Jeremiah Trotter Signs with iggles!
 

Trotter finally signs...

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With the iggles...

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I hate the to see PHI get better by signing any good player. And Trotter looks much more intimidating in Eagle green.

I knew this would happen. We should have traded him for a 7th round pick to the Texans or something just to get him the hell out of our division!!!!!

You guys are assuming he's going to see any playing time.

I hope Andy Reid gave him a Diet Coke to help him swallow all that pride...

[QUOTE=PSUskinsfan11]I knew this would happen. We should have traded him for a 7th round pick to the Texans or something just to get him the hell out of our division!!!!![/QUOTE]
I agree!! Watch next year he will be healthy and get over a hundred tackles in his sleep. I hope not but I won't be suprised if Trotter has a really good year. :frusty:

"I hope not but I won't be suprised if Trotter has a really good year."

IMHO, barring injury to Simoneau, who is pencilled in as the starter at middle linebacker, Trotter will not get much playing time.

[QUOTE=PSUskinsfan11]I knew this would happen. We should have traded him for a 7th round pick to the Texans or something just to get him the hell out of our division!!!!![/QUOTE]
This is silly, no one was going to assume that contract. If we could have, why would'nt we have?

corrected link:
[url="http://www.philadelphiaeagles.com/homeNewsDetail.jsp?id=12384"]http://www.philadelphiaeagles.com/homeNewsDetail.jsp?id=12384[/url]

[QUOTE=Carnage]This is silly, no one was going to assume that contract. If we could have, why would'nt we have?[/QUOTE]


they signed him for less than a million for one year

Right...because we cut him, to trade him, another team would have to assume the numbers on the contract we were paying him.

[QUOTE=hurrykaine]"I hope not but I won't be suprised if Trotter has a really good year."

IMHO, barring injury to Simoneau, who is pencilled in as the starter at middle linebacker, Trotter will not get much playing time.[/QUOTE]

Well see. Get back to me in Oct... :cool-smil

I didn't like cutting Trotter then and I still don't. First of all, we never saw his potential because our dline sucked so bad that he couldn't use his talents. Arrington was able to avoid such a problem because he is much faster and can elude blocking Olinemen when faced with a rushing attack. Second, he had over 100 tackles in his first year with the 'Skins even though he missed 4 games. Third, he led the team in tackles last year despite the fact that he was still recovering from a catastrophic knee injury. Fourth, we're going to take a massive cap hit next year. Fifth, he's 27, Barrow's what 106? Fifth, he had a solid work ethic a good character. Sixth, I'm sick and tired of our constant roster turnover. Seventh, I remember that he had some really solid [I][I]games [/I] [/I] (one in Week 1 against the Jets and two in Week 17 against the Eagles) and had only a few really bad [I]plays[/I].

[QUOTE=Ramseyfan]I didn't like cutting Trotter then and I still don't. First of all, we never saw his potential because our dline sucked so bad that he couldn't use his talents. Arrington was able to avoid such a problem because he is much faster and can elude blocking Olinemen when faced with a rushing attack. Second, he had over 100 tackles in his first year with the 'Skins even though he missed 4 games. Third, he led the team in tackles last year despite the fact that he was still recovering from a catastrophic knee injury. Fourth, we're going to take a massive cap hit next year. Fifth, he's 27, Barrow's what 106? Fifth, he had a solid work ethic a good character. Sixth, I'm sick and tired of our constant roster turnover. Seventh, I remember that he had some really solid [I][I]games [/I] [/I] (one in Week 1 against the Jets and two in Week 17 against the Eagles) and had only a few really bad [I]plays[/I].[/QUOTE]

RF what happened did you run out of number's? :rofl: I happen to agree with you on most point's, Trotter was never used correctly, and let's face it what player was under Edward's? He need's to be in an attack style defense where he's alway's going forward, none of this read and react garbage, I think Edward's scheme above anything, even his injury, was the main cause for his lack of production, although Trotter will be a force to be reconned with, because philli undoubtedly know's how to use him, I would rather have Barrow for the next 2 year's, he is a play maker, and he can cover player's out of the backfield, unlike Trotter, William's D is not suited for Trotter, even if Trotter had a monster year for us, we still may have traded him, he doesn't suit what we want to do, living in jersey I have watched Barrow for the last 4 or 5 year's, and the guy is something else, Lavar couldn't believe how fast Barrow was, this guy is a real football player, he has big time instinct's and heart, just ask any Giant fan, they are furious that Barrow was allowed to leave, he still has gas in the tank. But Trotter will be a steal for the Iggles.

Essentially, we have a different type of player now with Barrow. Trotter, as Offiss said, is used more efficiently in an attack style. He is a talented athlete with a good work ethic, but he does not have great read and react skills. On the other hand, now we have Barrow. He is a football player with tremendous instincts and he reads and reacts with the best of them. He may not show the propensity to blitz that Trotter does, but that just goes to show that everyone has their strengths and their weaknesses.

I have a feeling that when the eagles play us and if trotter is playing he will be a monster. He will be pissed at us and take us to the cleaners because we aren't fans of having players leave happy, it will be like Stephen against us in pre-season.

This deal really worries me. I remember being ecstatic when we signed Trotter two years ago. He’s a young, blue-collar type player who meshes well with his team mates. He may not have fit well into Williams’ scheme but the front office should have done everything under the sun to keep him from going to another NFC East team; much less the favored Eagles. Word around their camp is that Simoneau wears down easy and Nate Webster did little to establish himself as a defensive force. Andy Reid does not wear his emotions or thoughts on his sleeve and I’d be willing to bet himself and Jim Johnson are elated over the opportunity to plug Trotter back into their attack / blitz first scheme. Plus this gives the atrocious Eagles fans another opportunity to gloat over the ‘Skins. I really wouldn’t be surprised if he establishes himself as the starter at the conclusion of training camp. He may have borrowed his knee ligaments from Raef Lafrentz but he is only 27 and prefers down hill tackling over the read and react style that Offiss described.

he is gonna be a beast next year why... the eagles know how to use him we didn't all he can do is blitz

secondly he has a chip on his shoulder especially for us

lastly it takes about 2 years to fully heal from the injury he had. expect him to make an impact

We have bigger worries than Trotter.

He'll probably be a solid contributor for them but I'm not sure he'll return to his previous Pro Bowl form. He stands a better chance of blowing another knee out.

i have no doubt that he'll be worth the money... even last year he wasnt bad... we did start him didn't we? he misses assignments, and i think barrow is much better for us, but i dont doubt he'll help the iggles.

guys, this SUCKS. this will haunt us. its just a matter of how much..

Trotter always had the talent and drive, but bad circumstances always kept him just GOOD and not GREAT. injury and revolving def. coordinators would do that to anyone. can't believe we didnt try harder to renogotiate or something. this is about as bad an outcome as there could've been. back to the Eagles? UGH.

i don't get it. Armstead and Trotter were serious, consistent warriors for us and we dumped them pretty unceremoniously. experienced, high character guys, that no one could blame our defensive woes on. did everyone expect 3 LaVar Arringtons?

Another reason for him to play well this year: He signed a one year contract for under a million, so he'll be playing hard to get another big contract in 2005....

trotter couldnt read and react, and he missed assignments... i think we're better on LBs now then we were last year... trotter's not bad, but i doubt he would've accepted under a million here and a possible demotion. iggles got a deal cause no one else made a real offer. that'd be my guess anyways.

The reason Trotter is with the Eagles is that he finally figured out that he wasn't going to get any team to pay him more than $1M per year. The problem with the Redskins keeping him is that they had him signed to a 5 year deal worth $35M. (Do the math folks.) If the Skins keep him, he costs a bundle; if they cut him, some other team can get him for what he is worth - less than $1M per year.

The roots of the Redskins' problem goes back to the boneheaded decision made by the FO when Trotter had his "franchise player tag" lifted by the Eagles. The Sklins' FO swooped in and gave him the contract the Eagles thought was an outrageous demand. The Skins' FO - lots of fans - spent about a month gloating over how they had taken this critically important cog out of a division rival's machinery. Guess not...

I can't fault the FO for making the Trotter move. At the time it happened we appeared to have one of the best LB corps in the league. Arrington, Armstead and Trotter, who wouldn't have wanted that group?? We also killed two birds with one stone by taking away a key player from a division rival. A lot of people, fans and media alike, applauded the move and thought that the Skins defense was going to be significantly better because of it.

First Trotter had difficulty adjusting to Marvin Lewis' defense, but then again who didn't? Then, once he started to get the hang of things, he blows out his knee. To be fair to Trotter he never really got the chance to shine in this defense. But then again, there was a reason the Eagles let him go without much of a fight. His well documented knee problems were out there on the table for everyone to see, and the Redskins rolled the dice and lost.

It was an aggressive move that just didn't pan out. I can't fault them for trying, was he overpaid, definitely, but that's Snyder's MO. Was it the worst move Snyder has made? Not even close IMO.

letting davis go or hiring all those 80 year old big names were far worse...

Deion was still the worst move of them all IMO.

[QUOTE=CrazyCanuck]Deion was still the worst move of them all IMO.[/QUOTE]

Agreed. Jeff George was a close second though....

[QUOTE=illdefined]guys, this SUCKS. this will haunt us. its just a matter of how much..

Trotter always had the talent and drive, but bad circumstances always kept him just GOOD and not GREAT. injury and revolving def. coordinators would do that to anyone. can't believe we didnt try harder to renogotiate or something. this is about as bad an outcome as there could've been. back to the Eagles? UGH.

i don't get it. Armstead and Trotter were serious, consistent warriors for us and we dumped them pretty unceremoniously. experienced, high character guys, that no one could blame our defensive woes on. did everyone expect 3 LaVar Arringtons?[/QUOTE]

If Trotter is so good. How come it took so long for a team to sign him? I don't think he sucks, but I would rather have Barrow. He has experience, and he's a team leader......that's one thing Trotter isn't.

Canning Norv with 3 games remaining wasn't the smartest of moves either. Even though the team was struggling they were still alive in the playoff hunt at 7-6.

The team threw in the towel once Norv was fired.

Trotter has only played with two teams. on the Eagles he rocked, on the Skins, in the most turbulent of times he played decent. how well did Arrington play under the def. coordinator merry-go-round?

no one knows him closely except these teams and dont know how well he will recover from the knee 2 years ago. and he was used to the Skins money, thats why no one attempted to sign him. didnt mean he's not a good player. hope he doesnt get to prove it now that he's on the eagles.

Matty:

I have two problems with your view of Trotter and the Skins' move to sign him.

1. Trotter was - and still is - a good linebacker. The problem with Trotter was his assessment that he was a GREAT linebacker. The contract he demanded from the Eagles - which got his ass cut from the team - and the one he got from Danny Boy paid him more than Ray Lewis was making at that time. Think about that for a minute from the perspective of how the hell Trotter could have possibly thought he was in Ray Lewis' league and from the perspective of how that contract could be a good value to a team that gave him that contract. Here is what that tells me: (A) Trotter's opinion of himself is way beyond reality. (B) Danny Boy is not a great judge of linebacking talent and what you should pay to get it.


2. You say that everyone had trouble adapting to Marvin Lewis' system - almost as if that excuses Trotter and others for their performances on the field. Excuse me, but Marvin Lewis has been able to teach his system to players at more than a few other teams and be very successful in doing so. (See Pittsburgh, Baltimore, Minnesota and Cincy...) But the Redskins just could not get it? And that makes Lewis' system to blame? I might suggest that their failure to figure out how to run the Marvin Lewis defense showed that they are either less talented than they have been given credit for or they are not smart emough to pick this up quickly.


Just a thought... And by the way, I think the signing of Jeff George was 100 times worse than the signing of Jeremiah Trotter.

[QUOTE=sportscurmudgeon]2. You say that everyone had trouble adapting to Marvin Lewis' system - almost as if that excuses Trotter and others for their performances on the field. Excuse me, but Marvin Lewis has been able to teach his system to players at more than a few other teams and be very successful in doing so. (See Pittsburgh, Baltimore, Minnesota and Cincy...) But the Redskins just could not get it? And that makes Lewis' system to blame? I might suggest that their failure to figure out how to run the Marvin Lewis defense showed that they are either less talented than they have been given credit for or they are not smart emough to pick this up quickly.[/QUOTE]

werent we ranked the 5th overall defense in the NFL that year? the system worked. as did our linebackers. as did Trotter. what didnt work was changing systems up every year since and catastrophic knee injury. Trotter never had a consistent chance. young, healed up, in familiar territory and system with something to prove to everybody, i'm not gonna take my eyes off him next year.