NFL Network: Bears' Briggs, 31st Pick for Skins' 6th Pick?
 

no link to this story but on the nfl network on the scroll on the bottom of the screen for the bears they are saying they are considering trading briggs and the 31st overall in the first round for the skins 6th pick in the first round.

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If true, we would be getting bent over.

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i dont like it either. if this does happen we better be going to the 3-4 defense

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If we go ahead with this trade, I guess we've already given up on Rocky (and the 2 2nd rounder we used to get him).

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I think this would be a horrible deal for us. Ill take Briggs, the 31st pick, their 2nd rounder, and maybe their third. Then maybe.

If we trade away the 6th pick, Im skipping the Draft Day party, because obviously the FO doesn't take it seriously.

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As you guys may have noticed, I tend to think the Skins FO is unnecessarily vilified for a lot of the moves they make. But if this trade goes through like this, I really can't see any way to justify it

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I have a hard time seeing a move like this fitting into our offseason philosophy.

I don't think it would happen. But, like Smootsmack just said, talk of such a move is unsettling.

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briggs is looking too get payed alot. we need help up front with our d-line. i could see a trade if it was for a stud at DE or DT but we dont need a linebacker. or a guy looking to make the big money and never produce like we are used to as skins fans with our FA signings over the last couple years

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yea i dont agree with it at all.... mcintosh is fine, marshall isnt bad either... but we need out 6th pick, or at least to trade down a few spots.. but we can go allll the way down to 31.. and then we have no other picks the 1st day? ... i would skip going to the draft party too.

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my heart sank. this would be terrible. last i checked, briggs doesn't play DE or DT. getting a bit angry thinking about it.

don't get me wrong, briggs is great and a big upgrade over marshall, but we've got 3 starters and an untested rookie at LB, so giving him an AT type deal without addressing the DL seems a little backwards...

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i actually think this would be a really good deal. briggs would be an upgrade over both washington and macintosh on the outside and we'd still have a first round pick, although much lower. we'd have awesome linebacker depth and would be able to rotate them. briggs is a pro bowl linebacker, this is a good deal if it happens IMO. this is a deep draft, there will be a good player at 31 and would upgrade the defense

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This rumor can't be true, as it is stated. I could maybe understand if we got a 2nd AND 3rd round pick in addition but PLEASE tell me this is a joke if we are just swapping 1st round picks.

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[quote=Big C;291474]i actually think this would be a really good deal. briggs would be an upgrade over both washington and macintosh on the outside and we'd still have a first round pick, although much lower. we'd have awesome linebacker depth and would be able to rotate them. briggs is a pro bowl linebacker, this is a good deal if it happens IMO. this is a deep draft, there will be a good player at 31 and would upgrade the defense[/quote]I think this trade could be justified on draft day if we could find an impact D Lineman at 31, but I wouldn't gamble on that happening.

Briggs would be our best LB, but this is the type of move that has burned us bad in the past. A potentially (because we don't know how much of his production was simply a product of his situation) overrated linebacker and a non impact 31st pick for the 6th pick in the draft.

I don't like it at all.

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[QUOTE=That Guy;291472]my heart sank. this would be terrible. last i checked, briggs doesn't play DE or DT. getting a bit angry thinking about it.

don't get me wrong, briggs is great and a big upgrade over marshall, but we've got 3 starters and an untested rookie at LB, so giving him an AT type deal without addressing the DL seems a little backwards...[/QUOTE]

Angry is probably the best emotion on this deal. I swear if we pull this deal it will test the hearts and minds of many.

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[quote=That Guy;291472]my heart sank. this would be terrible. last i checked, briggs doesn't play DE or DT. getting a bit angry thinking about it.

don't get me wrong, briggs is great and a big upgrade over marshall, but we've got 3 starters and an untested rookie at LB, so giving him an AT type deal without addressing the DL seems a little backwards...[/quote]


posts like this remind me why i joined this site if we dont get their 2nd rounder with this than this trade is bullshit i mean briggs is good but what the hell we are dropping 25 picks not to mention the ost important thing WE ARENT GETTING ANY MORE IN RETURN DONT LIKE IT AT ALL RIGHT NOW

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I think Briggs is amazin'... he was all over the place during the SB and would fit in well here but that means bye bye to Marshall or Rocky so Im on the fence ...

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if this were to go down (i hope it does) i think we'd have to try and sign ian scott, and maybe briggs could persuade us to do so since he is a former team mate

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i dont want this to happen either but rajmahal what r u talking about we should also a 2 and 3 rounder too. he has a franchise tag on him we should be giving up more too get him. maybe if we our defense only needed to improve at LB i would be ok with this trade but thats not the case.

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[quote=Big C;291474]i actually think this would be a really good deal. briggs would be an upgrade over both washington and macintosh on the outside and we'd still have a first round pick, although much lower. we'd have awesome linebacker depth and would be able to rotate them. briggs is a pro bowl linebacker, this is a good deal if it happens IMO. this is a deep draft, there will be a good player at 31 and would upgrade the defense[/quote]


if they dont pick up an additional pick then i dont like it at all

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[QUOTE=SmootSmack;291467]As you guys may have noticed, I tend to think the Skins FO is unnecessarily vilified for a lot of the moves they make. But if this trade goes through like this, I really can't see any way to justify it[/QUOTE]

I agree on both counts. Yet more ammo for the press and, this time, we'd deserve taking all the fire.

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The total trade value from a trade back from the 6th pick to the 31st pick is worth 1000 points. 1000 points is equivlant to the 16th pick in the draft.

Would a smart team ever trade a top half 1st round pick for a linebacker? Of course not. That's why I don't see this deal as anything more than preliminary trade talks. Probably Chicago's preliminary offer. These trade talks might not even go anywhere.

Let's not all get worked up about this just yet.

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[quote=Big C;291485]if this were to go down (i hope it does) i think we'd have to try and sign ian scott, and maybe briggs could persuade us to do so since he is a former team mate[/quote]Where would we get the money for both Briggs and Scott? Cutting Wynn?

I don't see anyway our DL could come out better if we make this trade.

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I like our current LBs, Washington is amazing and Rocky is an up and comer, and Marshall is alright. Squash this trade and get what the team needs, DE/DT.

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Honestly, have we not learned our lesson to this point? I mean we as in the Redskins community. We hear one little trade rumor and we run with it. This isn't going to happen, just like the 50 other trade rumors that haven't happened since the offseason started.
Do we even have the room under the cap to pull off such a deal?
A lot of times, there is a "leak" from someone in the orginization, and some glue sniffing intern might have heard that the Bears brass was interested in this deal, (why wouldn't they be?) and then instantly thought it was news worthy. I just don't think the Skins brass are THAT dumb. I know they have been fairly dumb on certain moves, but not THAT dumb.

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Moreover, Briggs, who will turn 27 in November, is 7 years older than Okoye and 5 years older than most draftees. Shouldn't we be adding youth to the unit? 27 isn't ancient by any means, but I'd prefer to add solid youth at a position of real need.

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I don't see how we can realistically afford this guy if already won't accept franchise tag compensation. The signing bonus would break our bank for the next 5 years or so. If the deal goes through then the Defense must be totally convinced that our D-Line is already set for 2007.

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Sounds like BS to me.

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[QUOTE=jsarno;291494]Honestly, have we not learned our lesson to this point? I mean we as in the Redskins community. We hear one little trade rumor and we run with it. This isn't going to happen, just like the 50 other trade rumors that haven't happened since the offseason started.
Do we even have the room under the cap to pull off such a deal?
A lot of times, there is a "leak" from someone in the orginization, and some glue sniffing intern might have heard that the Bears brass was interested in this deal, (why wouldn't they be?) and then instantly thought it was news worthy. I just don't think the Skins brass are THAT dumb. I know they have been fairly dumb on certain moves, but not THAT dumb.[/QUOTE]

When the leak is reported by two of the industry's top league insiders I don't think it is premature to discuss it.

I am hoping and praying this is posturing by the Bears to up the value they can get for Briggs. Set the market type stuff.

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i really like Briggs. the name of the game is play makers. and Briggs is definitely one of those. but our dline is so bad, and our linebackers are really OK right now, that this trade isn't good for the redskins. anyone know how old Briggs is?

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[QUOTE=Sheriff Gonna Getcha;291496]Moreover, Briggs, who will turn 27 in November, is 7 years older than Okoye and 5 years older than most draftees. Shouldn't we be adding youth to the unit? 27 isn't ancient by any means, but I'd prefer to add solid youth at a position of real need.[/QUOTE]

well marshall is 30 and will be 31 in december and washington is turning 30 this year, fletcher is 32 so we arent exactly youthful at the linebacker position, this would help

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I have no problem with Briggs but for once I want to come out as a clear winner on one of these deals. To me a fairer deal would Briggs,2nd and 4th for our 1st. So to win I want their Briggs,2nd and 3rd. To me any lower than that and we don't win the trade.

For crissakes the guy wants out and he is being voacl about it. We should have leverage here.

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[quote=jsarno;291494]Honestly, have we not learned our lesson to this point? I mean we as in the Redskins community. We hear one little trade rumor and we run with it. This isn't going to happen, just like the 50 other trade rumors that haven't happened since the offseason started.
Do we even have the room under the cap to pull off such a deal?
A lot of times, there is a "leak" from someone in the orginization, and some glue sniffing intern might have heard that the Bears brass was interested in this deal, (why wouldn't they be?) and then instantly thought it was news worthy. I just don't think the Skins brass are THAT dumb. I know they have been fairly dumb on certain moves, but not THAT dumb.[/quote]The difference with this is that two seperate sources, NFL Network and Jay Glazer, reported this. So the talks, at least, are factual.

Not sure how much that means at this point. So we've contacted the Bears about Briggs. Maybe it's just due process. Who knows at this point?

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[quote=FRPLG;291506]I have no problem with Briggs but for once I want to come out as a clear winner on one of these deals. To me a fairer deal would Briggs,2nd and 4th for our 1st. So to win I want their Briggs,2nd and 3rd. To me any lower than that and we don't win the trade.

For crissakes the guy wants out and he is being voacl about it. We should have leverage here.[/quote]


i still want their first pick briggs their first, second for our 6th

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I didn't see a link if here so here you all go.

[QUOTE][LEFT]'SKINS MAKING A PLAY FOR BRIGGS?[/LEFT]
[LEFT]Adam Schefter of NFL Network and Jay Glazer of FOXSports.com report that the Redskins and Bears are contemplating a trade that would send the No. 6 overall pick to Chicago for linebacker Lance Briggs and the No. 31 overall pick in the draft.[/LEFT]
[LEFT]But didn't the 'Skins learn last year the folly of trying to force a Tampa 2 specialist into Gregg Williams' defense? Though we can't fault Adam Archuleta (one of our sponsors) for taking $10 million guaranteed, the Redskins should have considered more carefully the question of whether the player would fit within the system.[/LEFT]
[LEFT]Briggs' success possibly is a product of his role as the weakside linebacker in the Tampa 2 defense, which gives him a lot of freedom to roam in open space and make tackles. As the "will" in a traditional 4-3, will he be as effective?[/LEFT]
[LEFT]It's a big risk for the Redskins to take, in our view. But we have a feeling that owner Dan Snyder (who has been uncharacteristically quiet in free agency) is itching to make a big deal, especially at a time when he's rubbing elbows with his 31 partners/competitors at the NFL's 2007 Annual Meeting.[/LEFT]
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According to [URL="http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/6613558"]Jay Glazer[/URL], Dan Snyder personally told FoxSports that he is interested in the trade.

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This is a very bad trade, we get a LB that has been protected by the skills of his defensive line and not to mention the best MLB in the NFL in Brian Urlacher, dont forget this is the same defense that made Warrick Holdman look like an All-pro, I dont really understand where we gain any ground here, we could select a defensive lineman or even Calvin Johnson if he falls and that would be ten times better, hell we could wait til' next year and select Xavier Adibi and pair him with Mcintosh, or we could just trade back pick Pat Willis and still get Victor Abiamiri in the second round and that would work out better for us. Lets face it folks, were rebuilding our defense and we are a long shot to make the superbowl to say the least, but lets do this the right way, lets not try to rebuild over night like every other time before.

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There is only one way i would do this and thats only if they throw in there 2nd round pick.

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[QUOTE=GTripp0012;291507]The difference with this is that two seperate sources, NFL Network and Jay Glazer, reported this. So the talks, at least, are factual.

Not sure how much that means at this point. So we've contacted the Bears about Briggs. Maybe it's just due process. Who knows at this point?[/QUOTE]

I'm not saying the talks aren't factual. You have to ask yourself, how many times have you heard about a trade rumor that happened exactly the way you heard it? Not very many.
I'm sure a lot of teams have contacted the Bears about Briggs. Just cause they want the 1st round pick, doesn't mean they get it. And getting thier 31st in return is not a fair deal for us. Obviously, otherwise the trade would have happened, not be a rumor.

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[quote=Sheriff Gonna Getcha;291513]According to [URL="http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/6613558"]Jay Glazer[/URL], Dan Snyder personally told FoxSports that he is interested in the trade.[/quote]Now I'm just confused. He's a smarter businessman than that.

Something about this whole deal just seems off.

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I've always sorta gone against the grain and thought that you can build a team through a mixed FA-Draft approach (in lieu of a draft centered approach), but the Redskins are really going overboard. I'm not sold on the idea that any GM would improve our FO, but I'm starting to think that maybe that theory has some validity.