CBS Sportsline: Ramsey vs. Brunell
 

Patrick Ramsey vs. Mark Brunell

It would be easy to assume the job is Brunell's since the Redskins paid him a huge contract after trading to get him from Jacksonville. Although he is expected to win the job, coach Joe Gibbs has publicly declared Ramsey will have every chance to take it from him in training camp. Ramsey was a first-round pick in 2002 who had some decent moments as a rookie. He has a big arm and will someday be a heck of a starting quarterback. In Gibbs' system, which is more quarterback friendly, he should play better. Brunell is thrilled with the chance to jump-start his career after sitting for most of 2003 behind rookie Byron Leftwich with the Jaguars. Brunell said he feels as good as he has, in terms of health, since coming into the league. He still has a good arm and is actually a better all-round quarterback than the kid who ran around back in the mid-1990s. He sees the field better than he did then.

Edge: Brunell, based on experience and Gibbs' hand-picking him to be his quarterback.

Opening-day starter: Brunell. He has three or four good years left and his play will surprise those who thought he was finished.

You have gotta give the nod to Brunell. The job is pretty much his to loose. You can kind of tell that by him playing in the QB challange. On the other hand Ramsey will not like the idea of riding the pine and it should make him work that much harder to get his job back. If Ramsey wins the starting job he will be hands down the better qb and will have earned it by his hard work and dedication. Lets just hope Ramsey doesnt get lazy and accept the role of back up qb and after Brunell leaves is not what he should of been.

I'm pulling for Ramsey with all my heart. He's my favorite player, and I really think he has a chance to get ahead of Brunell. I , however really do like Brunell and wont be that dissapointed if hes the opening day starter, I think hes gonna have a hard time making it through the season though.

I really want Ramsey to win the starting job. He's a very good, young quarterback. The best of the 2002 class. Ramsey is also a better QB right now. I think Brunell is running on E and he can't take the hits anymore. If Brunell wins it Ramsey may want out and that'd be the worst thing that has happened to the Skins in years.

[QUOTE=jdlea]I really want Ramsey to win the starting job. He's a very good, young quarterback. The best of the 2002 class. Ramsey is also a better QB right now. I think Brunell is running on E and he can't take the hits anymore. If Brunell wins it Ramsey may want out and that'd be the worst thing that has happened to the Skins in years.[/QUOTE]

If brunnel wins the job then obviously Gibbs thought he was gonna help the team out more than ramsey. if ramsey gets upset about a better qb playing instead of him and wants out, then I know I for one wouldn't want that type of guy being the leader of our offense.

Brunnel is sorry, Ramsey is the man.

Let me first say I am a big Ramsey fan. He was the QB I wanted the Skins to draft over all the available QB's that year. I think he will far exceed the accomplishments of that QB class. With that said I have lived in Jacksonville, Florida since 1995 an have had the opportunity to watch Mark Brunell and the Jaguars first hand. Not only is he not running on empty, but he is one of the best QB's to ever play the game. Watching him week in and week out lead the Jaguars down the field for TD's with pinpoint passing even when the team was not very good tells me he is going to be a great Redskin. He is a quality guy and a great QB. This is the kind of tough decision you hope to have between 2 quality QB's. One is great now and one will be soon.

Good to hear from you Dana. I really like Ramsey and think he's gonna have a great future. I'll admit, at first I was against the Brunell trade because wanted the job to be Ramsey's, no questions asked. But now I'm realizing this will at least help us avoid what happened to the Falcons and Jets last year.

That being said, even when I objected to the trade I never thought Brunell couldn't play. He was pushed out in Jacksonville because of his salary and because the Jags are going in another direction with Leftwich, but not because he can't play anymore. I think we have a win-win at QB

I want Brunell to start the season and Ramsey to finish. We have two quality QBs and budding Hasselbeck. This could be one of the better QB situations in 'Skins history.

yeah, you gotta remember, vick went down last year and cost the coach his job (canning him was the wrong decision, but i digress). Last year ramsey went down, and luckily tim is a lot better than people thought he'd be, but i'd rather have brunell on the field if i had the choice. A QB injury is one of the worst things that can happen to a team, gibbs just wants to make sure one bad play doesn't cost him the year.

It is true Brunnell was having a heck of year last year before the injury, but Ramsey, I feel is special, but at this point the deck is stacked in Brunnel's favor.

When Joe Gibbs says it's an open competition you have to believe him. The media is giving Brunell the edge, rightfully so due to his experiance under pressure & his ability to think on his feet and make the right read in a crucial situation. Again I think Ramsey is a rare talent that has it all, except for experiance. All Spurrier taught him how to do is chuck & duck. Joe Gibbs will get him ready when his chance comes if he doesn't win the job in the preseason.

I don't think Gibbs is afraid to play a young smart quarterback like Ramsey and when he says the competition is open I believe him. Coach Gibbs will start the quarterback that works the hardest and plays the best because that quarterback will give the team the best chance to be successful.

chuck and duck... i like that... :D

Brunell still has 2-3 quality starting seasons left in him.

Ramsey is a talented kid with a bright future, but right now he's lacking in some key areas mainly being experience, accuracy and knowledge of the game.

Brunell is a great fit in this offense and gives the Skins the best shot at winning now.

ramsey is still probably a top 16-20 QB, i'd play him over harrington, leftwich, mcgown, palmer, manning, grossman, etc etc etc... so i'd love to see him get the experience sooner, but as long as the guy at QB is getting it done, i won't complain.

I dont think it matters to much who starts. We have both QBs so that if one gets injured we dotn lose a step. Plus, we do get to trade brunell in madden right away to try and pick up an end, lol.

That Guy, as far as your list goes, generally id support Ramsey but I really like Leftwich. Everything ive seen of this guy makes me think hes going to be a star.

On the QB Controversy..
 

I defer to HOF Coach Gibbs! It doesn't matter what I think. I agree with Matty's assessment. For a young guy, Matty has a lot of FB smarts, and he's the greatest Administrator!

[QUOTE=Mattyk72]Brunell still has 2-3 quality starting seasons left in him.

Ramsey is a talented kid with a bright future, but right now he's lacking in some key areas mainly being experience, accuracy and knowledge of the game.

Brunell is a great fit in this offense and gives the Skins the best shot at winning now.[/QUOTE]

I agree.
I really like Ramsey as our future QB and he will be great. But I think some of you guys might be jumping the gun and proclaiming him great now.
Ramsey still has some minor flaws to work out first.
For example Ramsey sometimes holds on to the ball way to long. A few of the sacks last year were his fault. Even Hasselback (who is not close to as good as Ramsey) did a better job of getting rid of the ball and not taking the sack.
Ramsey is also not very good at side stepping/avoiding the pass rush. He does not sense the pass rushers around him like for example Tom Brady.

I still think Gibbs watched the tapes of last year and realized he needed a vet to come in and run things while he teaches Ramsey to be great. That is not a knock on Ramsey. Ramsey is still very young and unexperienced. He has only started a few games and has never had a successful QB on his roster to mentor him. Now he does.
Having said all this and pissing all the Ramsey fans...Ramsey will eventually be the one to lead us to greatness, not Brunell. Brunell will serve to get us above .500 and hopefully into the playoffs next year.
Ramsey is the one with the potential to be great.

Ramsey will really benefit from sitting for a season.

Next year I think he'll push hard for the starting job and could very well steal it away, but right now Gibbs feels most comfortable with a veteran who has a proven track record and who can blame him?

Ramsey is a heck of an insurance policy though. It's likely he'll play at some point this year, when and for how long is the real question.

[QUOTE=backrow]I defer to HOF Coach Gibbs! It doesn't matter what I think. I agree with Matty's assessment. For a young guy, Matty has a lot of FB smarts, and he's the greatest Administrator![/QUOTE]
I can't argue with that backrow!

:thumb:

I would rather see Ramsey start and have Brunel as the veteran who can come in and save the season if Ramsey is injured or faulters. Brunel could ware down towards the end of the season if he starts all 16 and then we could be left with Ramsey playing down the stretch with no expierience. better to play Ramsey early and then have a fresh Brunel waiting in the wings if necessary at the end. Kind of like the Doug Williams & Jay Schrader scenario. that's how I would like to see it anyway...

by the way happy birthday, celts32!

happy birthday celts!

Thanks guys!

[QUOTE=Defensewins]I agree.
I really like Ramsey as our future QB and he will be great. But I think some of you guys might be jumping the gun and proclaiming him great now.
Ramsey still has some minor flaws to work out first.
For example Ramsey sometimes holds on to the ball way to long. A few of the sacks last year were his fault. Even Hasselback (who is not close to as good as Ramsey) did a better job of getting rid of the ball and not taking the sack.
Ramsey is also not very good at side stepping/avoiding the pass rush. He does not sense the pass rushers around him like for example Tom Brady.
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Ramsey held on too the ball too long mainly because of Spurrier's system which was based around holding it until the last possible second. The problem with that was that he got killed because of it (and lack of protection). That led to him being worse at side stepping and avoiding the rush, which he was pretty decent at the first few games. That said, yeah, having Brunell here to mentor him (not to mention Coach Gibbs) will make him that much better, regardless of who the starter is. It my take a little to get the "Spurrier-isms" out of his system, so my opinion is that Brunell will open the season, and Ramsey will finish it....and next season, the job will be Patrick's to lose....

I'm telling you guys, Ramsey is custom made for joe gibb's offense. The guy is smart, has got a cannon of an arm for the deep throws, and is tough as rocks. Not to mention is most impressive tool, he's got that arow of greatness to him. When the game is on the line Ramsey steps up. I've said it before Ramsey before it is all said and done is gonna be a super star. Not a goog qb but a super star.

Spurrier is a horrible NFL coach, no offense daseal. But he does know qbs and receiver routes. Im sure our receivers are better because of him, and i bet Ramsey did learn a lot. Now with some better play calling, and some blocking I think Gibbs wiull benefit from following Spurrier to help teach soem of these young guys.

I love Ramsey as much as anyone but I don't see him starting this year (unless Brunell gets injured or is VERY bad).

I think Gibbs knows what he's doing and wants Ramsey to learn from the sidelines a bit more. He must like what he sees in Brunell and who am I to argue?

Just hope they keep Patrick happy cuz I am really looking forward to seeing him at QB for years to come.