Grade Dan Snyder
 

Alright, the local sports station has a poll asking what grade Dan Snyder deserves since taking over in July 1999.

Objectively speaking (if that's possible) what grade would you give Snyder as an owner? I guess you have to consider overall success, playoff appearances, win-loss record, general direction of the team for the future, that sort of thing.

Here's the link -- it's on the left-hand side, third question down.

[url=http://www.espnradio1310.com]ESPNRadio1310[/url]

From an 'A' to 'F', what grade does Dan Snyder get?

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You can't question the guy's commitment to trying to turn things around. He wants to win badly... has he gone about things the right way?

Definitely not.

Even without fielding a consistent winner he's brought the value of the franchise to #1 across all sports. I think he's getting close to having things figured out. Once he does he'll be dangerous.

Overall I'd give him a C. Solid effort if somewhat misguided at times.

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I give him a "C-", I guess. I really want to give him a "D" but he has done a good job maintaining fan interest despite the lack of playoff appearances. The hiring of Gibbs also pushed him out of "D" country for me.

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I think he deserves a D but I'll give him a C- because inspite of all the stupid things he does I do think he wants to win.

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I gave him an A. He does whatever his coaches ask him to do, pays coaches and players, has people in place who do an amazing job massaging our cap, and always gets coaches to coach in DC that other places want. Like or hate Spurrier, many other teams attempted to get him to come to the NFL to no avail.

Minus his Jeff George spending spree, he's been a great owner.

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I gave him a B (probably a B-), for similar reasons to Daseal except sometimes he should say no to what the coaches want

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I say B-. He had that one year back in 2000, but I agree with Daseal on all this. He pretty much does whatever is asked of him. Sure, he's had it out with coaches, but in general, the teams have just sucked. Even if JKC was here, it would have most likely been the same thing.

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I give him a C+. While he hasn't fielded a consistent winner, he has certainly made the Redskins the most valuable franchise in U.S. sports.

The lack of success on the field is not from a lack of effort but poor judgement of talent (overly optimistic expectations of production).

Believe it or not it could be worse, imagine if the Bidwills owned the Skins.

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great effort, bad execution. will do whatever it takes to win. but hasn't figured out the right formula yet

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I will have to agree with the concensus on this topic... I give him an "A" for desire and willingness... a "C-" for execution since our performance has been average to slightly below average (The Lions we are not)

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I do not know how much of a "hands-on" owner Snyder is. But I will give him his props and a grade of "A" for at least one thing.

Every single year Dan Snyder goes above and beyond and always puts the best product on the field for the fans. Always.

Most GM/Owners in the league cannot be credited with the same, that is for sure.

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I'm giving him a D because I'm grading him on his full body of work to date. If you divide his tenure into one marking period each year, the guy pretty much gets Fs for the first few marking periods. Lately I think he's done much better and deserves Bs and Cs. Overall, he's averaging out to a D for me.

- He gets an F for the ridiculous spending spree of 2000.
- He gets an F for firing Norv when we're 7-6 and in reach of the playoffs (seriously, is Terry Robiskie going to do better than Norv Turner??)
- He gets an A for hiring Marty Schottenheimer, but an F for failing to keep him.
- He gets an F for the Steve Spurrier hire. That was ridiculous.
- He gets an F for the handling of Laveraneus Coles, that was also ridiculous.

BUT...
- He gets an A+++ for luring Joe Gibbs back.
- He gets an A for learning his role on the team and taking a back seat to Gibbs on personnel decisions.
- He gets an A for generating revenues which allow him to comfortably spend on free agents.
- He gets an A for willingness to pay free agents, I'd hate to have a cheap ass owner.
- And he and Schaffer get an A for salary cap management.

Going forward I think he'll be a solid owner because he's learned from his mistakes. But those mistakes earn him a D, based on what he's done to date.

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[quote=sandtrapjack;298942]Every single year Dan Snyder goes above and beyond and always puts the best product on the field for the fans. Always.[/quote]

:lol:

He gets a D in my book, and the only thing keeping him from getting an F is the fact that I think he does want the Redskins to win. Although I think his reasoning for wanting them to be successful on the field is so he can put more asses in seats and sell more merchandise.

If we were grading the Redskins organization as a business, I'd give him an A since he's turned a perennially mediocre franchise into a billion dollar operation, but as a football operation he's failed, at least until this point. I'm sure even Snyder would agree that all the good intentions in the world don't mean dick when you can't produce a winner.

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A for effort, no other owner wants to win as badly as Danny Boy, and he sure doesn't mind opening up that wallet.

B for results at this point, mainly for bringing Joe back and the 05 results, he gets the higher overall grade.

However, I think after this year and a superbowl victory he will recieve an A+ on his next report card!

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C+

I think his overall performance is average. There are areas where he's the best in the league (i.e.: revenues and willingness to spend). However, there are also areas where he is not (i.e.: meddling and impulsive decisions). I think about half of the league's owners are better, and the other half are worse.

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He gets a D from me because of he's not patient or willing to let a team develop on both the player or coaches end.

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I give him a C cause in a nutshell there are 2 aspects to ownership: $ & winning. The 2 are related so that you can't entirely separate them, but for the sake of this thread I will.
$ - A
Winning - D

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Intentions aside, I'll say a D.

It boils down to a very simple formula: Wins and Losses.

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Anyone who gives this chump anything but an F obviously doesn't give a rats ass about winning. He's playing fantasy football with the Redskins, and the best thing for this team would be for him to go far far away. Or hire a GM. Which he won't. Buh Bye.

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:doh:

Here we go with the GM talk again. If you rate Snyder an F, what do you rate Joe Gibbs?

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There are some people who will always think it's still 2000 and that if only we had someone with the title General Manager making decisions it would be all ok. When some other team doesn't re-sign a player or shells out big money for a free agent it's ok so long as a "General Manager" was behind it. When the Redskins do the EXACT SAME THING, it's the beginning of the apocalypse.

It is what it is. I hope Snyder leaves as well, and we get some multimillionaire who sits on his ass and doesn't try (rightly or wrongly) to push the envelope and find ways to improve the team. I would love an apathetic owner who maybe names his son General Manager. Then maybe everyone will be thrilled

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All things considered (team record, total cost of going to games, decision making, dealing away countless draft picks, etc) I had to give ole Johnny Rocket a big fat D.

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No matter what his faults or strengths, the guy's heart is in the right place. But his hands are too far in his fan bases pockets, and he looked me (well the camera) right in the eye at the Marty Schottenheimer press conference and said this was his stamp on the Skins. And then he fires Marty after one year to go get Spurrier. Sometimes I think he's smart enough to figure this out, but there are moments, like the $10 million Tom Cruise development deal, that cause me to question his sanity.

Up til he brought Gibbs back he was a definite F-, especially considering the playoff drought since he "put his stamp on the Skins." But his overall tenure has produced a whopping 2 playoff wins now. D-, but a real high D-, a 61.

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[QUOTE=TheMalcolmConnection;298995]:doh:

Here we go with the GM talk again. If you rate Snyder an F, what do you rate Joe Gibbs?[/QUOTE]

As a coach, D. Poor time management skills, awful challenges, almost no player development, and a philosophy that has changed every year (which might be from the owner's influence).

As president, D-. Free agency to build a team does spend the Danny's money, but it has resulted in a fractured locker room with no discernible leadership and no accountability on the field because everyone has been rewarded for deeds done elsewhere. At least Bobby Beathard traded his first round picks for more picks. Make it an F+, but rising.

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I'm going to give Mr. Snyder a-C-because I believe his intentions are good coupled with a burning desire to "WIN". His sense of direction for the teams future seems at times somewhat misguided, but after he's in the business long enough to figure out the right way, he'll eventually reap the benefits of his efforts.

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[quote=memphisskin;299015]As a coach, D. Poor time management skills, awful challenges, almost no player development, and a philosophy that has changed every year (which might be from the owner's influence).

As president, D-. Free agency to build a team does spend the Danny's money, but it has resulted in a fractured locker room with no discernible leadership and no accountability on the field because everyone has been rewarded for deeds done elsewhere. At least Bobby Beathard traded his first round picks for more picks. Make it an F+, but rising.[/quote]


Gibbs definitely gets a D in my book. But don't we currently have, what, ten threads on this timely debate?

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grade Mr Snyder...

I give the man an A+ for trying to put a winning team on the field and turning this franchise into the richest in sports.

I have to give him a C in how he is attempting to do so. He has moved up from an F to a C the past few years. Giving Joe the power has worked to an certain extent. But, I think he may have given Joe and the coaches a little too much authority on player personel. But, looking at the other option, Dan and Vinny, I guess I would take Joe and Co. picking the players.

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The grades are a bit higher than I expected from many people here.

They seem to be adjusted upward for his "good intentions".

Would George W. Bush get a higher grade because his 'heart was in the right place'? Or don't you ultimately have to judge the final results?

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This is a topic that redskin fans cant be overly optimistic about just because Snyder owns the team. For every good move that has been made during his ownership their has been three or four terrible moves. Drafting Samuels, Taylor, Cooley were all good moves. Trading up to get mccintosh, trading draft picks to denver for Campbell are stiil yet to be determined. The free agent signings have been ridiculous. Snyders first year we went out and got every over the hill veteren we could find, deion sanders, bruce smith, jeff george all bad moves. We also grossly overpaid for Archuleta, Carter, Jeremiah Trotter,and countless others. Marcus Washington and Randy Thomas are basically the only really good additions to the team VIA free agency. The rest have been overpriced marginal players. More importantly most of our free agent signings are not with the team after three years. We traded picks away for nothing, the duckett deal and trading for Brandon Llyod. We shouldnt be so quick to deal our picks and overpay in freeagency. Overall I give Snyder at best a D+. This team needs an identity and direction.

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[quote=Beemnseven;298924]Alright, the local sports station has a poll asking what grade Dan Snyder deserves since taking over in July 1999.

Objectively speaking (if that's possible) what grade would you give Snyder as an owner? I guess you have to consider overall success, playoff appearances, win-loss record, general direction of the team for the future, that sort of thing.

Here's the link -- it's on the left-hand side, third question down.

[URL="http://www.espnradio1310.com"]ESPNRadio1310[/URL]

From an 'A' to 'F', what grade does Dan Snyder get?[/quote]

You forgot to put in F-. If you put that in I would cast my vote as F-.
He is the one of the worst owners in sports. Who cares if he wants to win. The question is does he know how to win?

1. How do you fire Norv with a 7-6 record? Fire the guy after the season, not during. AWFUL!
2. 2000 speding spree was a complete joke.
3. Ran off Brad Johnson for Jeff George. AWFUL!
4. Fired Marty after he had the team on the right track. AWFUL!
5. Hired OBC who was a joke of an NFL coach. Why wouldn't you hire Marvin Lewis? Complete stupidity.
6. Charging fans for training camp. Would JKC ever do this? Hell no.
7. Not bringing in a GM. If Danny Boi really wanted to win as badly as we all know he does then he would bring in someone who knows how to do it. Why is Floyd Reese still working for ESPN? Who cares if it pisses off Gibbs. Too bad.
8. Why does he keep Vinny around? No reason to do so. WTF has Vinny done since he has been here? Oh yeah. He brought in Trung Canidate and let go of Steven Davis. Simply pathetic.

There is so much more but no need to even bring it up. He sucks as an owner. Period.

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[quote=12thMan;298985]Intentions aside, I'll say a D.

It boils down to a very simple formula: Wins and Losses.[/quote]

You are so right. I don't count 99 because Casserly built that team. Snyder had nothing to do with 99. So 2000-2006, that's 7 NFL seasons, we have made the playoffs one time. Enough said.

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[QUOTE=12thMan;299039]Gibbs definitely gets a D in my book. But don't we currently have, what, ten threads on this timely debate?[/QUOTE]

You are right my friend, I fell for TMC's bait and switch. Touche' TMC, you win this time...:benched:

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HA. No bait and switch, I just feel VERY, VERY opinionated as does SS about the subject of GM. I'm sure SS of all people remember this Simpsons episode, but does anyone else remember when Mr. Burns has a finch as the official "owner" of the plant? Maybe that's an idea for our GM.

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[quote=Beemnseven;299043]The grades are a bit higher than I expected from many people here.

They seem to be adjusted upward for his "good intentions".

Would George W. Bush get a higher grade because his 'heart was in the right place'? Or don't you ultimately have to judge the final results?[/quote]

That's assuming W's heart was in the right place which is a huge assumption if you ask me. But that's a debate for another thread.

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[quote=Beemnseven;299043]The grades are a bit higher than I expected from many people here.

They seem to be adjusted upward for his "good intentions".

Would George W. Bush get a higher grade because his 'heart was in the right place'? Or don't you ultimately have to judge the final results?[/quote]

Ditto. Who cares about good intentions when the result of those intentions has been hot garbage for the majority of Snyders' tenure as owner?

And I think some people are misinterpreting his "burning desire to win". While I do think Snyder would blow his wad if Washington won the Superbowl, I think it would be because he would be able to sell several thousand more Portis jerseys, Redskins championship hats, and buckets of Popeye's Chicken(one of two official chickens of the Washington Redskins). The actual Superbowl victory, and what it means to the team, coaching staff, and fans would be an after thought.

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[quote=Southpaw;299069]Ditto. Who cares about good intentions when the result of those intentions has been hot garbage for the majority of Snyders' tenure as owner?

And I think some people are misinterpreting his "burning desire to win". While I do think Snyder would blow his wad if Washington won the Superbowl, I think it would be because he would be able to sell several thousand more Portis jerseys, Redskins championship hats, and buckets of Popeye's Chicken(one of two official chickens of the Washington Redskins). The actual Superbowl victory, and what it means to the team, coaching staff, and fans would be an after thought.[/quote]

There are plenty of profitable ventures out there other than owning a football team. I think Snyder would want to win a Super Bowl for many reasons, money is probably on the list somewhere but mainly I think he'd love to rub the media's nose in it. Also, the guy did grow up a serious Skins fan, so I'd imagine the dream of being the owner of your favorite team when they win a Super Bowl is still very much alive.

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The problem is that Sndyer is a huge fan, has been all his life. And it took him a few years to realize he can't act like a fan. He has to act as the owner first. So when people on this board bitch and moan about how did we lose that preseason game or how are we 5-6, he can't do the same. He has to step back and say "OK, big picture what's the situation here" And he's gotten much better, with considerable help from Gibbs, at doing that.

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Well it depends if you are grading for effort or performance. For performance it is D. Only think keeping it from F is Gibbs. Doesnt matter how hard he tried in the end it is responsibility as an owner to understand how to make a winning franchise and he obviously hasn't.

His heart has been in the right place though.

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[QUOTE=TheMalcolmConnection;299059]HA. No bait and switch, I just feel VERY, VERY opinionated as does SS about the subject of GM. I'm sure SS of all people remember this Simpsons episode, but does anyone else remember when Mr. Burns has a finch as the official "owner" of the plant? Maybe that's an idea for our GM.[/QUOTE]Dude! It was a canary, not a finch! Christ, don't you remember?
He said the "C" in C.M. Burns stands for [I]Canary[/I] M. Burns. Then he proceeds to peak at the little mirror for a minute.


Now if you'll excuse me, I have to go finish applying my Clearasil and braces rubberbands.

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Dammit. I feel...so...ashamed. :(

F'ed in the A.