Carriker very good fit
 

Greg Williams loves versitle players, he loves d linemen who can play dt and de, and this is exactly what Carriker does. He is 6-6 295lb de, with those numbers he can definately play dt. He has had 16.5 sacks over the past 2 seasons, and is great against the run. With Carter as our straight pass rusher, i think carriker would be a great pick for us. If we are somehow able to trade for Jenkins, and draft Carriker (which i think is unlikely), then I think that we would have one of the better d-lines in the nfl. We'd have a good pass rushing de in Carter, a good pass rushing dt in griffin, a good run stuffer dt in jenkins, and a good run stuffer de in Carriker. It is the perfect balance. We would also have very good dt depth with Golston as 3rd and Salevea as 4th, and wed have good de depth in daniels at 3rd (and really no one else can be considered quality depth at de, but maybe we can draft someone good in the later rounds)

Edit: I dont know if Carriker is worthy of the 6th pick; I do not think that he will be a superstar, but i do think he would be a very productive asset to our team, and he is someone that I would love to have.

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Moving to NFL Draft forum

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sorry, im just so used to posting in the locker room, havnt even been to nfl draft forum yet

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I do agree he's versatile but I don't think he's worthy of being picked that high. I've read that in a 4-3 D he would probably be better suited for DT.

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I don't understand why we'd take Carriker when Okoye will be there (if we want to go DT) and when Jamaal Anderson would be there (if we want to go DE).

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I like Carriker more than Anderson. Anderson had one good year, and there are questions to whether he or the system made him stand out. If the skins can trade down to get Carriker, I agree he's a terrific fit. He is raw, but very agressive, and still produced sacks. You can't coach size. Beyond, the pure quickness of Adams, I think he is by far the best DE on the board. And, if you run a 3-4, he is the best DE on the board.

I'm glad I'm not the only one who thought trading down for this guy would be a great move. Takin him at 6 would be a reach. I see us picking him at 10 or up. If we stay at 6, we pick Okoye, Adams, or that Safety.

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I can't argue with you, your screen name is just too great. Welcome to the board!

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jamaal anderson is dropping on a lot of draft boards ive seen

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That's me... I have more than 30 years of experience with winning the hearts and minds of raging alcoholics.

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[QUOTE=Big C;297450]jamaal anderson is dropping on a lot of draft boards ive seen[/QUOTE]

I hope. I'd really love to drop down and be able to pick him up. I am not sure why he is dropping but any DE with the size he has and the year he had in the SEC has to have a lot of upside. DEs just don't go out and get 13.5 sacks in the SEC on a fluke. The guy can play.

I am loving that we have some good options for the DLine. Okoye, Anderson, Adams and Branch. I feel like they are all going to be good players even though history says at least one will be a bust.

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[url=http://www.nfldraftcountdown.com/sub/mockdraft.html]NFL Draft Countdown - 2007 NFL Mock Draft[/url]

has anderson taken at 21 and us taking carriker at 6, strangest draft ive seen. okoye at 4, russel at 3

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Carriker, and I want to be careful about saying better fit for our system, would be exactly what we are looking for on the DL.

We don't really know what Andre Carter's value is just yet. Consider him an X factor if you will.

So we don't want to draft his replacement just yet. It's too early to do so. So stay away from the smaller prospect who are only good at rushing the passer.

What we do know with absolute certainty is that we need youth at the LE position, currently being played by Daniels and Wynn, and the DT position, where Saleve'a's contract runs out and Griffin may become an again cap casulty in the near future.

So we want either Okoye or Carriker because we KNOW that we will have an opening for them in the near future. Two years from now, the best course of action may very well be to draft the best pass rushing DE as early as possible to replace good-for-nothing Carter. It's just too early to pick for a need that we don't know we have yet.

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if the draft plays out like the mock draft posted above. we might be able to trade down to a team wanting peterson. maybe the Bills or Packers they need an upgrade at RB

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Carriker has a lot of potential, but is he really worth n.6 overall? We should trade down a bit.

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Carriker is not worth a # 6, in the first round.

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[quote=skinsfan_nn;297570]Carriker is not worth a # 6, in the first round.[/quote]They said Campbell wasn't a first rounder and he's going to end up being the best QB in this division by 2008.

Unless he gets hurt, then I'm just getting ahead of myself.

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assuming we cant trade out of #6...

would u rather take a guy who might have more potential than carriker but doesnt fit our system? or would u rather reach for carriker, who fits our system. carriker, branch, and okoye would be the 3 best fits imo, followed by anderson.

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[quote=Big C;297596]assuming we cant trade out of #6...

would u rather take a guy who might have more potential than carriker but doesnt fit our system? or would u rather reach for carriker, who fits our system. carriker, branch, and okoye would be the 3 best fits imo, followed by anderson.[/quote]

I dont think okoye fits in our system very well. I think that Griffin is the pass rusher and we need a run stuffer, and at 295, Okoye is not that guy. He is very good at what he does, but as long as we have Griffin as our pass rushing dt, i dont think okoye will be a good fit to complement him.

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Jarvis Moss, Justin Harrell, Justin Blalock, and CJ Gaddis. Can we make that work :)

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[quote=BeastsoftheNFCeast;297607]I dont think okoye fits in our system very well. I think that Griffin is the pass rusher and we need a run stuffer, and at 295, Okoye is not that guy. He is very good at what he does, but as long as we have Griffin as our pass rushing dt, i dont think okoye will be a good fit to complement him.[/quote]By the time that Okoye reaches his ultimate potential, do you really think that Griffin will still be on the roster?

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i thought okoye's strength was stopping the run? hes only 19, he will add weight as he gets older
[B]
from nfldraftcountdown

Strengths:
Extremely strong...A solid athlete with good measurables...Stout against the run and is able to take on multiple blockers[/B]...Gets a good push and will collapse the pocket...Is able to shed blocks and clog up the middle...Shows great instincts for the game and is still developing...Smart player who is mature beyond his years and wants to improve...Quick and will penetrate and rush the passer...Still has a ton of potential and he could really be physically molded by a pro strength coach.

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[quote=GTripp0012;297609]By the time that Okoye reaches his ultimate potential, do you really think that Griffin will still be on the roster?[/quote]

no, but i also believe that our drafting should impact our immediate needs, if you are always looking to the future, you will never succeed in the present. If we start building for a future team, then we are just throwing this season away.

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[quote=Big C;297617]i thought okoye's strength was stopping the run? hes only 19, he will add weight as he gets older
[B]
from nfldraftcountdown

Strengths:
Extremely strong...A solid athlete with good measurables...Stout against the run and is able to take on multiple blockers[/B]...Gets a good push and will collapse the pocket...Is able to shed blocks and clog up the middle...Shows great instincts for the game and is still developing...Smart player who is mature beyond his years and wants to improve...Quick and will penetrate and rush the passer...Still has a ton of potential and he could really be physically molded by a pro strength coach.[/quote]

I guess, but it should be a while before fills out his body and adapts to it, and by then Griffin will be too old to be a pass rusher, and we will probably want him there.

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[quote=BeastsoftheNFCeast;297624]no, but i also believe that our drafting should impact our immediate needs, if you are always looking to the future, you will never succeed in the present. If we start building for a future team, then we are just throwing this season away.[/quote]How can you fill immediate needs with draft picks? A rookie is roughly 50% of the total player he will be in his prime. Even in his 2nd year, he's going to roughly be between 70 and 75% of the player he will ever be. This goes for pretty much all prospects.

It seems that a team would be much better off going to get a vet to fill immediate holes.

I mean, if you end up getting a historically great player, then playing him at 50% of what he will be wont hurt your team. But historically great players are impossible to predict, and don't occur very often.

If we had built in the past, we would be succeeding now. You can't pick a guy who is going to help the team now, you just can't. Almost certainly anyone we pick will be no better than the guy we already have at the position as a rookie. So we have to look at our future needs. We can't pass on a great player like Okoye because a guy who won't be here in two years doesn't compliment him well. See what I'm saying?

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I much rather draft Jamaal Anderson over Adam Carriker, I think Carriker fits more in a 3-4 defensive scheme.

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Actually, the more I think about it, if we end up staying at #6 I could see us drafting Jamaal Anderson. Since Carter is a lighter, speed rusher who doesn't really specialize in run-stopping, Anderson would compliment him nicely. He's 6-6 290 and ran a 4.75 at the combine. That's the size that can be very effective against the run, and that's the great speed it takes to be a good pass rusher. And from the highlights I've seen and the scouting reports I've read, he's really quick off the edge.

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[QUOTE=SmootSmack;297608]Jarvis Moss, Justin Harrell, Justin Blalock, and CJ Gaddis. Can we make that work :)[/QUOTE]


I like that Smooty, I believe that would be a nice draft for us, getting both Moss and Blalock will defiently take some keen manuvering by our front office, but I don't think they have the savvy to do so, but I like where your going with it.

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[QUOTE=Mattyk72;297432]I do agree he's versatile but I don't think he's worthy of being picked that high. I've read that in a 4-3 D he would probably be better suited for DT.[/QUOTE]

Agreed, but he looks like he may be the strongest of the defensive lineman, the benefit for taking AC would be that we could trade down and help other areas, there probably is not that much of a drop off between him and Okoye, he would fit nice on the strong side.

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[quote=skinsfan_nn;297570]Carriker is not worth a # 6, in the first round.[/quote]Carriker has character though. And that will increase his value. He's better than Daniels is now that's for sure. If Blache is happy with Golston, Griffin, and Montgomery (6'5" 300lbs), Carriker fits the bill. So does Jamaal Anderson. We need to aquire another first day selection since we do not have a lot of success scouting and/or developing late rounders so, trading down seems likely. Who's going to fall into our lap is the real question. What moves will the FO have to make to get the guy they need. Look at the position we were in last year when we seemingly almost lost out on drafting McIntosh (and they were others LBs we had rated above him). Branch, Okoye, Anderson, Adams, Harrell and Carriker are said to be future NFL stars but, which of these guys falls to 31st overall barring a trade with CHI (I used the briggs trade only because it's the likely team with a late round pick willing to trade, therefore the 'worst case scenario')?

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[quote=offiss;297791]I like that Smooty, I believe that would be a nice draft for us, getting both Moss and Blalock will defiently take some keen manuvering by our front office, but I don't think they have the savvy to do so, but I like where your going with it.[/quote]We'll have to trade down from 6th overall and trade away our next year's first rounder to get Harrell, Moss, and Blalock or any two top 10 DL (take your choice) and a top 5 OL. FO doesn't hesitate to deal away future picks. That's why we're in the position we're in. Imagine having the 6th overall pick and the 38th overall pick (which we traded) this year. Who would we be drooling over now?

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[QUOTE=EXoffender;297859]We'll have to trade down from 6th overall and trade away our next year's first rounder to get Harrell, Moss, and Blalock or any two top 10 DL (take your choice) and a top 5 OL. FO doesn't hesitate to deal away future picks. That's why we're in the position we're in. Imagine having the 6th overall pick and the 38th overall pick (which we traded) this year. Who would we be drooling over now?[/QUOTE]

I wouldn't do that, we could trade down twice in the first round and take either Blalock or Moss, then manuver those picks back into the first for the other. The other 2 players may be late first day picks, or second day picks I am not sure. But they wouldn't require a first or second rounder next year, and if they did maybe we come away with someones #1 next season while we deal down and use that. Easier said then done, but by no means out of reach with some shrewd manuvering. Although that last sentence is kind of laughable considering our draft savvy.

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[quote=offiss;297870]I wouldn't do that, we could trade down twice in the first round and take either Blalock or Moss, then manuver those picks back into the first for the other. The other 2 players may be late first day picks, or second day picks I am not sure. But they wouldn't require a first or second rounder next year, and if they did maybe we come away with someones #1 next season while we deal down and use that. Easier said then done, but by no means out of reach with some shrewd manuvering. Although that last sentence is kind of laughable considering our draft savvy.[/quote]As of right now, we have the 6th overall selection and selections in rounds that have little value. Even if we trade down once, that only warrants two first day picks. How else do we aquire three first day picks while having a shot at top tier prospects we're refering to? I hinted that we've traded away future first rounders for day one picks (Jason Campbell). Why should we rule that out? Trading down with NE is a possibility on paper (all of our points are) but, NE values the draft and that's why they're a model franchise. I'll go as far as to saying this. NE doesn't want anybody at #6 but Calvin Johnson. And if he's still available then the 'Skins will draft him.