Skins stuck at No. 6?
 

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[B]Skins stuck at No. 6?[/B]
[I]<Apr. 11>[/I] At the moment, the Redskins are pessimistic about their chances of trading out of the No. 6 spot, according to John Clayton. The Lance Briggs trade is pretty well dead from the Redskins' standpoint. Talks of moving up and moving down have been difficult. The Redskins may have to pick, which could put them in a position to take safety LaRon Landry of LSU. The Redskins don't appear to be thrilled with Clemson defensive end Gaines Adams as the sixth pick even though they have a need for a pass-rushing defensive end.

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The redskins are playing this pick like a fiddle.
I think that depending on who falls to them dictates what they do.
I know,, cliché.. but if say Quinn falls... they'll stand up on the table and act like a carnival barker... step right up!


I think the Redskins have made a lot of effort to mask what they really want to do.

~Bang

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Moving this to the NFL Draft forum

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[quote=SmootSmack;296760]Moving this to the NFL Draft forum[/quote]

My bad, don't get all TB Mod IV on me now. My signature is within forum regulations.

Anyway I still say that this all part of a smoke screen that the Redskins are putting up, similar to what the Patriots have done in recent years. The main difference being that the Patriots let nothing get out, The Redskins on the other hand are letting a little bit of everything get out. All in all its nice not knowing exactly what the Skins are going to do this April (a la Jason Campbell in 2005).

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eggselent

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Landry Landry Landry!

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We don't have LeCharles, we don't have LaVar, we need LaSomebody!

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[quote=TenandSix:Unacceptable;296769]We don't have LeCharles, we don't have LaVar, we need LaSomebody![/quote]


good let them stay at six draft landry since they hate adams use the remaining 4 day to picks on d lineman could find a diamond in the ruff there and sign ian scott i cant stress that enough

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[QUOTE=TenandSix:Unacceptable;296769]We don't have LeCharles, we don't have LaVar, we need LaSomebody![/QUOTE]
Lamar isn't good enough for you? Is it because the 'm' isn't capitalized or because of it's 'le' not 'la'?

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so now we must be puttin the bait out for whoever wants landry. I didn't think he would be that in demand, but he sure is generating a lot of ink.

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lemar marshall is old and slowing down.he needs to go.he couldnt even keep up with the slow tight ends last year.

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[QUOTE=freddyg12;296782]so now we must be puttin the bait out for whoever wants landry. I didn't think he would be that in demand, but he sure is generating a lot of ink.[/QUOTE]

Vikings want him at #7 don't they?

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i say go with landry, draft DE in the later rounds, cut springs at the end of the year

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You guys don't know shit about football. We need a d-lineman so bad it hurts. Taking any other position with the 6th pick would be dumb.

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[QUOTE=skins009;296808]You guys don't know shit about football. We need a d-lineman so bad it hurts. Taking any other position with the 6th pick would be dumb.[/QUOTE]

Was that first line called for, at all? No, no it wasn't

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For the record, I would agree that D-line help should be our first priority

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There is always the option of taking the best available player and then trading him outright for a player that we really want and need, maybe an additional pick as well. That way the number 6 pick still gets paid like a number 6 pick. But now we have bargaining power for a player that we want and possibly an additional pick.

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[quote=skins009;296808]You guys don't know shit about football. We need a d-lineman so bad it hurts. Taking any other position with the 6th pick would be dumb.[/quote]
well i agree to a point, but there are no amazing d-lineman worth the 6th pick.......great ballhawks are far few in between......if there was like a julius peppers there or a jason taylor no question d-lneman

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So in every one's opinion there is no DL in the draft worthy of a top 10 selection?

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[quote=skins009;296808]You guys don't know shit about football. We need a d-lineman so bad it hurts. Taking any other position with the 6th pick would be dumb.[/quote]

The problem here is Greg Blache doesn't really believe in pressure from the ends.. he'd rather bottle up the middle and pressure from other areas.
I think you're right that we need to go DL, but I think to pick one at 6 would not be necessary. Personally, I would like to trade down and go after Okoye, and if we don't go Dl, Landry.

And I do know my shit.

~Bang

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[QUOTE=angryssg;296815]So in every one's opinion there is no DL in the draft worthy of a top 10 selection?[/QUOTE]

I think, in my opinion at least, there are several good lineman but none particularly stand head and shoulders above the rest. For example DT Okoye is seen as top 10 pick, while DT Justin Harrell is seen as a bottom of the first round pick. I think the gap talent wise is much smaller than that

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Okoye is the best prospect on Dline but he needs time to further develope, Landry will start and be a force the first game of the season. Landry will also motovate Taylor to be a better player.

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[quote=BangCartoon;296818]The problem here is Greg Blache doesn't really believe in pressure from the ends.. he'd rather bottle up the middle and pressure from other areas.
I think you're right that we need to go DL, but I think to pick one at 6 would not be necessary. Personally, I would like to trade down and go after Okoye, and if we don't go Dl, Landry.

And I do know my shit.

~Bang[/quote]
i know my shit too, if we stay at 6 we need to go landry.....i would like to trade down too like to 15 and pick up jarvis moss and a second round pick

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[quote=SmootSmack;296821]I think, in my opinion at least, there are several good lineman but none particularly stand head and shoulders above the rest. For example DT Okoye is seen as top 10 pick, while DT Justin Harrell is seen as a bottom of the first round pick. I think the gap talent wise is much smaller than that[/quote]

Ok I can see where you are comming from.

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[QUOTE=goodolddb;296822]Okoye is the best prospect on Dline but he needs time to further develope, Landry will start and be a force the first game of the season. Landry will also motovate Taylor to be a better player.[/QUOTE]

Welcome to the board! Goodolddb eh? Are you Shawn Springs ;)

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[QUOTE=SmootSmack;296821]I think, in my opinion at least, there are several good lineman but none particularly stand head and shoulders above the rest. For example DT Okoye is seen as top 10 pick, while DT Justin Harrell is seen as a bottom of the first round pick. I think the gap talent wise is much smaller than that[/QUOTE]

Interesting point. I don't think that, as a [I]general [/I]matter, the talent gap between a top 10 pick and top 30 pick is that significant. IMHO the trade value chart is all out of whack. Didn't Jimmy Johnson create it? If so, that figures.

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Heres what I'd like to see. If we stay at 6 then draft Okoye. Personally I don't see him going past the Dolphins with the 9th pick so trading down with Buffalo and expecting Amobi to fall down to 12 is out of the question.

If the Falcons trade up with us to snag Landry then same situation applies (Draft Amobi). In that case we can use the 2nd round pick to either take a pass rush specilist (a la Lamar Woodley or Anthony Spencer) or one of the elite Guard prospects (a la Aaron Sears or Justin Blalcok). And in a world that doesn't exist take Merriweather if he falls all the way to 40 or 42.

If we trade down with Buffalo then we're going to have to decide between Anderson and Cariker. Personally I'm starting to like Cariker. Hes a hard worker that is also very stout against the run. In fact he reminds a little of Luis Castillo and Aaron Smith (even though both are 3-4 DE's). Oh yeah, one more thing about Cariker, not only does he make big hits, he wraps up.

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Those are all very plausible trade scenarios and ones that would work out quite nicely. If we could indeed parlay our 6th pick for Okoye and a guy like Woodley, I would be estatic. It would be nice to add two young D-linemen - aging D-line instantly solved.

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[quote=rvd420;296783]lemar marshall is old and slowing down.he needs to go.he couldnt even keep up with the slow tight ends last year.[/quote]

What? He was hurt.

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AmobiOkoyeAmobiOkoyeGoodCallBangAmobiOkoye.

Remember, just because the Redskins don't have anything on the table now doesn't mean they are smokescreening or won't have anything on the table in three weeks from now.

The "correct" move (As GTripp has decided--take it with at least a grain of salt) would be to pick Okoye at 6. To me, this is a no brainer selection. He's probably going to be one of the top 5 players drafted in the first round of this draft (along with Quinn, Thomas, Landry and Dwayne Bowe/Adams), and is going to prove a good value wherever he gets taken.

The most ideal situation would be to be able to trade down a few spots and STILL get Okoye. But the chances of being able to pull this off are rare, and the risk of the one player who could really help us being taken doesn't outweigh the reward of an extra draft pick or two.

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Bowe a top 5 pick? Really?

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[QUOTE=SmootSmack;296821]I think, in my opinion at least, there are several good lineman but none particularly stand head and shoulders above the rest. For example DT Okoye is seen as top 10 pick, while DT Justin Harrell is seen as a bottom of the first round pick. I think the gap talent wise is much smaller than that[/QUOTE]

As I said in earlier thread on this subject, I don't want to waste a #6 pick on a lineman just because we have a need, only to find out next draft we have the same need. Unless 1 of these linemen can dominate his position we should either trade down, and maybe get a merriman out of miami, and a Jarvis Moss/Carriker type. Or draft the best safety in the draft, Landry, He would make a huge difference compared to AA whom teams attacked at will. We also know that there are teams picking behind us that want him so it's great strategy to start giving him a big look, that will give us leverage to start trading down, how bout we move 2 spots and gain a 2nd rd pick from Atlanta who apparently is in love with Landry. Now that would give us some more bargaining power to trade down again perhaps with Carolina for a 3rd, and just maybe 1 more trade for a 2nd or 3rd before we start addressing several needs rather than 1.

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[quote=Sheriff Gonna Getcha;296855]Those are all very plausible trade scenarios and ones that would work out quite nicely. If we could indeed parlay our 6th pick for Okoye and a guy like Woodley, I would be estatic. It would be nice to add two young D-linemen - aging D-line instantly solved.[/quote]Absolutely. That would be the most ideal situation.

I'm not holding my breath that it happens though. If we could get Okoye, I'd be happy regardless of what else happened.

The most plausible draft option for the Skins is to draft Okoye at six. If we take Landry or Gaines Adams, it really does spell the end for Carter or Taylor respectively. Taylor might be allowed to play out his contract alongside Landry, but we aren't going to give him a new deal if we have a much better player in Landry already.

The way I see it, Carter and Taylor, although merely above average players, could be pieces we build around for the future. Okoye would be helpful talent to build around them. But Landry and Adams would be replacing some key veterans thus and prolonging the rebuilding process.

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[QUOTE=GTripp0012;296877]AmobiOkoyeAmobiOkoyeGoodCallBangAmobiOkoye.

Remember, just because the Redskins don't have anything on the table now doesn't mean they are smokescreening or won't have anything on the table in three weeks from now.

The "correct" move (As GTripp has decided--take it with at least a grain of salt) would be to pick Okoye at 6. To me, this is a no brainer selection. He's probably going to be one of the top 5 players drafted in the first round of this draft (along with Quinn, Thomas, Landry and Dwayne Bowe/Adams), and is going to prove a good value wherever he gets taken.

The most ideal situation would be to be able to trade down a few spots and STILL get Okoye. But the chances of being able to pull this off are rare, and the risk of the one player who could really help us being taken doesn't outweigh the reward of an extra draft pick or two.[/QUOTE]

I am not sold on a 6'1" tackle at the 6th spot. how much more can this grow, sounds like he's fully developed already?

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[quote=offiss;296881]As I said in earlier thread on this subject, I don't want to waste a #6 pick on a lineman just because we have a need, only to find out next draft we have the same need. Unless 1 of these linemen can dominate his position we should either trade down, and maybe get a merriman out of miami, and a Jarvis Moss/Carriker type. Or draft the best safety in the draft, Landry, He would make a huge difference compared to AA whom teams attacked at will. We also know that there are teams picking behind us that want him so it's great strategy to start giving him a big look, that will give us leverage to start trading down, how bout we move 2 spots and gain a 2nd rd pick from Atlanta who apparently is in love with Landry. Now that would give us some more bargaining power to trade down again perhaps with Carolina for a 3rd, and just maybe 1 more trade for a 2nd or 3rd before we start addressing several needs rather than 1.[/quote]Jarvis Moss and Carriker are about as far from each other in type as two ends can be. Theres a 45 LB difference between the two.

Amobi Okoye!

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[QUOTE=GTripp0012;296882]Absolutely. That would be the most ideal situation.

I'm not holding my breath that it happens though. If we could get Okoye, I'd be happy regardless of what else happened.

But Landry and Adams would be replacing some key veterans thus and prolonging the rebuilding process.[/QUOTE]

Yeah, the reason I said it was plausible is that there is a lot of talk of the Falcons pursuing Landry. Granted it's just talk and we've heard a lot of rumors lately, but it's definately one that makes sense. Atlanta needs safety help and Landry is great talent. Moreover, Atlanta has a lot of picks.

I also agree that Adams wouldn't be the best choice given Carter, but Landry wouldn't replace Taylor. I think Taylor and Landry would be a nice duo and we have no one to play opposite Taylor for the next few years.

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[quote=offiss;296884]I am not sold on a 6'1" tackle at the 6th spot. how much more can this grow, sounds like he's fully developed already?[/quote]What? Are you talking height or talent?

If you are talking height, 6' 1" seems adequate at least. Most DTs are 6' 3" or 6' 4", and although every inch helps, 6' 1" isn't exactly small. If anything, it will help him play with leverage vs. the run against bigger interior linemen.

Remember, he was dominant at the college level and his height was just as much of a factor there if not more than it will be at the professional level.

If you are talking about talent, I completely disagree. He's going to grow roughly at the same rate that ALL DT's do. The difference is he's legitmately the best DT prospect in the last few drafts as of right now, and he's going to be one of the most dominant DT's in the league in a few years. You can't ever have the maximum possible amount of experience. There's no such thing. Every player in the league, including Peyton Manning, can always improve his understanding of the game and his opponents. Okoye just has a big starting advantage over every other DL in this draft class.

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Warren Sapp is "just" 6'2". Speaking of Sapp, did anyone realize the guy had TEN sacks last season?

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[QUOTE=GTripp0012;296882]Absolutely. That would be the most ideal situation.

I'm not holding my breath that it happens though. If we could get Okoye, I'd be happy regardless of what else happened.

The most plausible draft option for the Skins is to draft Okoye at six. If we take Landry or Gaines Adams, it really does spell the end for Carter or Taylor respectively. Taylor might be allowed to play out his contract alongside Landry, but we aren't going to give him a new deal if we have a much better player in Landry already.

The way I see it, Carter and Taylor, although merely above average players, could be pieces we build around for the future. Okoye would be helpful talent to build around them. But Landry and Adams would be replacing some key veterans thus and prolonging the rebuilding process.[/QUOTE]

Gtripp, I really have to start questioning your eye for talent, first you have Bowe going in the top 5, then you have Taylor out the door because Landry is a better player if we draft him? Are you kidding? You don't draft 1 safety to replace a young all pro safety who's proven, and I would fall over if Landry turned out to be as much as equal to Taylor as a football player, if Landry is drafted it's to compliment Taylor as well as free him up to free lance a little more and allow him to ball hawk and go for the big hit, as well to provide more help for our CB's. Carter IMO was a waste, we saw last season why the 9ers tried to move him to LB, but to say it's the end of him? There is such a thing as a salary cap, good luck dumping his contract.

I would like to know what's so great about Okoye? Other than the fact that he play's D-line?

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[QUOTE=GTripp0012;296885]Jarvis Moss and Carriker are about as far from each other in type as two ends can be. Theres a 45 LB difference between the two.

Amobi Okoye![/QUOTE]

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