McIntosh Vs. Marshall
 

Looks like Fletcher's gonna be the every down middle linebacker, according to redskins.com. With McIntosh going into his second year(and giving up draft picks to get him) and Marshall sliding over to WIL, who is gonna be the Weak side starter? My vote is for Rocky, he has showed some nice flashes when he was annointed a starter, plus the experience would be invaluable. Marshall is so versatile he could back up any linebacker spot without missing a beat. Opinions?

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Everybody should be rooting hard for Rocky McIntosh to soundly beat Lemar Marshall in preseason competition.

If he doesn't, consider it yet another 2nd round draft bust.

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[quote=stu_nna;287450]Looks like Fletcher's gonna be the every down middle linebacker, according to redskins.com. With McIntosh going into his second year(and giving up draft picks to get him) and Marshall sliding over to WIL, who is gonna be the Weak side starter? My vote is for Rocky, he has showed some nice flashes, when he was annointed a starter plus the experience would be invaluable. Marshall is so versatile he could back up any linebacker spot without missing a beat. Opinions?[/quote]


Marshall should start at season opening with Rocky replacing him often. Later on, it would be great to have Marshall backing up all three linebackers to keep everyone's legs fresh. Rotations can be very effective is you have the right and/or older personnel, and I believe we do.

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2 yrs riding the pine seems kinda long. Does anyone know whether Meast(Marcus Washington) will be ready for the start of training camp?

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I'm betting that Rock locks it down. I honestly think it's his to lose. That being said, Marshall is going to be a very good package LB.

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The idea of McIntosh playing behind Carter probably doesn't strike fear into opposing rushing offenses either. Marshall is bigger. Hmmm...

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[quote=stu_nna;287450]Looks like Fletcher's gonna be the every down middle linebacker, according to redskins.com. With McIntosh going into his second year(and giving up draft picks to get him) and Marshall sliding over to WIL, who is gonna be the Weak side starter? My vote is for Rocky, he has showed some nice flashes when he was annointed a starter, plus the experience would be invaluable. Marshall is so versatile he could back up any linebacker spot without missing a beat. Opinions?[/quote]

Washington would play the strong side, Flether in the middle and either Rocky or Marshall at weak side.

I guess this will be a battle in training camp. This is good becasue at least we have depth at this position. But you would figure that Rpck would start.

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[quote=stu_nna;287459]The idea of McIntosh playing behind Carter probably doesn't strike fear into opposing rushing offenses either. Marshall is bigger. Hmmm...[/quote]

Highway 99 should only be in on pass downs.

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[quote=12thMan;287456]I'm betting that Rock locks it down. I honestly think it's his to lose. That being said, Marshall is going to be a very good package LB.[/quote]

Agreed. It's definitely a nice "problem" to have.

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Either way, I think Rock deserves a solid shot at being the starter. As previously posted, we've wasted too many draft picks not to at least give him the shot he has earned. London, and Rocky should have the led going into pre-season for the starting jobs. Let the rest of them fight it out. Either way, I think we'll be pretty solid this year with the LB's.

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I feel pretty good with Fletcher, Washington and McIntosh at the LB positions and with Marshall backing all three up. Who else is on the roster at LB? Is Posey still around?

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[QUOTE=Beemnseven;287452]Everybody should be rooting hard for Rocky McIntosh to soundly beat Lemar Marshall in preseason competition.

If he doesn't, consider it yet another 2nd round draft bust.[/QUOTE]

You are a glass is half empty person.

Nobody deserves a position, you earn it. Let the best player win.
I am in favor of the best LB win the position regardless of their name or draft position. I hope they both do well and we have great depth. I have mentioned in a prior post that it will be much easier for Marshall to play Outside LB after after playing at the MLB position. That experience will make him a better football player because MLB is a much more difficult position to play. He will have an immediate advantage over Rocky. But with experience and better athleticism Rocky will catch up and most likely surpass Marshall with time.
No need to be negative about Rocky. He has little NFL experience.

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I'm pretty sure Campbell is still around. We have great depth at Linebacker, no matter who starts...and with the signings at corner, I feel better about our defense going into 2007 than I did going into 2005...

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[quote=Defensewins;287475]You are a glass is half empty person.

Nobody deserves a position, you earn it. Let the best player win.
I am in favor of the best LB win the position regardless of their name or draft position. I hope they both do well and we have great depth. I have mentioned in a prior post that it will be much easier for Marshall to play Outside LB after after playing at the MLB position. That experience will make him a better football player because MLB is a much more difficult position to play. He will have an immediate advantage over Rocky. But with experience and better athleticism Rocky will catch up and most likely surpass Marshall with time.
No need to be negative about Rocky. He has little NFL experience.[/quote]
I'm on board with the logic here. In addition to Marshall's experience and the fact that he'll be an above average WIL i think im switching over for Marshall to start.
Rocky has value on special teams, and he could learn strong side and weak side while backing up the starters, increasing his value to the team. If he doesn't start this year he is certainly not a bust.

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i think both will play a lot and spell each other often to keep both fresh. if they split time it doesnt matter who starts

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[QUOTE=Defensewins;287475]You are a glass is half empty person.

Nobody deserves a position, you earn it. Let the best player win.
I am in favor of the best LB win the position regardless of their name or draft position. I hope they both do well and we have great depth. I have mentioned in a prior post that it will be much easier for Marshall to play Outside LB after after playing at the MLB position. That experience will make him a better football player because MLB is a much more difficult position to play. He will have an immediate advantage over Rocky. But with experience and better athleticism Rocky will catch up and most likely surpass Marshall with time.
No need to be negative about Rocky. He has little NFL experience.[/QUOTE]


Certainly the best player has to win out. If that's Marshall, so be it. I'm just saying, in an ideal world, Rocky will light it up and make obvious he deserves to be the starter.

If he still struggles again in year two, then the chances that we've got ourselves another Greg Jones increases. I suppose it COULD happen that he takes a bit longer to develop and turns into a solid player, but the window closes more and more the longer that takes.

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its is Marshall's job to lose i can't believe some ya shit ya write. i mean tha way marshall being playin since he became a starter now ya wanna shit on a very good player.

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rocky has proven nothing, so as of right now, it has to be marshall. if rocky shows he can actually play, that'd be better, of course.

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[QUOTE=johnjaywilliams;287491]its is Marshall's job to lose i can't believe some ya shit ya write. i mean tha way marshall being playin since he became a starter now ya wanna shit on a very good player.[/QUOTE]
I concur, I think.

Marshall will probably win the spot in camp, but I hope Rocky can take it back after a few games.

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[quote=ArtMonkDrillz;287495]I concur, I think.

Marshall will probably win the spot in camp, but I hope Rocky can take it back after a few games.[/quote]
lol, passionate isn't he?

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[QUOTE=stu_nna;287450]Looks like Fletcher's gonna be the every down middle linebacker, according to redskins.com. With McIntosh going into his second year(and giving up draft picks to get him) and Marshall sliding over to WIL, who is gonna be the Weak side starter? My vote is for Rocky, he has showed some nice flashes when he was annointed a starter, plus the experience would be invaluable. Marshall is so versatile he could back up any linebacker spot without missing a beat. Opinions?[/QUOTE]

Marshall has runthis defense for bout 3 years now. He already has the upper hand by his definitive knowledge of the offense via his MLB signal calling days.

He beats Rocky by a landslide. Plus he played that posistion when Lavar was hurt a few years back. The position is his to lose. Rocky, a 2nd year LB with injury problems(2 knee surgeries in as many years), doesnt really have a shot.

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may the best man win. how old is marshall? this is one position the skins actually have alittle depth now. i can see packages with all 4 of them on the field together. they all have good speed, and can make plays

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[quote=AlvinWalton'sNeckBrace;287476]I'm pretty sure Campbell is still around. We have great depth at Linebacker, no matter who starts....[/quote]

I don't think we have great depth at linebacker at all. McIntosh is still an unknown and every other linebacker on the roster besides these four we are talking about is a situational or plug in player at best. We need at least one more young prospect on that unit for me to feel like we are ok there if someone has a major injury. I hope the move outside will fire Marshall up this year. Two years ago he played very well.

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khary campbell isn't anything more than a special teamer. every time he got on the field in red zone packages, he proceeded to get run over pretty readily.

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I think they will both see the field. However, I'm hoping ROCK VERSION #2 steps it up this year, it should be his time. Little ROCK was here first, he's the original.

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[QUOTE=wilsowilso;287535]I don't think we have great depth at linebacker at all. McIntosh is still an unknown and every other linebacker on the roster besides these four we are talking about is a situational or plug in player at best. We need at least one more young prospect on that unit for me to feel like we are ok there if someone has a major injury. I hope the move outside will fire Marshall up this year. Two years ago he played very well.[/QUOTE]

I hear what you're saying, but I think this year we're pretty much set at linebacker. Next year, I'd look to spend maybe a 2nd or 3rd round pick on a long term project at linebacker, but other than that, I believe we're OK for 2007.

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Lemar "Catfish" Marshall will start the season, and Rocky will come in on certain packages, and if Fletcher or Washington get injured Marshall will take their spot leaving Rocky to start at weakside.

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[quote=RMSkins;287552]Lemar "Catfish" Marshall will start the season, and Rocky will come in on certain packages, and if Fletcher or Washington get injured Marshall will take their spot leaving Rocky to start at weakside.[/quote]


i gotta agree with you 100%. marshall should have a huge advantage over rocky when it comes to knowing this defense.

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I believe that Marshall will start, I want McIntosh to but he definately did not prove to be a starter last year backing up warrick holdman. There has got to be some issues when you are the backup to holdman. I hope he will be a stud, but my gut tells me otherwise.

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Rocky is far superior as an athlete, I was very impressed with the little I saw, personally I think he should have seen much more field time regardless of mistakes we were going no where and the best way to learn is on the job training, with that aside if he can't flat out beat Marshall for the job our coaching staff has to really be called into question, I understand that it takes a little time to learn but he's playing weekside LB we are not splitting the atom here. Marshall should fall into the 4th LB spot he pretty much knows all LB positions on our team, Rocky has to be the front runner going in, and should soundly defeat Marshall in the pre-season.

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[quote=BeastsoftheNFCeast;287563]I believe that Marshall will start, I want McIntosh to but he definately did not prove to be a starter last year backing up warrick holdman. There has got to be some issues when you are the backup to holdman. I hope he will be a stud, but my gut tells me otherwise.[/quote]
Considering the fact that Dale Lindsey has never been satisfied with any linebacker play, i don't think its fair to judge McIntosh off his rookie campain. There was no chance Lindsey would start him over Holdman, regardless of his performance on the practice field.

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I am in no way saying that he will be another Monte Colmen but wouldn't it be great if Marshall would turn into a Colmen type do everything super sub for the Redskins.

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[QUOTE=89moss89;287591]I am in no way saying that he will be another Monte Colmen but wouldn't it be great if Marshall would turn into a Colmen type do everything super sub for the Redskins.[/QUOTE]

To have that type of return, we would have to have drafted Rocky in the equivalent of the 11th round of the draft -- where Monte Coleman was taken -- 289th overall. Can you believe that?

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[quote=stu_nna;287572]Considering the fact that Dale Lindsey has never been satisfied with any linebacker play, i don't think its fair to judge McIntosh off his rookie campain. There was no chance Lindsey would start him over Holdman, regardless of his performance on the practice field.[/quote]


and that kind of stupid thinking is exactly why he is no longer with the team and as for our linebacker situation i see marshall starting the first 2 or 3 games and then rocky will emerge (he better seeing all what we gave up for that guy)

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With Marshall's experience at WLB and MLB gives us great depth. Lets remember that Marshall had a decent year in 2005 and made some plays that helped us win some games.

I wouldn't write off Marshall yet. He played banged up last year and still did an alright job.

I think we have good depth at the LB position.

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What about a linebacker by commitee situation?

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[QUOTE=PorterHouse;287658]What about a linebacker by commitee situation?[/QUOTE]
Or would there be a chance that Williams will want to run some 3-4 packages during the a game???

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ummm rocky macintosh is nowhere close to marshall. i see rocky on the bench for a while, maybe every now and then come in to give breathers.

i like rocky but i think we messed up going after him like we did.

marshall is a beast. bottom line.

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marshall is not a beast, but he's serviceable when healthy and he can be good if the DL can protect him from getting washed out on blocks, which didn't happen last year.

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[quote=That Guy;287674]marshall is not a beast, but he's serviceable when healthy and he can be good if the DL can protect him from getting washed out on blocks, which didn't happen last year.[/quote]
this is a good point. most productive linebackers have a very good front four keeping linemen from getting to them