Patten released
 

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I always liked him, kind bummed it didn't work out here. But it's for the best

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surprised we couldnt get ANYTHING for him...

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Too bad that it didnt work out. I thought it was a great signing when it happened.

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[quote=SmootSmack;290290]I always liked him, kind bummed it didn't work out here. But it's for the best[/quote]What he said.

Don't let no one say GTripp doesn't earn his bans!

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[quote=skinsWill;290294]Too bad that it didnt work out. I thought it was a great signing when it happened.[/quote]

yea, i thought it was a good signing too. i wish it would have worked out better.

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I liked David P. but we're awfully thick at that position to keep a guy who can't contribute on spec. teams. Maybe Espy can earn a spot.

I'll await all our cap experts to break down the significance on that end. I recall several saying that it would count 1-2 mil against the cap this year to release him.

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he sucked anyways

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So we've saved 7 million on the cap for 2008 already with the releases of him and Archuleta.

We just may have the cap room to make a free agent signing next year after all!

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I don't like it, he wasn't a bad 4th option. I think they have could have had someone else play special teams. I don't know, I always liked him. Whatever...it was bound to happen and I was planning on it happening, I just wished it had worked out. Not necessarily a bad move, but he was a good insurance policy if guys started going down.

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Outside of Brunell, Springs, Daniels, and Wynn, anybody could be back next year (2008). These moves mean that Griffin and Washington are no longer possible cap casulties. However, if their level of play continues to fall, we should cut bait to open up our 2009 cap some.

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i think mike espy has the potential to be better than patten... and he's got more size to him as well.... younger too Espy>Patten hopefully he proves it.

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It's about time. He never really got anything going in D.C. Yet another wasted signing.

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I liked the signing when he first arived but Patten was never acountable. If a guy can't be counted on to be on the field, he's of limited value. I thought we should have cut him last year because he wasn't going to do anything for his roster spot. He does not play ST's, and he caught a grand total of one pass last season, no way such limited production warrant's a roster spot. This opens an opportunity for the development of a younger player.

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Ever since he got hurt his first year here, things went downhill for him. Good move by the FO.

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why couldnt we get ANYTHING for him?

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[QUOTE=Meks;290333]why couldnt we get ANYTHING for him?[/QUOTE]


It's not likely a team will surrender anything for a player of his age and injury history that's about to be releaded anyway.

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[quote=Meks;290333]why couldnt we get ANYTHING for him?[/quote]

What would you have offered for a 11 year vet with 14 games played, and 23 catches the last 2 seasons?

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[quote=Meks;290333]why couldnt we get ANYTHING for him?[/quote]

Because he has no value.

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thought he was really going to contribute when he signed. you know what they say, cant help the team from the trainers tub

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7th round pick

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Nice guy who was a talented player, but it clearly didnt work out and it was time to move on. I wish him the best in his future endeavours, be they in the NFL or in automobile sales

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[quote=Mattyk72;290348]What would you have offered for a 11 year vet with 14 games played, and 23 catches the last 2 seasons?[/quote]


NOTTA! To bad it didn't work for us. DP just never could get it going OR stay healthy long enough to get it going. I think mother time has caught up with DP, not much time left. HAPPY TRAILS

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[quote=Meks;290358]7th round pick[/quote]

NEVER????? LOL

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good for both parties. patten still can play for some team out there, and he was going to get limited time here. i thought it was a very good signing because he was a versatile player who was a good character guy, but he got injured and didnt get many opportunites after that.

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good points for the most part here - he was injured more than he played, he's old, he dosn't play spec. teams, and he was a 2nd or 3rd wr in his prime.

I think we have to say it was a good signing overall. Before anybody quotes his low #s, remember that early in 05 our O opened up the vertical passing game & although he didn't catch a lot, he was a respected deep threat in the nfl who drew attention. When he & Thomas went down we struggled. It would've been interesting to see what he could've done in 05 playoffs if we hadn't put him on IR. Clearly Taylor Jacobs didn't step up the way the coaches thought he could.

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Gotta have a guy that plays special teams as the 3rd or 4th receiver. When he dropped last year, the writing was on the wall.

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I still wonder if we could have gotten by with Patten last year rather than having to spend a 3rd and a 4th for Lloyd.

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Patten was a great locker room guy, and I wish he could have brought more to this team production wise, but you have to admire the way he handled himself through two tough years here, it seemed like he was always there for the team. Sorry to see Patten go but hopefully this move makes room for a youngblood like Espy.

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Hopefully this will open up a roster spot for Mike Epsy or another unproven rookie we bring in. I like the move and I hope his saved us some money. I'd really like to see a young guy starting to be groomed in this offense.

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[quote=Beemnseven;290400]I still wonder if we could have gotten by with Patten last year rather than having to spend a 3rd and a 4th for Lloyd.[/quote]

He was hurt the whole season. He wasn't an option.

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[quote=Beemnseven;290400]I still wonder if we could have gotten by with Patten last year rather than having to spend a 3rd and a 4th for Lloyd.[/quote]The funny thing was that James Thrash did way better than either of them in far fewer oppertunities.

You can't make the Lloyd deal look good no matter how you spin it. We overvalued him three times last year. First, we sent picks for a receiver whose identical quality can be found on the waiver wire at any point. Second, we gave Lloyd a big money deal even though we had him under a test contract. Third, we gave him playing time that Randle El and Thrash deserved early last season.

Patten was an apparently good signing when we made it happen in that he had No. 1 receiver potential based on his prior stats in NE. But for whatever reason, he was horrible here in the first half of 2005, and injured in the second. Obviously, he didn't see a lot of passes with Moss having the year he was, but he saw fewer passes the few prior years in NE and did way better. It was just the classic case of a skill position player hitting the wall, and unfortunately for us, it happened the year we signed him. It sucks, but hey, what can you do?

Lloyd was a 4th round pick who hasn't done crap to prove that he deserved to go any higher. Yet, due to some gross talent evaluation by Al Saunders [who probably shouldn't be evaluating talent, at least let Gibbs do it], he's getting paid bazillions, while Freddie Mitchell rots in receiver hell some where (I know FredEx has character issues and would not be a good fit here, but I'm trying to find a crappy comparision for Lloyd that can be found on the waiver wire).

But teams that have No. 1 targets like Moss, and in our case, a compliment that is Cooley, should probably refrain from investing in more receivers. It becomes impossible to keep them all happy.

Patten was never going to get another chance here. He was more than expendable.

Good signing to get him here, but his time was up.

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[quote=GTripp0012;290463]The funny thing was that James Thrash did way better than either of them in far fewer oppertunities.

You can't make the Lloyd deal look good no matter how you spin it. We overvalued him three times last year. First, we sent picks for a receiver whose identical quality can be found on the waiver wire at any point. Second, we gave Lloyd a big money deal even though we had him under a test contract. Third, we gave him playing time that Randle El and Thrash deserved early last season.

Patten was an apparently good signing when we made it happen in that he had No. 1 receiver potential based on his prior stats in NE. But for whatever reason, he was horrible here in the first half of 2005, and injured in the second. Obviously, he didn't see a lot of passes with Moss having the year he was, but he saw fewer passes the few prior years in NE and did way better. It was just the classic case of a skill position player hitting the wall, and unfortunately for us, it happened the year we signed him. It sucks, but hey, what can you do?

Lloyd was a 4th round pick who hasn't done crap to prove that he deserved to go any higher. Yet, due to some gross talent evaluation by Al Saunders [who probably shouldn't be evaluating talent, at least let Gibbs do it], he's getting paid bazillions, while Freddie Mitchell rots in receiver hell some where (I know FredEx has character issues and would not be a good fit here, but I'm trying to find a crappy comparision for Lloyd that can be found on the waiver wire).

But teams that have No. 1 targets like Moss, and in our case, a compliment that is Cooley, should probably refrain from investing in more receivers. It becomes impossible to keep them all happy.

Patten was never going to get another chance here. He was more than expendable.

Good signing to get him here, but his time was up.[/quote]

I agree w/all of this post & found it to be very insightful, except the part about Patten not playing well in early 05. He had 22 catches - not a lot- but commanded respect from corners & helped open up the offense. We missed him when he was hurt that year.

Good points about Loyd, but I don't know if we can blame Al S. I would like to know whose idea it was to bring him in though. Let's hope since he's here that he starts making some big plays & keeps his mouth shut.

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I don't know that it is all Lloyd fault... many time I saw him wide open in games and they just didn't throw the ball to him. maybe next season will be better

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[quote=diehardskin2982;290498]I don't know that it is all Lloyd fault... many time I saw him wide open in games and they just didn't throw the ball to him. maybe next season will be better[/quote]I'm not saying Lloyd isn't capable of running/catching, I'm asking why Brandon Lloyd is getting 4.5 million a year to drop passes when players of his caliber like Freddie Mitchell can't even find work.

For the record, I really don't like Freddie Mitchell, he's just the first name that came to mind.

But theres a big discrepancy between 4.5 mil a year, and league minimum. Lloyd must be the luckiest guy in the league, and probably the most blantently overpaid, measured in bang for your buck.

The Archuleta deal was defensible, at least. Expensive and ended up being very costly, but you can at least defend spending on a guy that while playing in St. Louis the prior season, only allowed 5 yards a play on plays where he was involved (this is spectacular for a safety). Now, we ended up purchasing damaged goods, so the signing ended up screwing us big time, but the point is that the Arch signing was [B]defensible[/B].

Paying 30 million over 7 years AND giving up two draft picks to get a guy whose quality can be found in most urban areas is [B]completely indefensible[/B]. That's the point. I'm not saying Brandon Lloyd can't run and catch the ball when he's open (sometimes). I'm saying that he doesn't bring anything of value to the table over say, Freddie Mitchell (who I presume would gladly play for league min). So for him to be getting more than the league minimum is simple overvaluation. For him to be getting paid like a top receiver in this league is simple stupidity.

Bottom line: we are paying WAY too much at the receiver position considering we really don't have an overload of talent there. Patten was a necessary cut.

I'll try to stop ranting about Lloyd, but to the FO's credit, they didn't make any stupid moves this year for me to vent on.

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As far as a 4th receiver, Thrash will do just fine. And if one of the younger guys picks up the pace (Espy), then so be it. But there was no reason to keep Patten around when he's of no value to the organization based on the last 2 years.

And as said before, no one's gonna want to spend anything on a guy who was bound to be released anyways...

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GTripp:

If you are looking for an example of a wide receiver who isn't getting paid nearly what Lloyd is getting and who has the same ability to drop passes and be a malcontent, remember an old Warpath favorite ----- Rod Gardner.


BTW, FredEx is supposedly trying to latch on with the Toronto Argonauts in the CFL. Hope he kept that floor length fur coat he had. He'll need it for late season games in Saskatchawan and Winnipeg and Edmonton.

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My kingdom for a BIG receiver!

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And he won't have to buy gloves either. Those oven mitts looked WARM.

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Surprisingly, I'm not ready to throw Lloyd off the train just yet. Any receiver should be given the benefit of the doubt when Gramps has to heave it for all he's worth on 10-yard curl pattern.

I'd give Lloyd one more season, and if he doesn't offer a good option as a complimentary role opposite Santana Moss, then as a real estate agent, I will personally offer my services to help ship his ass outta town.