off the Cards site he played three years at guard before moving to tackle. The question will he move back to guard and can we get him over the Boys,Jets,Giants and Cards with out really over paying? Did the Dockery signing do that already?

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[quote=RedskinPete;283368]Just came off the Cards site he played three years at guard before moving to tackle. The question will he move back to guard and can we get him over the Boys,Jets,Giants and Cards with out really over paying? Did the Dockery signing do that already?[/quote]

Of course the ridiculous Dockery deal just upped the ante for Davis, hopefully we can still get him at a "reasonable" price, whatever that means anymore.

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[quote=offiss;283312]Molinaro is probably better suited for the inside but I doubt he's really a starter, after that who knows, would love to draft one but we know that ain't happening.[/quote]

molinaro isn't a redskin right now. he's a FA, and he's not that good.

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[quote=RedskinPete;283316]What I just read Justin Blalock out of Texas may be the best of this years draft. The 6-3 320 guard has a mean streak. Others are Ben Grubbs 6-3 311 auburn,Arron Sears 6-3 319 Tenn, and Andy Alleman 6-4 305 Akron. But could these kids more right in to the starting line up?[/quote]

grubbs would be a big upgrade over dock (maybe not the first year, but after that). don't know enough about blalock...

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I think we have a good chance of getting davis...

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[QUOTE=Mattyk72;283358]Leonard Davis has played guard before in this league, the switch wouldn't be a big deal at all.[/QUOTE]



Matty, does Todd Wade have any experience at the guard position? He's a player I would like to see us hold onto if he could be resigned, and would consider moving from tackle. I know he want's to be a starter, and thought it may be an opportunity for him. Don't know if the coaching staff has considered it though.

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[quote=Longtimefan;283418]Matty, does Todd Wade have any experience at the guard position? He's a player I would like to see us hold onto if he could be resigned, and would consider moving from tackle. I know he want's to be a starter, and thought it may be an opportunity for him. Don't know if the coaching staff has considered it though.[/quote]

See, I think THAT'S a good idea. He wants to start: problem solved. We need a big body: problem solved. He won't ask for the ridiculous contract that is typical of this offseason: problem solved.

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The Redskins are currently targeting Montrae Holland and Leonard Davis.

[URL]http://www.thewarpath.net/redskins-locker-room/17260-meet-montrae-holland.html[/URL]

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[QUOTE=Dirtbag359;283466]The Redskins are currently targeting Montrae Holland and Leonard Davis.

[URL]http://www.thewarpath.net/redskins-locker-room/17260-meet-montrae-holland.html[/URL][/QUOTE]

But, here again, wouldn't Davis cost too much?

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[quote=huntz;283468]But, here again, wouldn't Davis cost too much?[/quote]


Thats why they're also targeting Holland. Personally I would rather have Holland, we need to save that cap space to resign Cooley and Taylor.

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Holland has good size, initial quickness and foot speed. He has good upper body strength he has above average agility, balance and body control. He plays with good effort and a mean streak. He more consistent as a pass protector than is a run blocker. He does a good job on double teams and combination blocks when he has help but struggles when he has to block one-on-one vs a 3-tech. He does not come off the ball, stops his feet at contact and he can not hit the movement against one gap penetrators. He did a good job on his pull/trap and if he locks on he will pancake you. He has good leg drive but his not consistent keeping his feet moving and he struggles to get movement at the point of attack. He will try to position block you before he has established position. He will lose leverage and get cross faced at the POA. He is not a consistent second level blocker. He does not always take the proper angles off the ball and lacks ideal speed to keep up with fast linebackers in this league. He is good in a confined area but he struggles in space. As a pass protector, he has improved. He has good quick set, he is a knee bender most of the time and he has a good punch. He has good foot speed and lateral movement to counter double moves. He did an excellent job of picking up and passing off line stunts. He was effective when sliding and mirroring but he was not consistent when he had to block a 3-tech. one on one. Overall, Holland is raw young player who is getting better and improving with experience. He is not as consistent as you would like at this time but he has ability and needs technique work. He is an adequate starter and a very good back-up.

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100-90 Elite Player
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79-75 Solid Starter
[B]74-70 Good Starter[/B]
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54-50 Marginal Backup
49-45 Poor Player
30 Developmental Player

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Heres what the Post says:

Priority 4: Offensive Lineman, Tight Ends and Defensive Lineman: The Redskins have interest in free agent guard Montrae Holland (New Orleans), sources said, and he mirrors Dockery's body type and run-blocking skills. Washington also needs a tight end to complement Chris Cooley, and sources said Cincinnati's Reggie Kelly has piqued the Redskins' interest. They have negotiated with TE Todd Yoder, who spent the most of 2006 with Washington, as well. The Redskins are dedicated to strengthening an aging defensive line in the draft, particularly with a pass-rushing end, and are not expected to go after Patrick Kerney (Atlanta), the best free agent at his position. However, should the Giants opt to shop Michael Strahan, the Redskins would be in a position to make a play for him, sources said. Of course, the chances of him being traded -- especially to a division rival -- are remote.

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And younger too. Picking up a young free agent starter, now that's something new.

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sad maybe it is...but its alot of fun seeing the talent we sign every offseason and how they dont seem to pan out except when running a franchise on Madden football. But please by all means whatever it takes to get smoot back make it happen.

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If Gaines Adams is gone I would love to see us trade down to the mid to late first round and pick up a second or third rounder. We could still pick up a very solid pass rusher like Tim Crowder from Texas or Charles Johnson from Georgia and also get a starting quality guard like Benn Grubbs from Auburn or Manny Ramirez from Texas Tech. Dock leaving could be a blessing in disguise since he would have demanded big money and this draft is very deep at guard.

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DAVIS WANTS BIG MONEY

Word on the NFL street is that free-agent offensive lineman Leonard "Big" Davis, the No. 2 overall pick in the 2001 draft, is looking for $23 million in guaranteed money.

We're told that the request was made during a visit by Davis to the Cowboys.

Consequently, the visit was a short one.

Hey, if the guy was that good, the Cardinals' line wouldn't have been so bad. And the Cards would have used some of their staggering cap surplus to keep him.

Next up for Davis is the Redskins. But if they weren't ready to pay Derrick Dockery, why would they pay Davis?

Not gonna be a skin, for this kinda cash! I HOPE!

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[QUOTE=DieHardSince76;283355]Isn't it sad to have so many needs and so few draft picks? I will admit, though, that I hate the idea of starting a rookie at LG. But can we afford a competent FA replacement for Dock, who we couldn't afford to keep?[/QUOTE]
yeah but dockery got majorly overpaid he got a higher contract than hutchinson did last year

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re-signing wade would be good, if it was cheap... he's probably looing for a starting RT job though.

we did sign pucillo, but... no clue on if he can start at OG and play well or not.

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[QUOTE=That Guy;283560]re-signing wade would be good, if it was cheap... he's probably looing for a starting RT job though.

we did sign pucillo, but... no clue on if he can start at OG and play well or not.[/QUOTE] In the end this maybe the way we have to go. No cap money and the market is just to high. The pool of top guys are drying up. Get Wade and draft a guard in april by moving down from that 6th pick. That way you have someone to step in if Wade doen't work out and a young guy for the future!

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[quote=That Guy;283560]re-signing wade would be good, if it was cheap... he's probably looing for a starting RT job though.

we did sign pucillo, but... no clue on if he can start at OG and play well or not.[/quote]

Couldn't we promise Wade an open competition with Jansen? I thought he played well in the N.O. game. One of our better rushing contests. Assuming he doesn't catch the big money wave rolling in right now. I guess what you are saying is we may not be able to afford him because he will get starter money. That is a problem. How do you build depth when anyone with a slight claim on being a starter gets 50 million dollars?

I wonder how Pucillo feels today. Dock is a bazillioanire and he gets the min. Oh cruel fate!

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[quote=RedskinPete;283570]In the end this maybe the way we have to go. No cap money and the market is just to high. The pool of top guys are drying up. Get Wade and draft a guard in april by moving down from that 6th pick. That way you have someone to step in if Wade doen't work out and a young guy for the future![/quote]

Could easily be solved through the draft if the Skins had their 2nd, 3rd, or 4th round picks . . . hope they keep to their word and don't go crazy this offseason again. They give away draft picks like no one else in the league, drives me crazy.

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I would like to get Davis, but a cheaper alternative might be Floyd "Porkchop" Womack for the Seahawks, he is 6-4 330 lbs, and has started 32 games in 6 seasons, he is said to be a great run blocker but shaky in pass protection.

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I say RAY BROWN!

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what happened with Davis's meeting did it go well?

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this leaves us holland and?

doesn't seem like Davis really had any interest...just using the skins to drum up more money...seems like he wanted to stay home all along...