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I just watched the interview with Fred Smoot and I am more excited about his return that any new signing we could have. This dude is not just another player on the field. He's the fans favorite and he knows it. Many forget that he led in INTs for three seasons as a Redskin. He knows this system, and will be able to play as he says," My emotional style of football." WELCOME BACK FREEEEEEEEEEEEED SMOOT!

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it's been a very good FA period. safe moves, but the right ones. good non moves too.

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Time for Rogers to get to work or he may lose his starting job.

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I remember when Champ, Darrell, and Smoot were lined up back there, and I never thought any of them could be torched. When Darrell retired, still very few deep plays. Then when Champ left...yeah I think we need more stability. Springs is about 90 percent of Champ. Lets face it, we'll never EVER find another shut down corner like Darrell, and this may be stretching it, but even a Champ Bailey. Champ should be if not already one of the 100 greatest redskins. Fisher should be signed, and see if we can't trade in the draft for a guard and one more quality secondary guy. Draft later for quality (not superstar) but quality dl and ol. With Fletcher, Smoot, Springs, and Taylor, I'm sure we could get that blitz back without all the DL help. Bring Rogers down for those CB blitzes on Third and First downs, and let Taylor and (that one more s we need) take care of being torched, because you know adam crapuleta can't cover a camel in the desert.

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thing is we have stability at the moment but springs could be gone in the next couple years we will be right back to where we started. We need to draft a young corner so that we have stability in the future no just for one season. We should draft leon hall so that by the time springs leaves we are still stacked at corner.

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[quote=Grim21Reaper;283950]Time for Rogers to get to work or he may lose his starting job.[/quote]

I thought signing Smoot meant Carlos lost his job, you cant tell me Fred isnt a better player than Rogers at this point

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[quote=XXVI;283957]I remember when Champ, Darrell, and Smoot were lined up back there, and I never thought any of them could be torched. When Darrell retired, still very few deep plays. Then when Champ left...yeah I think we need more stability. Springs is about 90 percent of Champ. Lets face it, we'll never EVER find another shut down corner like Darrell, and this may be stretching it, but even a Champ Bailey. Champ should be if not already one of the 100 greatest redskins. Fisher should be signed, and see if we can't trade in the draft for a guard and one more quality secondary guy. Draft later for quality (not superstar) but quality dl and ol. With Fletcher, Smoot, Springs, and Taylor, I'm sure we could get that blitz back without all the DL help. Bring Rogers down for those CB blitzes on Third and First downs, and let Taylor and (that one more s we need) take care of being torched, because you know adam crapuleta can't cover a camel in the desert.[/quote]

If we pass on Alan Branch i will go insane, he will make Smoot,Springs and Rogers much better

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[quote=XXVI;283957]I remember when Champ, Darrell, and Smoot were lined up back there, and I never thought any of them could be torched. When Darrell retired, still very few deep plays. Then when Champ left...yeah I think we need more stability. Springs is about 90 percent of Champ. Lets face it, we'll never EVER find another shut down corner like Darrell, and this may be stretching it, but even a Champ Bailey. Champ should be if not already one of the 100 greatest redskins. Fisher should be signed, and see if we can't trade in the draft for a guard and one more quality secondary guy. Draft later for quality (not superstar) but quality dl and ol. With Fletcher, Smoot, Springs, and Taylor, I'm sure we could get that blitz back without all the DL help. Bring Rogers down for those CB blitzes on Third and First downs, and let Taylor and (that one more s we need) take care of being torched, because you know adam crapuleta can't cover a camel in the desert.[/quote]




ummmm we did find another corner like darrel green, he was even better, his name was champ bailey. and like idiots we traded him away for a fan favorite (i hate that term) in portis. check out the signature below.

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[quote=Misterbillysells;283961]thing is we have stability at the moment but springs could be gone in the next couple years we will be right back to where we started. We need to draft a young corner so that we have stability in the future no just for one season. We should draft leon hall so that by the time springs leaves we are still stacked at corner.[/quote]

So will be stacked at corner and still have no depth on the DL, depth at corner does nothing when the defensive line cant get any pressure

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i reject the notion that our DL lacks depth. we all know what cornelius can do, Carter came along during the season, daniels had 8 sacks just a year ago, wynn and evans give us good depth, and we spent late round draft picks on Golston and Montgomery last year to give us increased depth a long with salave'a. So with development of our younger players we have plenty of depth. And in greg williams system pressure on the quarterback usually comes from blitzing. We were unable to get that pressure because we had to hang back into coverage more often to help our vunerability in the secondary. So the in all actuality depth at corner does allow us to get increased pressure on the quarterback.

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I see the starters as Rogers as our #1, and Smoot as our #2. We need to realize we can't have it both ways. We can't build through the draft and then expect our players to be NFL superstar caliber. Rogers is a damn good player, he had a couple bad games, he had a couple great games! Get off the man, he's only been in the league for two seasons! I also think we move Springs to safety when those two are on the field as starting corners. Gives us quite a ball-hawking secondary.

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[quote=chrisl4064;283971]ummmm we did find another corner like darrel green, he was even better, his name was champ bailey. and like idiots we traded him away for a fan favorite (i hate that term) in portis. check out the signature below.[/quote]

yeah definately the dumbest trade ever, we really should have kept a guy that we offered the same exact contract that denver gave him and he still wouldnt sign, i wish people would get this through there heads, Champ did not want to be here anymore, he said that and had no interest in negotiating with washington. We did not want to get rid of Champ, Dan offered him everything that he wanted as far as contracts are concerned and he told the organization that he was not interested in being a Redskins anymore so we took what we could get for him, and just so you know we have had the same amount of playoff appearences with Portis on our roster as we did when we had Champ on our roster

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[quote=GiantsSuck703;283969]If we pass on Alan Branch i will go insane, he will make Smoot,Springs and Rogers much better[/quote]
Can Branch keep his weight under control? They don't want another Sean Gilbert or Dan Wilkinson! Take Anderson.
It will be nice to have some stability at CB. Hopefully Smoot will work with Rogers on technique and catching the DAMN ball!

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[quote=Misterbillysells;283975]i reject the notion that our DL lacks depth. we all know what cornelius can do, Carter came along during the season, daniels had 8 sacks just a year ago, wynn and evans give us good depth, and we spent late round draft picks on Golston and Montgomery last year to give us increased depth a long with salave'a. So with development of our younger players we have plenty of depth. And in greg williams system pressure on the quarterback usually comes from blitzing. We were unable to get that pressure because we had to hang back into coverage more often to help our vunerability in the secondary. So the in all actuality depth at corner does allow us to get increased pressure on the quarterback.[/quote]

You cant be serious, we had what 16 sacks all year

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[quote=Crat92;283985]Can Branch keep his weight under control? They don't want another Sean Gilbert or Dan Wilkinson! Take Anderson.[/quote]

Why would you want Anderson, hes not even the best DE in the draft, that belongs to Gaines Adams, taking Anderson at 6 is a big reach, Branch is a run stuffer, we need that so Brandon Jacobs doesnt take up were Tiki left off and start rushing for 200 yards on us every game

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[quote=Daseal;283978]I see the starters as Rogers as our #1, and Smoot as our #2. We need to realize we can't have it both ways. We can't build through the draft and then expect our players to be NFL superstar caliber. Rogers is a damn good player, he had a couple bad games, he had a couple great games! Get off the man, he's only been in the league for two seasons! I also think we move Springs to safety when those two are on the field as starting corners. Gives us quite a ball-hawking secondary.[/quote]

I dont hate Carlos Rogers, and I actually supported him pretty strongly, but i just dont think hes better than Smoot, and i think he will be a fine nickel back until Springs gets cut or retires. But with that said, Carlos did have one of the worst years i have ever seen for a CB.

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Branch seems like the next Big Daddy to me.

There's alot of depth along the defensive line in this draft, I'm hoping we can trade down, get more picks, and still fill needs.

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I don't think we have stability at the CB postion until we know for a fact Springs is going to stay, because outside of Springs, Smoot, and Rogers who do we have? Ade Jimoh???. I also wanted to add I think we should start Rogers, Smoot at CB this year and let Springs either play SS or come in on certain packages, and at nickel. We really need to get Carlos going here I think he is going to be a good young CB for us teamed with Smoot.

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[QUOTE=Misterbillysells;283975]i reject the notion that our DL lacks depth. we all know what cornelius can do, Carter came along during the season, daniels had 8 sacks just a year ago, wynn and evans give us good depth, and we spent late round draft picks on Golston and Montgomery last year to give us increased depth a long with salave'a. So with development of our younger players we have plenty of depth. And in greg williams system pressure on the quarterback usually comes from blitzing. We were unable to get that pressure because we had to hang back into coverage more often to help our vunerability in the secondary. So the in all actuality depth at corner does allow us to get increased pressure on the quarterback.[/QUOTE]

The problem is that we have depth-quality players in starting roles.

Don't kid yourself, this defensive line is atrocious. As someone else pointed out, 16 sacks -- by far the worst in the league -- and #27 against the run? Come on, what more proof do you need that these guys are old and ineffective? Griffin is probably OK as long as a young, pocket-collapsing renegade lines up next to him. But Salave'a might as well cash in his chips, the man can't hold up for 16 games anymore. Golston and Montgomery are long-term projects for #3 rotation spots at best. They aren't taking us anywhere.

Darrell Green in his prime, along with Champ, Smoot on his best day, and Rogers finally living up to his #9 overall billing won't matter one bit when the QB has all day to throw. Not to mention when those guys in the secondary are forced to make the tackle on a running play 10-15 yards past the line of scrimmage.

The defensive line is dreadful. Witness Tiki Barber's final performance at Fed Ex Field for proof positive of that.

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[quote=Mattyk72;283990]Branch seems like the next Big Daddy to me.

There's alot of depth along the defensive line in this draft, I'm hoping we can trade down, get more picks, and still fill needs.[/quote]

Why do you think Branch will be the next Big Daddy?

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[QUOTE=GiantsSuck703;283969]If we pass on Alan Branch i will go insane, he will make Smoot,Springs and Rogers much better[/QUOTE]

it will benefit fletcher more than the DB's dude. gaines or jamaal would benefit the DB's more

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[QUOTE=Mattyk72;283990]Branch seems like the next Big Daddy to me.

There's alot of depth along the defensive line in this draft, I'm hoping we can trade down, get more picks, and still fill needs.[/QUOTE]


I tell you, the more I hear of people taking a dump on Alan Branch, if we were to trade down, he could still be there for us to be able to grab him and another defensive linemen or two.

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[quote=GiantsSuck703;283994]Why do you think Branch will be the next Big Daddy?[/quote]
He played at Michigan weighing 336lbs. Weight with this guy is a major concern. It's not like he set the world on fire this year anyway. He was okay but nothing stellar.

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[quote=jrocx69;283995]it will benefit fletcher more than the DB's dude. gaines or jamaal would benefit the DB's more[/quote]

Branch will make the whole defense better, Branch will also help the DBs because it will keep them from having to bite on Play action all the time

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[quote=Crat92;283999]He played at Michigan weighing 336lbs. Weight with this guy is a major concern. It's not like he set the world on fire this year anyway. He was okay but nothing stellar.[/quote]

Just so you know, Alan Branch was DT on the Nations #1 rush defense, they allowed 43.4 rush yards per game

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[QUOTE=GiantsSuck703;284000]Branch will make the whole defense better, Branch will also help the DBs because it will keep them from having to bite on Play action all the time[/QUOTE]


As you can tell from my sig, I'm with you -- but man, this guy's stock is dropping big time.

In addition to his alleged weight problem, he's been described as lazy and takes several plays off. His stats aren't all that impressive either. Now, that could be because he gathers so much attention and double teams that other guys wind up making the tackle. I'd be interested to know what other D-tackles are expected to go in the first round, but I haven't heard of any. Branch is practically the only player at his position that you hear about good or bad.

I used to be a 100% draft Alan Branch guy -- but the more negative things I hear about him, I have to admit that percentage has dropped to about 94-96%.

If we could trade down and be able to get the next best defensive tackle, and a defensive end, that would be ideal.

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[quote=GiantsSuck703;284002]Just so you know, Alan Branch was DT on the Nations #1 rush defense, they allowed 43.4 rush yards per game[/quote]
And your point is..................?

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Arent LB's and FS/SS 's a little more notorious for "biting" PA than CB's?? just my opinion i could be wrong

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[quote=Mattyk72;283990]Branch seems like the next Big Daddy to me.

There's alot of depth along the defensive line in this draft, I'm hoping we can trade down, get more picks, and still fill needs.[/quote]

I'm liking the sound of Adam Carriker more as far as the likelihood of being a solid nfl starter. Adams & Anderson are rated high based on their pass rush ability, but it seems a lot of those highly rated pass rush prospects don't pan out.
Certainly aren't many reggie white type guys lately, lots of de's seem smaller the last few years.
Carriker might sill be there in the early to mid teens.

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[QUOTE=Crat92;284004]And your point is..................?[/QUOTE]

I believe the point would be that Alan Branch contributed to the nation's #1 ranking against the run, and had something to do with allowing only 43.4 yards per game on the ground.

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[quote=Beemnseven;284010]I believe the point would be that Alan Branch contributed to the nation's #1 ranking against the run, and had something to do with allowing only 43.4 yards per game on the ground.[/quote]

Thanks for clarifying it, i really thought he would have figured that out on his own, but i guess not

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Carriker is a great player. Unfortunately for us, he's been flying up the draft boards. NFL radio predicted he'd be a top 10 pick come draft time. Perhaps even the first DE taken by either us or Arizona.

I think we're okay at DT. Nothing great, but okay. At this point, I wouldn't even be opposed to trading away our first this year for a first and a 3rd or 1st and 2nd next year. Depending on which team we can get it from.

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[quote=Beemnseven;284003]As you can tell from my sig, I'm with you -- but man, this guy's stock is dropping big time.

In addition to his alleged weight problem, he's been described as lazy and takes several plays off. His stats aren't all that impressive either. Now, that could be because he gathers so much attention and double teams that other guys wind up making the tackle. I'd be interested to know what other D-tackles are expected to go in the first round, but I haven't heard of any. Branch is practically the only player at his position that you hear about good or bad.

I used to be a 100% draft Alan Branch guy -- but the more negative things I hear about him, I have to admit that percentage has dropped to about 94-96%.

If we could trade down and be able to get the next best defensive tackle, and a defensive end, that would be ideal.[/quote]

Amobi Okoye is the second rated DT in the draft

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[quote=Beemnseven;284003]As you can tell from my sig, I'm with you -- but man, this guy's stock is dropping big time.

In addition to his alleged weight problem, he's been described as lazy and takes several plays off. His stats aren't all that impressive either. Now, that could be because he gathers so much attention and double teams that other guys wind up making the tackle. I'd be interested to know what other D-tackles are expected to go in the first round, but I haven't heard of any. Branch is practically the only player at his position that you hear about good or bad.

I used to be a 100% draft Alan Branch guy -- but the more negative things I hear about him, I have to admit that percentage has dropped to about 94-96%.

If we could trade down and be able to get the next best defensive tackle, and a defensive end, that would be ideal.[/quote]

Isnt that the same reason Tommie Harris fell to the Bears?

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[QUOTE=Daseal;284012]I think we're okay at DT. Nothing great, but okay. At this point, I wouldn't even be opposed to trading away our first this year for a first and a 3rd or 1st and 2nd next year. Depending on which team we can get it from.[/QUOTE]

Man, I wish I the faith that others do in our defensive tackles.

To me, relying on Griffin, Salave'a, Golston and Montgomery for another season against the run leaves us about as vulnerable as walking around high school in our underwear.

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Good people that's all well and good, but how does that translate to the NFL? How good was he against competition? What did the Buckeyes do against that no.1 rated rush D? The Chris Wells run alone was longer than their per game average! People there are no Northwesterns or Indianas in the NFL. All I'm sayin is the guy is okay.

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[quote=Beemnseven;284018]Man, I wish I the faith that others do in our defensive tackles.

To me, relying on Griffin, Salave'a, Golston and Montgomery for another season against the run leaves us about as vulnerable as walking around high school in our underwear.[/quote]

same here

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[QUOTE=Crat92;284019]Good people that's all well and good, [B]but how does that translate to the NFL? [/B] How good was he against competition? What did the Buckeyes do against that no.1 rated rush D? The Chris Wells run alone was longer than their per game average! People there are no Northwesterns or Indianas in the NFL. All I'm sayin is the guy is okay.[/QUOTE]

Then you must really hate the draft -- because you can make that statement about every single college player! Pick your favorite draft prospect -- we could challenge you with the very same questions!

There is NO guarantee that any stud in college will dominate in the NFL. You still have to go by the best information that's available to you and make the best selection you can based on that info.

The draft is a crap shoot. Nothing more.

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[quote=Beemnseven;284022]Then you must really hate the draft -- because you can make that statement about every single college player! Pick your favorite draft prospect -- we could challenge you with the very same questions!

There is NO guarantee that any stud in college will dominate in the NFL. You still have to go by the best information that's available to you and make the best selection you can based on that info.

The draft is a crap shoot. Nothing more.[/quote]
Exactly! I think if we traded down he would still be there. No.6 is awfully high for a guy with a weight issue.

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[QUOTE=GiantsSuck703;284017]Isnt that the same reason Tommie Harris fell to the Bears?[/QUOTE]

Well, I don't remember what they said about Tommie Harris. He turned out to be a stud that's for sure.

Another factor that must be considered is who the draft prospects teammates are, how will they gel? Will there be good chemistry?

I go back to San Fransisco in the early 90's. They had just been eaten up by Emmitt Smith and the Cowboys in the NFC Championship game. So what do they do? They go out and promptly draft Dana Stubblefield from Kansas (who really was a good player as a 49er) in 1993, then they draft Bryant Young out of Notre Dame a year later. Next thing you know, they have the best tandem of defensive tackles in the league for years to come. Sometimes it works like that.

Then, you have your DeWayne Roberstons, Gerard Warrens, Jimmy Kennedys, Jonathan Sullivans -- you know, the busts. They're everywhere. But you have to wonder how much better those guys would have been if the right guy was lined up next to him? It's like talented musicians -- if they never find each other, one of them is unlikely to turn mediocre musicians into a great band. But when they do find each other, it's like magic.

Boy, I'm really rambling here... I'm not even sure what my point is ...

So yeah, maybe all the doubters are wrong about Alan Branch and he'll be our Dave Butz for years to come!