The Last Briggs Thread? Bears Say No Deal
 

[url=http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/6640430]FOX Sports - NFL - Sources: Bears reject trade offer for Briggs[/url]

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THANK GOD!!! This was a bad deal for us from the start. Im really looking forward to seeing what Rocky can do with some extensive playing time. Besides we are in prime position to deal down and pick up more day 1 picks if one of the top prospects slips to 6.

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Meh.

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I'm still sickened that we made the offer

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I would be astonished if we actually showed restraint and didn't end up pulling the trigger on this deal somehow. I can't think of another example of us trying to do a deal and not getting it done because we couldn't meet up on terms. We always end up bendng a little more and making the deal happen.

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Best thing the bears could've done for us! Thank you chicago... WHEW!

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I hope this is really the end....... and also the last thread?

If this is truly the end of the LB saga.....thank you LORD!

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I don't like the fact that we actively pursued Briggs, even though he would've upgraded the LB corps which I think it was fine anyway. I do like the fact that the Skins kept a hard line on the deal and didn't do what was expected of them and that was to give up everything for Briggs. They stuck with we'll give you our first rounder and you give us Briggs and your first rounder and NO you can't have anything else. Just like the Denver deals, once they asked for more then the Skins said No give us what we want and this is all that you can have.

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Isn't the off-season grand!!!

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damn it...........JK SWEET

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I really hope this is the end of it. I'd like to see them develop Rocky.

That being said, the fact that they were looking at Briggs really speaks volumes as to what they think about the 6th pick.

The Skins really want out of that pick. So much so that they were willing to trade it for a player that doesn't fill a glaring need.

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[quote=FRPLG;294150]I would be astonished if we actually showed restraint and didn't end up pulling the trigger on this deal somehow. I can't think of another example of us trying to do a deal and not getting it done because we couldn't meet up on terms. We always end up bendng a little more and making the deal happen.[/quote]


I wouldn't put too much stock in any of this nonsense. Trade up, trade down, keep the pick...no one knows what they are really thinking, and they shouldn't know until we're on the clock. Personally I think that is best.

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[quote=AlvinWalton'sNeckBrace;294149]I'm still sickened that we made the offer[/quote]

It just shows you the complete incompetence of our FO. After all the bad moves they have made why in the hell would they make this offer? You think they would have learned by now.

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Hooray for us! We finally managed to not do something blunderous.

Here's to utilizing the pick for our gain.

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[quote=Mattyk72;294163]I really hope this is the end of it. I'd like to see them develop Rocky.

That being said, the fact that they were looking at Briggs really speaks volumes as to what they think about the 6th pick.

The Skins really want out of that pick. So much so that they were willing to trade it for a player that doesn't fill a glaring need.[/quote]

Or it speaks volumes about what they think about Rocky. And for that matter Marshall too.

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[quote=skinsfan69;294174]Or it speaks volumes about what they think about Rocky. And for that matter Marshall too.[/quote]

Nah, I believe that they are high on Rocky given what they gave up for him last year, and if the Skins were so down on him they would have gladly offered him up to the Bears.

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Not to fast with the ending, the part with the deal not lost "yet". Might just be offer one doesn't work is there an option two? Pretty good chance.

I'm also, just wondering what they are thinking about with Rocky talent wise?
LM we could part ways with in my opinion, not that it's a good idea to give them anyone!

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[QUOTE=skinsfan69;294174]Or it speaks volumes about what they think about Rocky. And for that matter Marshall too.[/QUOTE]

Well I think we can all agree that Briggs is better than Rocky and Marshall and he would be an upgrade to our LB corps. I think this is just another case of our FO looking for the quick fix instead of letting their young players develop.

I really hope this is the end of it. I don't want to hear anything else about the Skins until draft day when Goodell steps up the podium and says "with the 6th pick in the NFL 2007 draft the Redskins select......".

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So now that Briggs is out of the question, I'm guessing Vinny is on the phone right now with the Browns FO trying to trade up to fill another need that isn't there. Please god, don't let that trade happen either. When will we ever learn? Anybody have anything to say that can cheer me up?

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[QUOTE=Mattyk72;294163]I really hope this is the end of it. I'd like to see them develop Rocky.

That being said, the fact that they were looking at Briggs really speaks volumes as to what they think about the 6th pick.

The Skins really want out of that pick. So much so that they were willing to trade it for a player that doesn't fill a glaring need.[/QUOTE]



I agree Matty, because while there are some players there that could help us along the DL, I'm not convinced there's anyone there they want to pay #6 money too. I think they're looking for a little more "Bang for the Buck".

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[quote=Mattyk72;294175]Nah, I believe that they are high on Rocky given what they gave up for him last year, and if the Skins were so down on him they would have gladly offered him up to the Bears.[/quote]

I think they were high on him before they drafted him. But they are not high on him now. Perhaps he makes too many mentals errors in practice which is what I think the problem is. Otherwise Holdman (who was the worst LB I have ever seen take an NFL field) would have been benched last season and this trade would have never been proposed.

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What would you guys think if the Skins came back and offered up Rocky, but asked for a 3rd round pick as well?? I doubt it will happen, but I think that would be the only way that this deal gets done.

Again, I'm totally against the trade, but if we do give up Rocy, we should at least be get a another pick to make for all picks we gave up to get him in the first place.

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[quote=Redskins_P;294191]What would you guys think if the Skins came back and offered up Rocky, but asked for a 3rd round pick as well?? I doubt it will happen, but I think that would be the only way that this deal gets done.

Again, I'm totally against the trade, but if we do give up Rocy, we should at least be get a another pick to make for all picks we gave up to get him in the first place.[/quote]

I'd say yes if it was a 2nd rounder

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[quote=skinsfan69;294174]Or it speaks volumes about what they think about Rocky. And for that matter Marshall too.[/quote]

I disagree I think Rocky and Lemar will do fine, and I also think the COACHING STAFF thinks highly of McIntosh and Marshall. I believe this really just boiled down to Snyder wanting to make another huge FA splash, he just can't resist the urge can he? So since Snyder probably has no idea about football, he probably thought Briggs would come over here and do great with us since he was so great in Chicago and unfortunatly it doesn't work that way, or we would've one the Super Bowl the last five years.

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Good!!!

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[quote=RMSkins;294197]I disagree I think Rocky and Lemar will do fine, and I also think the COACHING STAFF thinks highly of McIntosh and Marshall. I believe this really just boiled down to Snyder wanting to make another huge FA splash, he just can't resist the urge can he? So since Snyder probably has no idea about football, he probably thought Briggs would come over here and do great with us since he was so great in Chicago and unfortunatly it doesn't work that way, or we would've one the Super Bowl the last five years.[/quote]

Makes you wonder if when Snyder said Gibbs calls all the shots he was really just saying, "Gibbs calls all the shots except when my childish urge to spend a shit-ton of money on stuff I don't need just for the hell of it takes over ."

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[quote=Skinny Tee;294173]Hooray for us! We finally managed to not do something blunderous.

Here's to utilizing the pick for our gain.[/quote]

Only b/c Chicago turned us down. I hope this is over for good now.

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[quote=RMSkins;294197]I disagree I think Rocky and Lemar will do fine, and I also think the COACHING STAFF thinks highly of McIntosh and Marshall. I believe this really just boiled down to Snyder wanting to make another huge FA splash, he just can't resist the urge can he? So since Snyder probably has no idea about football, he probably thought Briggs would come over here and do great with us since he was so great in Chicago and unfortunatly it doesn't work that way, or we would've one the Super Bowl the last five years.[/quote]
Thats a stupid comment about Snyder which you have nothing to back up what you said. If Snyder was that big on this deal it would have been done but as the article said it not over with yet. Lets know what we are talking about before we bash our team, owner, coaches on something that we do not even know is true. If we find out he was behind the trade then bash all you want.

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[quote=firstdown;294213]Thats a stupid comment about Snyder which you have nothing to back up what you said. If Snyder was that big on this deal it would have been done but as the article said it not over with yet. Lets know what we are talking about before we bash our team, owner, coaches on something that we do not even know is true. If we find out he was behind the trade then bash all you want.[/quote]


Well at the meetings in Arizona the Danny did say to the media that the Skins were looking to trade for him. Obviously he wasn't against it. Whether or not it was his idea we will probably never know. But unfortunately Danny and our FO has done plenty over the past several years for us to bash.....

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I 'm glad there is alot more we can do with that pick like trade down!

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[quote=FRPLG;294150]I would be astonished if we actually showed restraint and didn't end up pulling the trigger on this deal somehow. I can't think of another example of us trying to do a deal and not getting it done because we couldn't meet up on terms. We always end up bendng a little more and making the deal happen.[/quote]I think you just said everything that I was about to post.

I could see this being a draft day deal as we get more desperate, but theres also an outside chance that Rosenhaus and the Bears work out their differences and get Briggs to sign the tender under an agreement to not tag him next year sometime between now and the draft.

This trade is hardly dead, but it's good to see the chances of it happening are going down.

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[quote=firstdown;294213]Thats a stupid comment about Snyder which you have nothing to back up what you said. If Snyder was that big on this deal it would have been done but as the article said it not over with yet. Lets know what we are talking about before we bash our team, owner, coaches on something that we do not even know is true. If we find out he was behind the trade then bash all you want.[/quote]


Snyder was behind the trade - this is how the whole thing got started when Briggs and Rosenthaul approached Snyder and Snyder said he would love to have briggs in a trade of first round picks.

Any bashing on Snyder i feel is well advised. What postive changes has he brought about since his ownership - ticket prices not going up this year (even though they went up a ridculess amount last year)?

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[quote=firstdown;294213]Thats a stupid comment about Snyder which you have nothing to back up what you said. If Snyder was that big on this deal it would have been done but as the article said it not over with yet. Lets know what we are talking about before we bash our team, owner, coaches on something that we do not even know is true. If we find out he was behind the trade then bash all you want.[/quote]

I agree to a degree, but what Danny Boy wants, doesn't mean he will always get. What Snyder does know is it's his damn football team, that's a fact! I'm quit sure he know's more than your stating, get real.

Thinking Briggs could come to DC and make a impact, is also, a pretty damn good educated guess. I'm sure he would do just fine.

Futhermore, I or anyone at this point would just be guessing as to what the coaching staff really think of Rocky or Lemar?

The thought from my view point is the need to justify bringing in a high end player, espically a Linebacker, when I think or NEEDS should be focused on the D-line. Not spending alot of cash on one player, when we can trade DOWN get more picks/players for the cash!

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[quote=Mattyk72;294163]I really hope this is the end of it. I'd like to see them develop Rocky.

That being said, the fact that they were looking at Briggs really speaks volumes as to what they think about the 6th pick.

The Skins really want out of that pick. So much so that they were willing to trade it for a player that doesn't fill a glaring need.[/quote]I can see where they are coming from. IMO, Okoye is the one guy who is good enough to represent the 6th pick and not hurt our defense with a glaring weakness. Carriker is the other guy I would want, but doesn't represent the 6th pick.

I think that Gibbs is turned off by Okoye's age because of his preference for older players, but I also feel that his fears are unwarrented. Yeah, hes 19, but he also played 4 full seasons in college. That's some simply invaluable experience.

He's mature beyond his years, and he's the true once in a lifetime player in this draft. If I was GM of the Redskins, and I had the No. 1 overall pick instead of the 6th, and I was absolutely unable to trade out of it, I would take Okoye first overall.

That said, I could see why Gibbs might pass on him. And looking past him, the value of player available at No. 6 isnt very good for what we like to do.

So if we can trade down out of the 6th pick, I'd be all for that I guess, even if it costs us Okoye (since theres no guarentee we'd draft him anyway). But I'd be much more satisfied with extra picks than with a veteran like Briggs. This team is not short on veteran leadership. We need cheap, young guys to be able to bring along slowly that will be the heart and sould of this team three years down the road.

The best possible move would be selecting Okoye at 6, but there are a bunch of other good moves. Luckily, this Briggs talk is put to rest for now, so we can explore those other options.

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Nobody wants the 6th pick. Including the Bears. We obviously made no secret about the fact we would prefer to trade down and acquire more picks. But thus far we have no takers. And the Bears have no need for any of the players worthy of the 6th pick, plus they don't want to pick up a rookie contract of that size. So they would want to trade the pick, and they have seen how hard that can be based on our inability to do so.

So in their eyes if they make the trade with us:
1) They get a pick they don't need or want
2) They lose a pick they could really use
3) They lose a pro-bowl player for a draft choice- proven player for potential - not good
4) They send a message to their players that hey, if you're not happy, this is how you get outta town and get paid.

I don't see an upside for Chicago. I don't blame them for nixing the deal.

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There has to be more to this than whats on the surface. I think that the Bears and the Redskins might be working together. First of all the Briggs trade makes Briggs look like hes in demand which would make other teams feel like the window of oppurtunity to acquire Briggs was closing. Desperate people do desperate things.

The Redskins on the other hand get to look like they are no longer pushovers by telling the Bears this is their final offer. They also get to add to their smoke and mirrors job regarding what they're going to do with the 6th pick.

Man I love conspiracy theories.

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Firstdown:

Danny Boy went to the Wash Post and crowed about how he personally had "discovered" Patrick Ramsey and that he had "made the decision to draft him first". That wasn't a rumor; Snyder was quoted in the Wash Post Sunday magazine about that.

So, there is some evidence that he does "freelance" just a bit on football matters once in a while. And if he initiated the talks on this deal as has been suggested and if he informed Gibbs of his offer AFTER he made the offer as has been suggested, then he's meddling - - AGAIN.

Oh, and Snyder can be as big on this deal as he wants to be and it still takes an agreement from the Chicago Bears to make it happen. He can stamp his feet and throw a tantrum and fire any three random people who work for him - he's done all those things in the past too by the way - and it still would not give him the "juice" to make the deal happen if the Bears' don't want it to happen.

If bashing coaches and owners and players and Front Office geniuses really makes you upset, I guess I better issue a blanket apology right now...

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WashingtonPost.com has said that we said no to the counter offer
-"The Washington Redskins' proposed trade for Chicago linebacker Lance Briggs stalled today when the team rejected the Bears' counteroffer, according to sources involved in the negotiations"
Good news b/c later on it says they asked for Rocky McIntosh
heres the link
[url]http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/04/03/AR2007040301321.html[/url]

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[quote=Bbaker24;294233]WashingtonPost.com has said that we said no to the counter offer
-"The Washington Redskins' proposed trade for Chicago linebacker Lance Briggs stalled today when the team rejected the Bears' counteroffer, according to sources involved in the negotiations"
Good news b/c later on it says they asked for Rocky McIntosh
heres the link
[url=http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/04/03/AR2007040301321.html]Briggs Trade Talks Stall - washingtonpost.com[/url][/quote]


After reading that article it appears doubtful that this will be the last Briggs thread. It says that with 25 days till the draft more talks are likely. I CAN'T WAIT UNTIL APRIL 28TH!!!

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[quote=skinsWill;294144]THANK GOD!!! This was a bad deal for us from the start. Im really looking forward to seeing what Rocky can do with some extensive playing time. Besides we are in prime position to deal down and pick up more day 1 picks if one of the top prospects slips to 6.[/quote]


agreed