The Official Warpath Sign Tim Rattay and Cut Todd Collins Thread
 

Terry Bradshaw has been very critical of NFL FO's recently because Tim Rattay is still on the market. After Jeff Garcia got signed, no QB on the market had a better year than Rattay did. Yet, he still sits cheap and unsigned on the open market.

It's hardly what I would consider a "critical move", but we should cut Todd Collins to make room for Rattay. Thinking toward the future, Brunell isn't going to be here in 2008. Neither will Collins. If we wait until next year to fill the very important role of backup QB, we are going to have to pay a premium on whoever we want to be our backup.

By signing Tim Rattay to a 3-4 year deal tomorrow and installing him as the third QB, we can get a cheap backup QB and avoid having to outbid someone on the market next year for a QB who we wouldn't be afraid to play. Collins is nothing more than a roster filler with ties to Saunders as is. Rattay SHOULD be a starting QB in this league.

As for next year, we would have 3 guys on the roster who would (should) all be starting for the Falcons. At the very least, given two preseasons, Rattay should be able to play at a moments notice at the top of his game.

Sign this guy! Cut Collins!

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What would we have to pay for him? ballpark?

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I've always liked Tim Rattay and thought he'd be a very good #2 QB and an outstanding #3. My guess is that he could be had for little more than the vet. minimum considering he's drawn so little interest.

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I say sign Patrick Ramsey.

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I would sign Ratay and cut Brunell. No need to keep a 37 year old qb coming off major shoulder surgery and 2 1/2 years of below average play. Both Collins and Ratay would be fine as back-ups.

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[quote=crawfish;295567]I would sign Ratay and cut Brunell. No need to keep a 37 year old qb coming off major shoulder surgery and 2 1/2 years of below average play. Both Collins and Ratay would be fine as back-ups.[/quote]There's no reason to keep Collins instead of Brunell. They are both old guys who won't be here after 2008. The difference is one can play and one can not.

Oh, and Brunell just restructed his deal making his cap hit even more relevant. It costs money to get rid of him this year.

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No one knows if Collins can really play or not since he has really never been given the chance. No one knew if Damon Huard could play until he got his chance last year. Lot's of guys can get the job done. Many just never get the chance.

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[quote=crawfish;295569]No one knows if Collins can really play or not since he has really never been given the chance. No one knew if Damon Huard could play until he got his chance last year. Lot's of guys can get the job done. Many just never get the chance.[/quote]

If you watched Todd Collins in last years preseason games you would know that Collins cannot play.

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I'd rather keep Collins for the emergency situation. Remember, he's the one that said it takes a year to learn this system. He may be old, but he's cheap, and he knows how to execute the Saunders offense.

Getting Rattay doesn't get us anywhere, IMO.

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[quote=crawfish;295569]No one knows if Collins can really play or not since he has really never been given the chance. No one knew if Damon Huard could play until he got his chance last year. Lot's of guys can get the job done. Many just never get the chance.[/quote]Damon Huard played really well...for half a season. That doesn't exactly make him a proven commodity.

We don't know for certain that Todd Collins sucks, but based on the few things we DO know about him, it's a reasonable assumption.

You know what you have in Brunell. High completion %, low INT, gets the ball out of his hand quickly, and consistency. Probably too old to consistently evade a rush.

We don't know if Collins is good for any of that. No reason to think he is.

Cut him and get Rattay.

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[quote=RMSkins;295570]If you watched Todd Collins in last years preseason games you would know that Collins cannot play.[/quote]

Definitely not fair to him. He was playing with a team that at the time had no clue how to execute the Saunders offense.

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Almost anyone is better then Collins. I say go for it, Rattay would be a solid #2 and an uprgade even above Brunell.

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[quote=GTripp0012;295573]Damon Huard played really well...for half a season. That doesn't exactly make him a proven commodity.

We don't know for certain that Todd Collins sucks, but based on the few things we DO know about him, it's a reasonable assumption.

You know what you have in Brunell. High completion %, low INT, gets the ball out of his hand quickly, and consistency. Probably too old to consistently evade a rush.

We don't know if Collins is good for any of that. No reason to think he is.

Cut him and get Rattay.[/quote]

GTripp, this makes no sense. You want to cut a guy who knows Saunders' offense for a guy who has no clue how to run it? Why?

You'd have to pay more for Rattay than Collins.

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[quote=RMSkins;295570]If you watched Todd Collins in last years preseason games you would know that Collins cannot play.[/quote]

None of our QB's looked good in pre season. You can't get a good read on pre season games. No one is running game plans and stuff like that.

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[quote=pdid5000;295575]Almost anyone is better then Collins. I say go for it, Rattay would be a solid #2 and an uprgade even above Brunell.[/quote]

:doh:

Why are people acting like it's that easy to just switch parts in and out on a football team? Did we learn nothing from this past debacle of a season? You bring in Tim Rattay, he's going to know nothing about our offense. And exactly how is he going to get enough reps to learn anything over the next season or so when we're concentrating on giving almost all the reps to Campbell?

Collins is not talented. But he is cheap, and he knows how to operate the offense. Rattay will cost more, and would take time to train.

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[quote=Schneed10;295572]I'd rather keep Collins for the emergency situation. Remember, he's the one that said it takes a year to learn this system. He may be old, but he's cheap, and he knows how to execute the Saunders offense.

Getting Rattay doesn't get us anywhere, IMO.[/quote]Knowing is half the battle. It's also the easy part that anyone can do.

Having the talent experience to get the work done is the other half, and that's the hard part that only a select few american individuals have ever acheieved. I believed Rattay has proven that his mind and skills are proficient at the NFL level, whereas Collins has done nothing of the sort.

I understand that it takes a year worth of experience in Saunders system to be totally comfortable, but I think that's the case in any system. Brunell and Campbell both played relatively well with less than a year of experience and total comfort in the system. It's not like there's a rule that a guy can't play if he's in his first year in this system, it just means we'll be optimistic that he will get a tad better as he gets more comfortable.

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[QUOTE=Schneed10;295576]GTripp, this makes no sense. You want to cut a guy who knows Saunders' offense for a guy who has no clue how to run it? Why?

You'd have to pay more for Rattay than Collins.[/QUOTE]

I agree that you need QBs who are familiar with and comfortable in Saunders' offense. However, I think that argument weighs in favor of signing Rattay.

Brunell and Collins are almost certainly done after this season. So it's a foregone conclusion that we are going to have to bring in someone new.....and soon. So, we might as well bring in a new #3 who will learn the offense this year and be ready to step up to #2 next season when Brunell is gone, as opposed to having a new #2 and #3 next season.

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[quote=Schneed10;295572]I'd rather keep Collins for the emergency situation. Remember, he's the one that said it takes a year to learn this system. He may be old, but he's cheap, and he knows how to execute the Saunders offense.

Getting Rattay doesn't get us anywhere, IMO.[/quote]


i agree

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[quote=GTripp0012;295568]There's no reason to keep Collins instead of Brunell. They are both old guys who won't be here after 2008. The difference is one can play and one can not.

Oh, and Brunell just restructed his deal making his cap hit even more relevant. It costs money to get rid of him this year.[/quote]

Collins has never been given the chance. We already know that Brunell can't play anymore. All he does is throw little dump off passes. Never challenges the defenses downfield. A college QB can do what Brunell did last year. Sorry but dump off passes are not Al S. offense. Brunell can not run this offense. Period. Brunell should go to a west coast offense at this point of his career. Or just retire.

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[quote=Schneed10;295576]GTripp, this makes no sense. You want to cut a guy who knows Saunders' offense for a guy who has no clue how to run it? Why?

You'd have to pay more for Rattay than Collins.[/quote]It's not hard to "know Saunders' offense." Memorize the playbook, and you know his offense.

Comfort level is another thing, and Collins probably has that. Doesn't make a lot of difference if he can't play.

I'm essentially rejecting the notion that Al Saunders' offensive philosophy is somehow mystical and tougher to understand than an average NFL offense. The human brain is capable of far more than memorizing 700 pages worth of plays. If that's part of your job, and you can't learn Saunders' offense in 3 months or less to the point where you can play proficiently, you're probably in the wrong business.

I don't think Collins is of much use to this team. He's obviously the best QB on the roster if Brunell and Campbell get hurt, and that's probably not going to happen, but Rattay is on the market now. We know we are going to be looking at the market for a backup next year. Why not make the move for a QB now while it's a GREAT value.

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Would Bradshaw be making such a big fuss about Ratatouille if they both weren't Louisiana Tech guys?

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[quote=GTripp0012;295579]Knowing is half the battle. It's also the easy part that anyone can do.

Having the talent experience to get the work done is the other half, and that's the hard part that only a select few american individuals have ever acheieved. I believed Rattay has proven that his mind and skills are proficient at the NFL level, whereas Collins has done nothing of the sort.

I understand that it takes a year worth of experience in Saunders system to be totally comfortable, but I think that's the case in any system. Brunell and Campbell both played relatively well with less than a year of experience and total comfort in the system. It's not like there's a rule that a guy can't play if he's in his first year in this system, it just means we'll be optimistic that he will get a tad better as he gets more comfortable.[/quote]

So many things wrong with this post.

1) How in the world can you say Collins hasn't proven that his mind and skills are proficient at the NFL level? The guy hasn't gotten on the field since 1997, he's had durable QBs in front of him the whole damn time. He hasn't proven anything good, and he hasn't proven anything bad. He hasn't proven anything at all.

2) Brunell played reasonably well with less than a year of experience and total comfort in the system? You call what he did "reasonably well"?? Please don't read me his QB rating. I don't care about high-completion dinks and dunks when we're 17 points behind. He couldn't threaten the deep part of the field, and defenses ate our lunch by taking away the intermediate part of the field by sitting in cover 2s. Brunell was horrible.

3) Collins' real value to the team is that he can talk to Campbell and Brunell about running the offense. He can pass knowledge along. I can see the desire to get younger at QB, but that doesn't make sense when your primary goal is to bring Campbell along first and foremost. Why would you take away a player who could be a mentor regarding the technicalities of the offense?

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[quote=crawfish;295582]Collins has never been given the chance. We already know that Brunell can't play anymore. All he does is throw little dump off passes. Never challenges the defenses downfield. A college QB can do what Brunell did last year. Sorry but dump off passes are not Al S. offense. Brunell can not run this offense. Period. Brunell should go to a west coast offense at this point of his career. Or just retire.[/quote]"A college QB can do what Brunell did last year"

That's just totally and utterly incorrect. College/Rookie QBs will not complete 63% of their passes for 6.8 yards per an attempt. It's completely unpresidented.

Watch the highlight reels from the first 9 games of last year. Sure, highlights are a poor way to accurately evaluate talent, but they prove your arguement that "all he does is throw dump passes" and "Never challenges the defense downfield" just dead wrong.

Lots of incorrectness abound here. If you think Collins should be given a chance, tell us what you've seen in him that makes you think he deserves more of a chance than any other QB in the league, particuarly Rattay.

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Let's just hope and pray that Jason Campbell does not get hurt. But if he does I think Collins can come in and do a similar job that Huard did. Everyone says Colllins can't play but did the guy ever get the chance in KC? No. So how do you realy know? No one knew if Trent Green could play until Gus lost his confidence. Then he came in and played well on a poor team. You can't judge Collins by pre season games. That's silly.

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[quote=Sheriff Gonna Getcha;295580]I agree that you need QBs who are familiar with and comfortable in Saunders' offense. However, I think that argument weighs in favor of signing Rattay.

Brunell and Collins are almost certainly done after this season. So it's a foregone conclusion that we are going to have to bring in someone new.....and soon. So, we might as well bring in a new #3 who will learn the offense this year and be ready to step up to #2 next season when Brunell is gone, as opposed to having a new #2 and #3 next season.[/quote]

Why are you assuming Collins will be gone after this season?? Please explain why that's a "foregone conclusion?"

To date, with all of our cap maneuvering, the team has kept Todd Collins on the roster despite the fact that they could cut him right this very minute and save $1.2 million in cap space. They've decided to keep him anyway, because they see value in him.

I see no reason to believe we won't consider signing him to a one-year deal next season at or near the vet minimum. All indications are that the guy is still in favor in Saunders' mind, mainly for the comfort level of having someone who knows what they're doing in an emergency.

A foregone conclusion that he's out of here? That couldn't be further from the truth.

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[quote=Schneed10;295587]So many things wrong with this post.

1) How in the world can you say Collins hasn't proven that his mind and skills are proficient at the NFL level? The guy hasn't gotten on the field since 1997, he's had durable QBs in front of him the whole damn time. He hasn't proven anything good, and he hasn't proven anything bad. He hasn't proven anything at all.

2) Brunell played reasonably well with less than a year of experience and total comfort in the system? You call what he did "reasonably well"?? Please don't read me his QB rating. I don't care about high-completion dinks and dunks when we're 17 points behind. He couldn't threaten the deep part of the field, and defenses ate our lunch by taking away the intermediate part of the field by sitting in cover 2s. Brunell was horrible.

3) Collins' real value to the team is that he can talk to Campbell and Brunell about running the offense. He can pass knowledge along. I can see the desire to get younger at QB, but that doesn't make sense when your primary goal is to bring Campbell along first and foremost. Why would you take away a player who could be a mentor regarding the technicalities of the offense?[/quote]1) I didn't say Collins had proven anything either way. As FRPLG said earlier, only a handful of guys DO have what it takes to play QB in this league. The expectation is that a majority of the 96 QBs in this league can't play. What's promising about Collins? College career? Brief playing stints? Anything?

Surprises happen, but I wouldn't put my money on Todd Collins being a hidden talent.

2) Well, I completely disagree. Because we DO have another sample to compare him to, and that's Campbells first seven starts of his career. You know as well as I do that the passing offense in Campbell's first five starts was a regression from Brunell of very sizable proportions. I didn't think he "sucked" in those starts, because I have an accurate representation of what Brunell was doing in the context of a poor team.

3) Why would we keep Collins on the roster to "pass knowledge along?" What are we paying Saunders for? Coaches coach, players play.

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[quote=GTripp0012;295585]It's not hard to "know Saunders' offense." Memorize the playbook, and you know his offense.

Comfort level is another thing, and Collins probably has that. Doesn't make a lot of difference if he can't play.

I'm essentially rejecting the notion that Al Saunders' offensive philosophy is somehow mystical and tougher to understand than an average NFL offense. The human brain is capable of far more than memorizing 700 pages worth of plays. If that's part of your job, and you can't learn Saunders' offense in 3 months or less to the point where you can play proficiently, you're probably in the wrong business.

I don't think Collins is of much use to this team. He's obviously the best QB on the roster if Brunell and Campbell get hurt, and that's probably not going to happen, but Rattay is on the market now. We know we are going to be looking at the market for a backup next year. Why not make the move for a QB now while it's a GREAT value.[/quote]

Well, we went 5-11 last year running this offense, that's the biggest indication that it takes a while to learn this offense.

I think you're absolutely crazy for insisting it's not hard to learn Saunders' offense. Memorizing plays is the easy part. The hard part is going through those progressions on the field with linemen running at you, without having to think. When you're playing well, you're not thinking, you're reacting. THAT's what takes a year to get down pat.

It's as if you learned nothing from the past season. You can't just change an offense and expect the team to pick it up seamlessly.

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[quote=SmootSmack;295586]Would Bradshaw be making such a big fuss about Ratatouille if they both weren't Louisiana Tech guys?[/quote]No, of course not. But I agree with Bradshaw, and I'm not a La. Tech guy in any way.

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Schneed,

The main reason why I think it's a virtual lock that Collins will be gone is that he's turning 36 this season and will be 37 next season. There are very few, if any, 37 yo QBs left in the league. He could buck the trend, but I doubt it.

In any event, Collins and Brunell are both retiring soon and I'd like to see a younger QB brought in.

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[quote=GTripp0012;295588]"A college QB can do what Brunell did last year"

That's just totally and utterly incorrect. College/Rookie QBs will not complete 63% of their passes for 6.8 yards per an attempt. It's completely unpresidented.

Watch the highlight reels from the first 9 games of last year. Sure, highlights are a poor way to accurately evaluate talent, but they prove your arguement that "all he does is throw dump passes" and "Never challenges the defense downfield" just dead wrong.

Lots of incorrectness abound here. If you think Collins should be given a chance, tell us what you've seen in him that makes you think he deserves more of a chance than any other QB in the league, particuarly Rattay.[/quote]

I watched the 1st 9 games and it hurt my eyes. It hurt my eyes watching Brunell be a shadow of his former self and throw for 120 yards. His stats are mostly garbage stats at the end of games and at the end of halfs. So that stat stuff your feeding me isn't the real story.

I'm not by any means dogging on Brunell. I liked him in Jack. But he just can't get it done anymore. He gets hurt too much now and it hurts his play. Father time gets us all. So this is why I think Collins should be given more of a chance. We already know what Mr. Brunell can do. Now let's see what Collins can do. That's all I'm ssaying.

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[quote=Schneed10;295593]Well, we went 5-11 last year running this offense, that's the biggest indication that it takes a while to learn this offense.

I think you're absolutely crazy for insisting it's not hard to learn Saunders' offense. Memorizing plays is the easy part. The hard part is going through those progressions on the field with linemen running at you, without having to think. When you're playing well, you're not thinking, you're reacting. THAT's what takes a year to get down pat.

It's as if you learned nothing from the past season. You can't just change an offense and expect the team to pick it up seamlessly.[/quote]C'mon Schneed. You of all people know that we went 5-11 because the defense regressed from 9 to 31. The offensive production stayed about on par with 2005.

Memorizing play is the easy part. The hard part is going though the progessions on the field. Well said. Such is the job of the NFL QB. Has Tim Rattay not been learning how to go through progressions on the field or something? Dude's not a rookie. He's a seven year vet. His production in limited time makes me think he knows a lot about making reads on the fly and reading his progressions. Al Saunders isn't the only guy who has a passing game based on reads and progressions.

I'm not suggesting we change the offense. I'm suggesting we sign Rattay and cut Collins.

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[quote=Sheriff Gonna Getcha;295595]Schneed,

The main reason why I think it's a virtual lock that Collins will be gone is that he's turning 36 this season and will be 37 next season. There are very few, if any, 37 yo QBs left in the league. He could buck the trend, but I doubt it.[/quote]

So you're looking at a number on the roster sheet, his date of birth. And you're not considering the fact that:

1) Gibbs loves veterans.
2) Saunders loves Collins.
3) They're keeping Collins on board when they could have cut him to save $1.2 million in space.
4) The coaches might have learned something this past season; that changing too much on a team (whether personnel or scheme) disrupts continuity.
5) Collins has barely played in the last 10 years and has taken zero hits. It's not like he's a beat up 37 like Brunell is.

Seems like a pretty flimsy argument: "he'll be 37, there aren't many 37 yo QBs in the league."

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[QUOTE=Schneed10;295600]Seems like a pretty flimsy argument: "he'll be 37, there aren't many 37 yo QBs in the league."[/QUOTE]

I think it's pretty safe to assume that both Brunell and Collins will retire very soon, and probably by next season's end. You think it's a dumb assumption and I don't. I guess we'll just have to disagree.

But I still think that someone who values continuity would want to get some youth at QB, considering that both backup QBs are highly likely to retire soon (whether that means after this season or the following one).

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[quote=crawfish;295597]I watched the 1st 9 games and it hurt my eyes. It hurt my eyes watching Brunell be a shadow of his former self and throw for 120 yards. His stats are mostly garbage stats at the end of games and at the end of halfs. So that stat stuff your feeding me isn't the real story.

I'm not by any means dogging on Brunell. I liked him in Jack. But he just can't get it done anymore. He gets hurt too much now and it hurts his play. Father time gets us all. So this is why I think Collins should be given more of a chance. We already know what Mr. Brunell can do. Now let's see what Collins can do. That's all I'm ssaying.[/quote]You have a good point there. Age saps his ability to heal from injuries and everyday beatings quickly. Brunell is best suited for a backup role at this point in his career.

Still if you graded him just by what he's capable of when healthy, he's one of the top 32 QBs in the league, which means someone is starting someone worse than Brunell. Of course, that's not our problem.

Don't pass off Brunells stats as garbage time without addressing the real story. It's honestly as if people think that the only team that ever plays in garbage time is us. All QBs play in garbage time. There's a certain expectation for a guy who's playing in garbage time, and if a guy exceeds it, thats a credit to him, not a knock on him.

Watch some of the highlight tapes. You may enjoy it since they don't make us relive the end of games like Minnesota and Tennessee.

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[quote=Schneed10;295600]So you're looking at a number on the roster sheet, his date of birth. And you're not considering the fact that:

1) Gibbs loves veterans.
2) Saunders loves Collins.
3) They're keeping Collins on board when they could have cut him to save $1.2 million in space.
4) The coaches might have learned something this past season; that changing too much on a team (whether personnel or scheme) disrupts continuity.
5) Collins has barely played in the last 10 years and has taken zero hits. It's not like he's a beat up 37 like Brunell is.

Seems like a pretty flimsy argument: "he'll be 37, there aren't many 37 yo QBs in the league."[/quote]I agree that its not a foregone conclusion that he will not be back in 2008, but unless something really unexpected happens in 2007, I can say that it would not be a smart move to bring him back. There are better QBs to be had (like Rattay for example).

At 37, Collins body will still heal slowly from this hits he will take, that won't be any different than the way Brunell would heal slowly. Brunell healthy is an asset. We don't know exactly what Collins healthy is exactly, but its more than reasonable to assume that it isn't much.

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[quote=GTripp0012;295599]C'mon Schneed. You of all people know that we went 5-11 because the defense regressed from 9 to 31. The offensive production stayed about on par with 2005.[/quote]

Yeah the defense is largely to blame for sure. But the offense absolutely did not stay on par. You need to stop looking at so many stats like yards per attempt and all this sabermetric crap. One number matters: POINTS.

2005 - 359 points scored, 13th in the NFL
2006 - 307 points scored, 20th in the NFL

A 15% drop in points.

Cause? Hardly any big plays.

Our yards per carry, and yards per attempt, and QB ratings, and all that crap didn't change much. Gee, effing great. What wins games in the NFL: BIG PLAYS. We didn't generate them.

I know it's been a while since we've watched football, but keep the images from the season fresh in your mind. They tell the tale a lot better than the stat sheet does.

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[quote=GTripp0012;295606]I agree that its not a foregone conclusion that he will not be back in 2008, but unless something really unexpected happens in 2007, I can say that it would not be a smart move to bring him back. There are better QBs to be had (like Rattay for example).

At 37, Collins body will still heal slowly from this hits he will take, that won't be any different than the way Brunell would heal slowly. Brunell healthy is an asset. We don't know exactly what Collins healthy is exactly, [B]but its more than reasonable to assume that it isn't much[/B].[/quote]

The bolded part makes NO SENSE at all. Is your name Al Saunders? Who cares what WE know as fans? I think you're a smart guy GTripp, but honestly, I think I'll put a little more faith in the opinion of Al Saunders.

We don't know squat about Collins because we haven't seen him play. But Saunders sees him every day in practice and in meetings.

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QB's get hurt all the time in the NFL. Look at what happened to McNabb? He got hurt running out of bounds. Garcia came in and the offense didn't miss a beat. Yes they ran more but Garcia played very well. The question is can any of our back-up QB's do that? I would open the back-up qb as a competion instead of just handing it Brunell. Let both Brunell and Collins compete for the back-up job.

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Lost in all this ridiculous (in my opinion) discussion is the fact that Rattay is not going to come at the vet minimum salary.

And we can't really afford anything higher than vet minimum this season.

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[quote=Schneed10;295610]The bolded part makes NO SENSE at all. Is your name Al Saunders? Who cares what WE know as fans? I think you're a smart guy GTripp, but honestly, I think I'll put a little more faith in the opinion of Al Saunders.

We don't know squat about Collins because we haven't seen him play. But Saunders sees him every day in practice and in meetings.[/quote]Saunders also thought that he had never seen a receiver with the kind of talent Brandon Lloyd had. Boy that worked out wonderful for us.

There's plenty of reasons he might like Todd Collins. Maybe he's just comfortable with him. We don't know why Saunders wants Collins around.

We do know that a coach liking a player as a backup is a very poor reason to expect anything from the player on the field.