Potential Skins/Texans trade
 

(From Pasquarelli's Tip Sheet)
[I]Houston owns the eighth overall choice in the first round of the draft and NFL sources tell ESPN.com that the Texans have been talking to teams higher in the order about moving up in the round, if necessary, to snag Quinn. Specifically, the Texans feel they might have to leap-frog the Minnesota Vikings, who own the No. 7 pick and who also will be tempted to grab Quinn as their quarterback of the future.

The Texans have been doing a lot of talking with Washington, currently at the No. 6 slot, about a deal. That makes sense because Redskins coach Joe Gibbs, who finally seems convinced that you can't buy a Super Bowl with free agents and actually have to invest in some draft picks once in a while, wants to slide down out of the No. 6 slot and amass extra choices.

Some in the league feel the Texans and Redskins already have an arrangement in place for such a deal, provided, of course, Quinn is still on the board at the sixth slot. [/I]

Thoughts?

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I sure hope we can trade down for more picks.Only having 1 pick on the first day is pretty rough.

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I think the potential lynchpin that could unscrew this deal would be Brady Quinn going in the top three. If he is there when we pick, this would be a GREAT deal for both teams. The Texans get a true, bona fide franchise QB, and we get an extra pick plus the player we would select at 6 anyway.

I would NOT make this deal before we are on the clock though. If we do this premature to that and Quinn ends up being gone, the Texans could snatch one of the guys that we really want.

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[quote=Riggo44;286453]I sure hope we can trade down for more picks.Only having 1 pick on the first day is pretty rough.[/quote]

I hope that is the case, we can get more picks and we would basically lose nothing if we trade with Houston cuz we still can draft a good DE..

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If we could still get the best D-lineman in the draft and come away with an extra 3rd rounder or so I would be extatic

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This could work out great.

They have the 8th overall, 39th(2nd round) and 73 rd (3rd round) overall picks.

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Actually I like this scenerio better than the Bly deal. And unless the Texans threw the sink at us before draft day, I think we don't play our hand until we're on the clock.

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Even if it's totally bogus, this gives some competition for our spot to the Broncos, so both teams will have to up their offer.
we need to sit tight for now unless one of them offers a Herschell Walker/R. williams type deal.

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If we could work out getting three picks for 1, that's a heck of a bargain. A, 1st pick #8, 2nd pick 39th, and 73rd in the third for our number 6 in the first round? That's a no brainer.
This could be just what the DR. ordered. Hope this works, we need the picks!

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I am not sure we'll get three picks so they can move up two spots...but I could be wrong, it just sounds like a lot

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[QUOTE=skinsfan_nn;286468]If we could work out getting three picks for 1, that's a heck of a bargain. A, 1st pick #8, 2nd pick 39th, and 73rd in the third for our number 6 in the first round? That's a no brainer.
This could be just what the DR. ordered. Hope this works, we need the picks![/QUOTE]

I really doubt we'd get three picks that high though. Its different with Denver because according to the "point scale", our first round pick is worth about 3 to 4 times as much as theirs if not more, so thats why they need to give those 2nd/3rd round picks too. I wouldnt mind doing it for the Texans 1st and 3rd round picks, then maybe trading down again and picking up somthing else.

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I wouldn't get too worked up about this -- it all seems to fall on whether Brady Quinn makes to #6.

He won't last that long.

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Sounds good.

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Not sure what the Texans are thinking. Carr hasn't played that bad. It's not like Brady Quinn can come in as a rookie and do any better right away. He's going to need time. I guess the Texans think that they have a top defense of a great o-line. Isn't this the team that drafted M. Wiliams?

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[quote=skinsfan69;286496]Not sure what the Texans are thinking. Carr hasn't played that bad. It's not like Brady Quinn can come in as a rookie and do any better right away. He's going to need time. I guess the Texans think that they have a top defense of a great o-line. Isn't this the team that drafted M. Wiliams?[/quote]Quinn would probably sit behind Carr for a year, but if you think our offense was conservative under Brunell, the Houston offense under Carr would have put you to sleep. On top of that, Carr had more INTs than TDs, and Brunell had double the TDs of his INTs, so Carr wasn't even that good at the conservative offense.

Quinn could play alright as a rookie, but I agree that if the Texans want to improve their middle ranked passing game on last year, their best chance is w/ Carr.

Carr's future beyond this year is not as a starter though.

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I agree with Beems--it's seriously doubtful that Quinn falls to 6. But if he does...

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Whatever direction we decide to go in the draft. this team needs an impact player on defense. 31st in total defense, 19 sacks, league record for fewest turnovers. We need draft picks also that can eventually become starters not just a bunch of also-rans that may not even make the team.

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well, with it looking like the browns have a much higher chance to take quinn than peterson now, i'm not going to get too worked up.

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[I] The Texans have been doing a lot of talking with Washington, currently at the No. 6 slot, about a deal. That makes sense because Redskins coach Joe Gibbs, who finally seems convinced that you can't buy a Super Bowl with free agents and actually have to invest in some draft picks once in a while, wants to slide down out of the No. 6 slot and amass extra choices.


[/I]Does he seriously have to take a shot at the Skins out of personal spite every single time? He has to be the most unprofessional writer out there.

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He loves to take shots at the Skins almost as much as he likes an 8th helping of pie.

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I know this is a lot of moves and maybe I've played too much madden but what if this went down:
say we get the Texans 1st(#8), their 3rd(#73), and 5th(#134) if Quinn is available and they want him that bad.
1600pts = 1668pts as far as trade values go

and then we trade the first round pick to Denver for their 1st rounder(#21),
2nd(#56), and Bly.
1400pts = 1140+Bly who one would guess could be had this offseason for a late 2nd or top 10 3rd rounder

and finally Springs is traded to any team in need of a cb, for their 4th and a conditional pick in next year's draft as Springs probably carries the value of a low 3rd or high 4th at most. maybe we even get lucky and package him in with the Deal with denver for their 3rd, who knows.

that means we'd have slightly younger, more reliable replacement for Springs plus 4 extra picks this year. The team would then have the picks to trade up to be able to get a player like Okoye and still have 2-3 more picks then they started with as well as a smaller cap hit for the player taken.

I think thats feasible if things fall into place for the team for once and who knows maybe we could even get a couple teams to offer even more if say a player like CJ or Peterson falls to our spot.

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if we trade past the 8th spot, getting okoye becomes very unlikely.

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[QUOTE=That Guy;286593]if we trade past the 8th spot, getting okoye becomes very unlikely.[/QUOTE] Or Anderson!

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[QUOTE=skinsfanthru&thru;286590]I know this is a lot of moves and maybe I've played too much madden but what if this went down:
say we get the Texans 1st(#8), their 3rd(#73), and 5th(#134) if Quinn is available and they want him that bad.
1600pts = 1668pts as far as trade values go

and then we trade the first round pick to Denver for their 1st rounder(#21),
2nd(#56), and Bly.
1400pts = 1140+Bly who one would guess could be had this offseason for a late 2nd or top 10 3rd rounder

and finally Springs is traded to any team in need of a cb, for their 4th and a conditional pick in next year's draft as Springs probably carries the value of a low 3rd or high 4th at most. maybe we even get lucky and package him in with the Deal with denver for their 3rd, who knows.

that means we'd have slightly younger, more reliable replacement for Springs plus 4 extra picks this year. The team would then have the picks to trade up to be able to get a player like Okoye and still have 2-3 more picks then they started with as well as a smaller cap hit for the player taken.

I think thats feasible if things fall into place for the team for once and who knows maybe we could even get a couple teams to offer even more if say a player like CJ or Peterson falls to our spot.[/QUOTE] Why would Denver wanted to trade after we moved down from 6 to 8th? Thier is someone they wanted and he most likey will not be there at 8th. As for Jonhson being thier at six it would be very hard to pass on him!

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If Quinn is the type of player people will trade up for I don't see how the Redskins would be in the drivers seat with the 6th pick. It would seem that the Lions or Browns are in a much better position to broker this Quinn deal.

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Reports out of Texas denying the rumors..

[url=http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/sports/mcclain/4619278.html]Texans won't trade up to take QB Quinn | Chron.com - Houston Chronicle[/url]

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I don't blame them, they were movin up supposedly to land QUINN, who likely won't even be there at #6. He should go no worse than top four. And The Texans have two awesome quarterbacks.....LOL, not only one but two backups — David Carr, Sage Rosenfels

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[QUOTE=skinsfan69;286496]Not sure what the Texans are thinking. Carr hasn't played that bad. It's not like Brady Quinn can come in as a rookie and do any better right away. He's going to need time. I guess the Texans think that they have a top defense of a great o-line. Isn't this the team that drafted M. Wiliams?[/QUOTE]

I heard some rumors a while back (but haven't heard much lately) that the Browns and Texans had a deal in the works to send Carr to the Browns for a 4th or 5th round pick I think on draft day. There was some condition included involving Quinn. Can't remember what exactly.

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[quote=skinsfan69;286496]Not sure what the Texans are thinking. Carr hasn't played that bad. It's not like Brady Quinn can come in as a rookie and do any better right away. He's going to need time. I guess the Texans think that they have a top defense of a great o-line. Isn't this the team that drafted M. Wiliams?[/quote]

You're right...what they SHOULD be doing is getting an O-line. Carr is getting killed in the backfield year after year and STILL manages to put up decent numbers. Quinn could do no better with the same line.

Maybe they're thinking Carr's body won't hold up. Rosenfels played well for them in relief of Carr though.

They do have their priorities mixed up. With Ahman Green along with Carr and Johnson, they have plenty of offensive firepower, but it won't be effective without a line that can keep the defense out of the backfield.

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I like the deal for us though if it does happen.